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1 hour ago, tin said:

If SL genuinely believes DH is the man to get us into the top six it confirms three things - he is more deluded than I previously thought, he has no regard for fans’ opinions on the way forward, and he still calls the shots (if anyone was in any doubt).

I’m happy to eat humble pie and hope DH proves me wrong, but that’s what I took away from watching that interview. 

Imagine a multi millionaire business man and football club owner making decisions based on fans opinions! 🤦‍♂️

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1 minute ago, chinapig said:

You may be right but that leads me to return to my question as to what the clear vision is that apparently clinched the job for Dean and why nobody is asking what it is.

Companies that claim to have a vision tend to publish it. Though it must be said it often turns out to be a load of platitudes expressed in corporate speak so perhaps we are better off not knowing.

I agree there, I'd have liked to have heard a bit more detail from DH about what he saw going wrong last season and how he intends to improve it, particularly with what looks like almost the same squad

 

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2 minutes ago, chinapig said:

You may be right but that leads me to return to my question as to what the clear vision is that apparently clinched the job for Dean and why nobody is asking what it is.

Companies that claim to have a vision tend to publish it. Though it must be said it often turns out to be a load of platitudes expressed in corporate speak so perhaps we are better off not knowing.

And whatever that "vision" happens to be, if the club published it there are some who would get instantly and irrationally angered by it - which is a bit weird imo.

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4 hours ago, Robbored said:

I thought the questions were piss poor so maybe the bloke asking them was given a script in advance.

SL came over well as he always does. 

Have to agree....I found  the queations to be  insipid and in the main valueless?   Just a PR exercise really?

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7 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

You think Jon Lansdown is hopeless because of how he struggles to talk in public?

When Keith Dawe was Chairman he said it was not his job to communicate with fans. He was right to the extent that it's a non -executive role and it's the Executives who are responsible for the communication.

Perhaps JL should stay in the background and stick to Twitter? If he wants to be in the foreground though he needs to improve his communication skills.

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10 minutes ago, chinapig said:

You may be right but that leads me to return to my question as to what the clear vision is that apparently clinched the job for Dean and why nobody is asking what it is.

Companies that claim to have a vision tend to publish it. Though it must be said it often turns out to be a load of platitudes expressed in corporate speak so perhaps we are better off not knowing.

It’s 2020 vision . 
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2 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Have to agree....I found  the queations to be  insipid and in the main valueless?   Waste of time really?

It would make perfect sense for SL to have been given notice of the questions in advance so that he could frame his answers in a cogent manner. I thought it was professional and informative.  Of course there are those who will never see the sense in his answers because he is someone who knows the facts behind the decisions and has not been motivated by the fictions believed by some on here. I think his facts trump the feelings of those who only grumble and see fault.

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6 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

It would make perfect sense for SL to have been given notice of the questions in advance so that he could frame his answers in a cogent manner. I thought it was professional and informative.  Of course there are those who will never see the sense in his answers because he is someone who knows the facts behind the decisions and has not been motivated by the fictions believed by some on here. I think his facts trump the feelings of those who only grumble and see fault.

Good on Steve for coming on and going through the motions, I have no truck with SL, I think he is a good bloke, and the clubs saviour in many ways.  If he didn't come on, fans would moan that there is a lack of communication, a fact that he did allude to.  However it is basically a  PR exercise, from which I learnt more or less nothing........hence my comment on it being insipid, which it was IMHO.

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1 minute ago, chinapig said:

When Keith Dawe was Chairman he said it was not his job to communicate with fans. He was right to the extent that it's a non -executive role and it's the Executives who are responsible for the communication.

Perhaps JL should stay in the background and stick to Twitter? If he wants to be in the foreground though he needs to improve his communication skills.

Well this thread has just shown that some fans really will try and find anything to moan about.

Chairman clearly has a stutter or some kind of speech disorder and some fans quite amazingly have a problem with that.

Unbelievable 😂

 

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5 hours ago, Simon bristol said:

Just finished watching this on the clubs facebook channel,, very honest as ever, at least dean wasnt described as human!

Me too. SL was clear and unwavering throughout, he absolutely knows what he wants to achieve, has a clear sense of how to do it and even if it isn’t always aligned with what/how fans think, I for one am delighted we have SL at the helm. 

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1 minute ago, maxjak said:

Good on Steve for coming on and going through the motions, I have no truck with SL, I think he is a good bloke, and the clubs saviour in many ways.  If he didn't come on, fans would moan that there is a lack of communication, a fact that he did allude to.  However it is basically a  PR exercise, from which I learnt more or less nothing........hence my comment on it being insipid, which it was IMHO.

I believe that his answers confirmed what many thought and what was pretty obvious from what has transpired.  It would have been surprising if he had announced some earth shattering new information.  Our club is in very safe and responsible hands.

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1 minute ago, Bat Fastard said:

It would make perfect sense for SL to have been given notice of the questions in advance so that he could frame his answers in a cogent manner. I thought it was professional and informative.  Of course there are those who will never see the sense in his answers because he is someone who knows the facts behind the decisions and has not been motivated by the fictions believed by some on here. I think his facts trump the feelings of those who only grumble and see fault.

It should be perfectly possible to put those facts in the public domain without breaching confidentiality. We are not talking about a listed company that has to consider market sensitivity after all.

You can talk about the relevant factors like fit with the club's strategy and legitimate financial considerations without risking anything. You will never satisfy everybody but a degree of transparency can go a long way.

For many the issue is not the final decision but the quality of the communication.

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14 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Have to agree....I found  the queations to be  insipid and in the main valueless?   Just a PR exercise really?

Of course it was....hosted by the club, it was never gonna be anything else.  I’m not sure why people were expecting it to be a Twentyman type interview (like he did with MA).

8 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

It would make perfect sense for SL to have been given notice of the questions in advance so that he could frame his answers in a cogent manner. I thought it was professional and informative.  Of course there are those who will never see the sense in his answers because he is someone who knows the facts behind the decisions and has not been motivated by the fictions believed by some on here. I think his facts trump the feelings of those who only grumble and see fault.

It was professional.  Again nothing unexpected by that.  There wasn’t any “new news” though was there?

It was “nice”, twee.

More important will be when they announce the season card offering.  

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4 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Well this thread has just shown that some fans really will try and find anything to moan about.

Chairman clearly has a stutter or some kind of speech disorder and some fans quite amazingly have a problem with that.

Unbelievable 😂

 

In those circumstances he should not be put in that position. It is not, as I say, his job.

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5 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Well this thread has just shown that some fans really will try and find anything to moan about.

Chairman clearly has a stutter or some kind of speech disorder and some fans quite amazingly have a problem with that.

Unbelievable 😂

 

Does He?  Can’t say I’ve noticed anything.  Has anyone suggested that on here?  I haven’t read every post in depth.

I just think he lacks confidence in speaking on football matters.  He’s a fan at heart, and Chairman by birthright.  That’s not a criticism, it’s his route into the position he holds.

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2 minutes ago, chinapig said:

It should be perfectly possible to put those facts in the public domain without breaching confidentiality. We are not talking about a listed company that has to consider market sensitivity after all.

You can talk about the relevant factors like fit with the club's strategy and legitimate financial considerations without risking anything. You will never satisfy everybody but a degree of transparency can go a long way.

For many the issue is not the final decision but the quality of the communication.

The conversations with candidates would have to be confidential for very obvious reasons. The club acted in a reasonable, measured and responsible fashion.  Some on here are not reasonable, measured and responsible - hence the vitriol.

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I think we are extremely fortunate to have an owner in Steve Lansdown.

That said the majority of fans are sceptical that we have missed a real opportunity to make a real impact. Being sceptical also means being less tolerant when things go awry.

He was never going to come out and say we bulked at how much an experienced head coach would cost so we took the inexperienced option and hope for the best.

It's a real dilemma for fans. Here is a bloke in Deano who comes across as being a really nice bloke but who could be out of his depth very quickly.

The difference between Deano and Lee Johnson is that despite MA and the board making the decisions collectively with the head coach, when something went wrong it was Lee Johnson who got the flak. If and when it goes wrong this time I think fans will start to question MA.

 

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4 hours ago, Fordy62 said:

I turned it off at “I went on talksport, I said what I said and I believe we’ve got it.” 

I think we’re very lucky to have SL, but that’s utter horse shit. This is an extreme gamble and not at all what he described we were looking for. I need to hear no further. He’s defending the indefensible. 

I watched the whole thing but agree with your sentiment.

I actually thought the guy who was asking the questions (presumably that is Dave Barton?) did a decent job, clearly he is no Geoff Twentyman, but he did at least ask him some fairly tough questions.

I am also very grateful for SL’s investment but cannot follow his logic here at all & this stuff about Simpson & Dowling “having promotion experience & PL experience” is certainly stretching a point at best, as their only experience of promotion as a manager between them is at L2 level and one of them playing in the The Prem in its’ first few years really isn’t relevant here at all.

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21 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

It would make perfect sense for SL to have been given notice of the questions in advance so that he could frame his answers in a cogent manner. I thought it was professional and informative.  Of course there are those who will never see the sense in his answers because he is someone who knows the facts behind the decisions and has not been motivated by the fictions believed by some on here. I think his facts trump the feelings of those who only grumble and see fault.

Ok Steve,

I'll listen out for more of your bullshit on talkshite

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Just now, Davefevs said:

Does He?  Can’t say I’ve noticed anything.  Has anyone suggested that on here?  I haven’t read every post in depth.

I just think he lacks confidence in speaking on football matters.  He’s a fan at heart, and Chairman by birthright.  That’s not a criticism, it’s his route into the position he holds.

It may be down to confidence but it has been suggested on here not so long ago (can't remember who) that its some sort of voice disorder - can't remember the condition. 

Anyway, confidence or condition, it shouldn't be used as a stick to beat him with - thats just pathetic.

 

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1 minute ago, chinapig said:

In those circumstances he should not be put in that position. It is not, as I say, his job.

Probably very bravely is giving it a go for when he is owner one day. Someone calling him 'hopeless' and how they 'cringe' - shocking that.

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Does He?  Can’t say I’ve noticed anything.  Has anyone suggested that on here?  I haven’t read every post in depth.

I just think he lacks confidence in speaking on football matters.  He’s a fan at heart, and Chairman by birthright.  That’s not a criticism, it’s his route into the position he holds.

I would say he has a stutter yes.

But if he's got a stutter, anxiety, fear of public speaking. Whatever it is, why would any fan have a problem with it. Why on earth would it matter.

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15 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

The conversations with candidates would have to be confidential for very obvious reasons. The club acted in a reasonable, measured and responsible fashion.  Some on here are not reasonable, measured and responsible - hence the vitriol.

I thought I made the confidentiality point clear. I did not suggest we reveal the contents of any conversations, I suggested it is perfectly possible to talk about the factors involved in the recruitment process and mentioned a couple of examples.

Seems reasonable and measured to me.

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Loaded questions, script provided prior to Interview, but that's the norm nowadays. Dont judge him badly for that.

He's not going to walk into a minefield and add more pressure to the DH appointment

Its simple, if we get top six, or at least improve on last year, we'd have to agree it was a good gamble...

If we don't, then clearly this is another flawed appointment from within. 

Let's get behind DH and give him every chance of success.

I for one, don't want SL to be wrong. Id happily say I was an idiot throwing my toys out.

Aside from the fatigue comment, I've liked the vibe from DH and the set up in general.

Time will tell, but I'm expecting us to get off to a flyer with wins against Exeter and Cov

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26 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

It may be down to confidence but it has been suggested on here not so long ago (can't remember who) that its some sort of voice disorder - can't remember the condition. 

Anyway, confidence or condition, it shouldn't be used as a stick to beat him with - thats just pathetic.

 

Never heard that.

Agree though.

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37 minutes ago, Matthew me said:

Loaded questions, script provided prior to Interview, but that's the norm nowadays. Dont judge him badly for that.

He's not going to walk into a minefield and add more pressure to the DH appointment

Its simple, if we get top six, or at least improve on last year, we'd have to agree it was a good gamble...

If we don't, then clearly this is another flawed appointment from within. 

Let's get behind DH and give him every chance of success.

I for one, don't want SL to be wrong. Id happily say I was an idiot throwing my toys out.

Aside from the fatigue comment, I've liked the vibe from DH and the set up in general.

Time will tell, but I'm expecting us to get off to a flyer with wins against Exeter and Cov

It’ll certainly be very interesting on here if there’s anything less than two wins in the first two games.  Couldn’t ask for a kinder two fixtures really.  

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