Season Card / Streaming update

[phantom]

1 minute ago, BTRFTG said:

If I have to be in my seat 90mins pre kick-off or wait 90 minutes to leave, what's the likelihood I'll do so?

We know that some people are in the ground as soon as the turnstiles open.

If Twickenham is aiming to get 20,000 in, I'm sure we can manage our numbers

I'd imagine the club may issue hard copy tickets for people to come into the ground.

That way queues will fly in without people scanning etc, I appreciate what you say about 2012, but there are ways to make this work, and of course like many things in our day to day lives, it will mean doing things differently in the short term

[eardun]

20 minutes ago, phantom said:

I am intrigued why someone wouldn't want to return if they were given the opportunity?

One example might be a fan who is elderly/with a health condition who normally relies on a lengthy public transport journey to get to matches. So while you may be able to be reassured that the stadium is safe, you might be more uneasy about the journey. 

[chowie]

Someone on Twitter asking “but what about the free U12 shirt” so expects all money back and a free shirt and to top it off asking if the club can post it

[View from the Dolman]

5 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I haven’t scrolled thru the entire thread but I’m assuming that free access to Robins TV for home and away games is not an option as it was previously but is available at a tenner a game?

I wouldn't trust anything on here. It's just a form of social media. Perhaps check the official site...?

[lager loud]

19 minutes ago, phantom said:

I am intrigued why someone wouldn't want to return if they were given the opportunity?

 

1. Because it might well not be the experience I’ve paid for. Being required to turn up even an hour before kick-off and kill time until the game starts  does not appeal to me. Even if the people I sit with are allowed in, if I’m three or four seats away from them I won’t be able to interact with them as I do at most games. Because I haven’t paid to watch from the front row of the Atyeo or in the rain at the front of the Dolman, which might be my only choice.

2. Because I don’t want to use public transport (I haven’t since before the lockdown).

3. Because the fact that more things are permitted doesn’t mean the risk has gone away, just that it can be kept at an acceptable  level (for healthcare provision and number of deaths) with more interactions than would have been prudent when there were more cases. I’m not particularly vulnerable but am reasonably close to someone who is, and feel I should ‘manage’ the unnecessary risks I take. Every interaction with someone else increases the risk of catching the disease and passing it on. I can’t, practically, reduce that risk to zero, but I might not choose to spend part of my risk budget on going to football.

[WayOutWest]

I think its a great idea to give Season Ticket holders a code for fixtures selected for sky and therefore will not be broadcast on Robins TV.

If only that could be extended to other international countries.  DAZN has the broadcast rights for the EFL here in Canada.  They often chose not to broadcast our game on their platform.  Even though I have paid full price for Robins TV and DAZN, often I have to miss games.

Small gripe.

[phantom]

10 minutes ago, Dynamite Red said:

The reason is because I live with someone who is in the high risk category, I would not want to risk taking a bus four times (only form of transport) back and forth to Ashton Gate then attend an event with thousands of people.

Why would I want to put a loved one at risk for the sake of a football game? I like many paid up before we fully knew how this pandemic would develop. Not a criticism but I hope you now understand why some do not feel comfortable returning under the current situation.

I really don't want to come across as not understanding or being insensitive, it's hard to write in the correct tone

I was identified as being in that high risk category too back in March, but there is no such thing as a high risk category anymore, that all stopped at the start of August.

I appreciate that you don't want to take the risk of getting the four buses, and realise why. But if you wear a face covering you will be fine and able to travel to a game.

I've worked on getting offices reopened for Medical assessments through my work, and also in my personal life to get a social club reopened, and I have read and spoken to many people with similar reservations as yours. All I can add, on a Monday afternoon in our social club we regularly host 40+ pensioners who use our club for a weekly get together. They had originally said they wouldn't feel comfortable about getting the bus and then sitting around people.

So we arranged for someone to go and meet them (an elderly couple) and walked with them to the bus etc, sat near them on the bus and brought them to the club. Showed them around and once they witnessed how safe it was on public transport and using the new socially distanced seating in our club they are now restarting this club on Monday as they fed back it honestly isn't as bad in reality as it seems.

I know everyone is different, but I would honestly say once you have done it once you will be happier.

[BTRFTG]

4 minutes ago, phantom said:

I find replies like this staggering

The EFL and Sky only agreed to any coverage last week, the Premier league are losing coverage to their season ticket holders so you must accept that there will be holes in the statement.

We know midweek away games will be available, but why do you need to know what it is today? Give the EFL / Sky etc chance to agree on how this package will work.

We will need to become account holders for opposition clubs for this to work, so very obvious why details are yet to be announced on how this works

The reduced capacity you mention isn't set in stone yet, Bristol Rugby stated they had applied to hold a test event up to 9,000 people, but had already announced their season cards would only be sold up to a maximum of 7,000.

Bristol Sport announced with 2m distancing we could get 5,000 in for football. But at 1m distancing could get up to 11,000 people in. That is why there is nothing more definate yet. Government guidelines are changing almost daily at the moment, so it makes sense for the club to err on the side of caution without making any statements about anticipated numbers returning.

It is obvious that we won't all be sitting in our usual seats, as common sense will explain why that won't happen. See my point above about how friends that follow Premier League teams have been asked to approach this.

Test events start at 15% of capacity, then the next three games are at 30% of capacity at present

But Twickenham are looking at holding 20,000 for an England Vs Barbarians match in a few weeks time so maybe number could be as much as 25% of capacity?

So why isn't any if this detail hinted at in the message I've received from City ( couldn't give a flying about Bristol Sport and I don't follow any if their feeds.) If it's 5k fans what's that, somewhere between 1:4 or 1:3? How's that going to be allocated? If my son can go but I can't, how's he supposed to get to AG from London? Does his ticket go begging or will we have to bid and confirm attendance each time? How far ahead will that be for those who have other considerations? For evening matches and with the crap parking at AG, I struggle to get there for kick-off, so what's the point in giving me a ticket to be in my seat for 6:30pm?

Ditto if we need to become account holders at other clubs why not tell us that now, rather than have thousands of fans overloading servers at the last minute.

My point being if that's what it's going to be, then they might easily now allow those who wish do to do to opt out and let those who are prepared to out up with all the constraints maximise what's available.  Others may prepare for remote options. That'll reduced overheads, admin and frustration until such time as things return to somewhere approaching normality.

[phantom]

2 minutes ago, lager loud said:

1. Because it might well not be the experience I’ve paid for. Being required to turn up even an hour before kick-off and kill time until the game starts  does not appeal to me. Even if the people I sit with are allowed in, if I’m three or four seats away from them I won’t be able to interact with them as I do at most games. Because I haven’t paid to watch from the front row of the Atyeo or in the rain at the front of the Dolman, which might be my only choice.

2. Because I don’t want to use public transport (I haven’t since before the lockdown).

3. Because the fact that more things are permitted doesn’t mean the risk has gone away, just that it can be kept at an acceptable  level (for healthcare provision and number of deaths) with more interactions than would have been prudent when there were more cases. I’m not particularly vulnerable but am reasonably close to someone who is, and feel I should ‘manage’ the unnecessary risks I take. Every interaction with someone else increases the risk of catching the disease and passing it on. I can’t, practically, reduce that risk to zero, but I might not choose to spend part of my risk budget on going to football.

OK, then that is down to a personal choice not because you can't or that it is not safe

Please see my reply above as it relates similarly to what you have said

[phantom]

Just now, BTRFTG said:

So why isn't any if this detail hinted at in the message I've received from City ( couldn't give a flying about Bristol Sport and I don't follow any if their feeds.) If it's 5k fans what's that, somewhere between 1:4 or 1:3? How's that going to be allocated? If my son can go but I can't, how's he supposed to get to AG from London? Does his ticket go begging or will we have to bid and confirm attendance each time? How far ahead will that be for those who have other considerations? For evening matches and with the crap parking at AG, I struggle to get there for kick-off, so what's the point in giving me a ticket to be in my seat for 6:30pm?

Ditto if we need to become account holders at other clubs why not tell us that now, rather than have thousands of fans overloading servers at the last minute.

My point being if that's what it's going to be, then they might easily now allow those who wish do to do to opt out and let those who are prepared to out up with all the constraints maximise what's available.  Others may prepare for remote options. That'll reduced overheads, admin and frustration until such time as things return to somewhere approaching normality.

Simple answer is that nobody knows yet, the deal to get someone a pass on an opponents TV iFollow account is going to be a difficult one to solve, hence the reason it is not announced. 

I would guess it is being worked on by iFollow as we speak

I think you need to be patient tonight, and wait to see what the club come out with in regards to attending games. This is not a Bristol City decision this will be led by Government Guidelines in liaison with Dave Storr.

Once we know numbers etc, then the club can start communicating how people will be offered seats to return.

Opting out is an interesting point, and again once the club start looking at numbers to attend I believe it will be people apply to attend a game, and if you are succesful in your application you get a ticket

[lager loud]

2 minutes ago, phantom said:

I was identified as being in that high risk category too back in March, but there is no such thing as a high risk category anymore, that all stopped at the start of August.

Great news. So my father-in-law, who has COPD and has today come out of hospital after a bout of pneumonia, isn’t in a high risk category if he gets Covid 19? My wife, who’s just off to look after him, will be delighted to learn this.

 

[BTRFTG]

14 minutes ago, phantom said:

We know that some people are in the ground as soon as the turnstiles open.

If Twickenham is aiming to get 20,000 in, I'm sure we can manage our numbers

I'd imagine the club may issue hard copy tickets for people to come into the ground.

That way queues will fly in without people scanning etc, I appreciate what you say about 2012, but there are ways to make this work, and of course like many things in our day to day lives, it will mean doing things differently in the short term

I think you'll find one of the reasons egg-chasers get in early to watch (sic) their sport is because they're able to drink copious amounts of alcohol to later deaden the pain of seeing a scrum take 15 minutes to execute until, that is, the ref explains to the players what they're allowed to do. It also removes the stigma of singing racist and misogynistic songs on the pretext that's what middle-class supporters are allowed to do.

So will we be drinking in our seats whilst waiting?

[phantom]

20 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I haven’t scrolled thru the entire thread but I’m assuming that free access to Robins TV for home and away games is not an option as it was previously but is available at a tenner a game?

The answers are here https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/season-cards-update/

[Chessels Chick]

Now saying will be able to watch home & away matches on Robins TV 

[phantom]

3 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

I think you'll find one of the reasons egg-chasers get in early to watch (sic) their sport is because they're able to drink copious amounts of alcohol to later deaden the pain of seeing a scrum take 15 minutes to execute until, that is, the ref explains to the players what they're allowed to do. It also removes the stigma of singing racist and misogynistic songs on the pretext that's what middle-class supporters are allowed to do.

So will we be drinking in our seats whilst waiting?

Good point, I remember a few weeks back it was mentioned that this law was to be relaxed for football this season so to encourage people to take their seats earlier, but can't recall hearing anything recently about it

[Alex_BCFC]

There are lots of reasons why someone wouldn’t want to go back if it’s 30% capacity. Will be interesting to see how club handles these...

 

[lager loud]

6 minutes ago, phantom said:

OK, then that is down to a personal choice not because you can't or that it is not safe

Please see my reply above as it relates similarly to what you have said

Some of it is down to personal choice - which is unsurprising as I was responding to you wondering why someone wouldn’t want to attend. Some of it, though, is down to not getting the product I’ve paid for. 

I could just about accept that when all SC cardholders are allowed back in to their own seats with no artificial restrictions on when they can turn up the club might not give me any refund options. I’d still consider that pretty poor customer care if the risks are still there, but I don’t expect decent customer service from the club anyway. Until the club can provide what I’ve paid for, though, it shouldn't matter why I don’t want to accept the alternative on offer.

[phantom]

6 minutes ago, Chessels Chick said:

Now saying will be able to watch home & away matches on Robins TV 

I would treat that tweet with real caution at the moment- completely different statement to the email the club issued

[BTRFTG]

13 minutes ago, phantom said:

Good point, I remember a few weeks back it was mentioned that this law was to be relaxed for football this season so to encourage people to take their seats earlier, but can't recall hearing anything recently about it

Could be a game changer !

Problem being I guess nobody would then have to wear masks in their seats....

[eardun]

4 minutes ago, phantom said:

I would treat that tweet with real caution at the moment- completely different statement to the email the club issued

I think this later tweet is a correction to the first article and the email we received. If you look at the the web article now the ‘midweek’ bit has been removed from this bullet. So I’m assuming we will be able to watch all matches (apart from Sky ones) on Robins TV if we pay. 

• Robins TV matchday passes are available to buy for £10 (price set by the EFL) and stream packages will be available to purchase for home and away games not selected for Sky TV

[Port Said Red]

The first 10 pages of this thread (uninformed speculation and scorn) V the last 3 pages (fair play), is an example of this board in microcosm these days.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Seems likely to help the spread IMO if alcohol in seats- especially pre-game in a waiting period through to the end.

People lose inhibitions with alcohol, depending on levels of course.

[phantom]

5 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Could be a game changer !

Problem being I guess nobody would then have to wear masks in their seats....

Masks don't have to be worn in seats anyway, only from entering the ground to sitting in your seat requires one to be worn

With the distancing and ventilation of being outdoors there is no identifiable threat

[phantom]

2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Seems likely to help the spread IMO if alcohol in seats- especially pre-game in a waiting period through to the end.

People lose inhibitions with alcohol, depending on levels of course.

True, but harder to wonder about if in an aisle, added to the increased protection from outdoor ventilation

 

[WolfOfWestStreet]

1 hour ago, Loco Rojo said:

Not want to go because of the reduced capactity/ possible lack of atmosphere or becuase of the risk of COVID?

Both 

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 minutes ago, phantom said:

True, but harder to wonder about if in an aisle, added to the increased protection from outdoor ventilation

 

Maybe I should've put 'possible' rather than 'likely'- worth perhaps giving it a go and seeing how it plays out- though I'd be more comfortable about the idea if case levels lower nationally.

[WolfOfWestStreet]

1 hour ago, phantom said:

Why should you be offered a full refund?

We could be allowed back into the ground in a few games time.

 

Why would I want to watch a game sat 2m away from my wife and my father in law. Sat down in a half empty stadium, with no atmosphere, no socialising, no celebration, likely wearing a mask ...

Would rather not go and have the money back, because the above isn't a football match to me. 

[Alex_BCFC]

7 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

Why would I want to watch a game sat 2m away from my wife and my father in law. Sat down in a half empty stadium, with no atmosphere, no socialising, no celebration, likely wearing a mask ...

Would rather not go and have the money back, because the above isn't a football match to me. 

Yeh I agree with this. I want to go when it’s the season ticket I signed up for (ie in February or March) when we were still going to proper games. 

[sephjnr]

1 hour ago, frenchred said:

Bloody hell, talk about not pleasing all the people all the time! Do you not understand the concept of families holding multiple season tickets

Yes, I do. The club didn't in March as I got two vouchers. So pipe down.

[lanceloto]

Would they be better off having bubbles i.e groups of 4 or 5 from same households sitting in clusters and maximising capacity each game rather than having a random ballot and possibly have individuals all sat socially distanced?

I think i’d accept not being able to go if it allowed a bigger group to attend (even if they got to attend every game and me none) providing I got my refund.

Im not sure if the allowed capacity will be based on space in the terraces or ease of entering the stadium /pinch points etc.