chipdawg Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 8 hours ago, steviestevieneville said: The whole first team squad are self isolating . That’s why they had to pick a new squad to play the jocks . I think Kalas has had one negative test so he needs to return one more negative test and he's fine to play/train Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 I'm not sure Morrell and Nagy will start as they've been on international duty. Rotation is going to be key this season, with the games compressed. I'm also not sure why no one is picking Weimann in that ACM spot; Holden obviously likes him there. Massengo had a good game at the weekend so he may we'll get another run and I wonder if Brunt might come straight in or if Rowe might step into midfield alongside him? If Brunt not up to speed then perhaps one of our internationals will get a run from the start Kalas has been away but not played so I'd think He, Moore and Mawson will be the back three, Dasilva and Hunt wing backs and Fam and Wells up front, with Martin coming off the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, chipdawg said: Kalas has had one negative test so he needs to return one more negative test and he's fine to play/train Ah ok , thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 hour ago, chipdawg said: I'm not sure Morrell and Nagy will start as they've been on international duty. Rotation is going to be key this season, with the games compressed. I'm also not sure why no one is picking Weimann in that ACM spot; Holden obviously likes him there. Massengo had a good game at the weekend so he may we'll get another run and I wonder if Brunt might come straight in or if Rowe might step into midfield alongside him? If Brunt not up to speed then perhaps one of our internationals will get a run from the start Kalas has been away but not played so I'd think He, Moore and Mawson will be the back three, Dasilva and Hunt wing backs and Fam and Wells up front, with Martin coming off the bench Morrell probably will, he finished international duty on Sunday, was only playing less than 50 miles from home anyway, so no travel issues. With Williams out he is the most similar type to play there. Interesting listening to Holden on Monday talking about Martin’s good fitness levels, I would not be shocked if he started instead of Fam, especially if there is anything in this Dijon rumour, Brunt admitted in his interview he was probably 2 weeks away from full fitness so I expect he might not even make the bench yet. Agree that Weimann will start & Paterson is (along with Bentley) the biggest cert to play alongside him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 44 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Morrell probably will, he finished international duty on Sunday, was only playing less than 50 miles from home anyway, so no travel issues. With Williams out he is the most similar type to play there. Interesting listening to Holden on Monday talking about Martin’s good fitness levels, I would not be shocked if he started instead of Fam, especially if there is anything in this Dijon rumour, Brunt admitted in his interview he was probably 2 weeks away from full fitness so I expect he might not even make the bench yet. Agree that Weimann will start & Paterson is (along with Bentley) the biggest cert to play alongside him. There doesn't seem to be any aggro in the contract discussions with Fam, so unless a move is imminent I don't see why he wouldn't play. Wouldn't be surprised to see Martin start though. I think Weimann and Pato together in a championship midfield is a big risk, especially if your defensive player in Joe Morrell who's barely played at this level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 Not necessarily how i would pick it, but i suspect we will see: bentley moore kalas mawson hunt morrell paterson weimann Dasilva fam wells the selection is relatively straight forward at the moment, but when williams and walsh are back, then ive no idea how he will play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hinsleburg Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 I would start with both Nagy and Morrell as the Midfield holding two with Paterson behind FD/NW. I think Holden will put Weimann in there somewhere but unsure where. With Morrell and Nagy playing internationals it may actually work in our favour as they have played in competitive matches and maybe have that extra bit of sharpness for the first day. I really rate Nagy and think he has been potentially written off prematurely by some (understandable however given last year). But by all accounts he has come back to pre-season sharp and smashed all the physical tests and I think his speed of thought is second to none out of our midfield options. Plus, I love how he can receive the ball on the half turn and instantly get us playing forward, seems to be able to snap passes out quickly and efficiently. I've said before that I think he could be the key to getting Palmer to play well but I'm not sure we'll see KP again. Guess the back 3 depends on who's fit but if Mawson isn't I'd go for TM, TK and ZV, I like Rowe and he's left footed which is a plus, but think these 3 offer a bit more physicality and speed albeit I think Rowe has a nasty streak which may put him ahead of ZV. I really don't know what to make of this years squad, seems like a lot of depth but not many stand out players that will definitely play each week if fit. However with games coming thick and fast that could be seen as a good thing perhaps given the physical impact on the players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: Morrell probably will, he finished international duty on Sunday, was only playing less than 50 miles from home anyway, so no travel issues. With Williams out he is the most similar type to play there. Interesting listening to Holden on Monday talking about Martin’s good fitness levels, I would not be shocked if he started instead of Fam, especially if there is anything in this Dijon rumour, Brunt admitted in his interview he was probably 2 weeks away from full fitness so I expect he might not even make the bench yet. Agree that Weimann will start & Paterson is (along with Bentley) the biggest cert to play alongside him. Yes, Morrell, was due a rest day on Monday so should’ve joined back in yesterday. He will be fit and raring to go. Whether he starts or not, no idea, but expect him in the 18. There should be no fatigue, in fact he’s had 180 minutes, so more competitive match fit than anyone. Nagy - ditto, 180 minutes in the tank O’Dowda we think will miss out through injury. I’m sure the best he could’ve hoped for was a spot on the bench. Kalas is an unknown because of covid. Think DH will be very coy about this, especially if he’s unable to play. Martin is fit(ish). Been doing his own programme with a personal trainer which has included ball work, positional stuff, etc. Think he will make the bench. Brunt isn’t ready, but I could see him getting minutes versus Northampton. Mawson has had a pre-season with Fulham, just probably not tonnes of minutes. If Kalas is out, he will play I’m sure. I expect him too anyway. Featured in the training ground video yesterday (Chris Martin goal highlight) getting praise from the coaches re his positioning. Sessegnon I’m sure will be raring to go, but will probably wait until Tuesday to make his first start. Williams and Walsh both out. So, my team / contenders for Saturday: GK: Bentley RWB: Hunt (Sessegnon) LWB: Dasilva CB: Moore, Kalas, Mawson (Vyner if either Kalas or Mawson not available) CM: Massengo, Morrell, Paterson (Nagy, Bakinson) CF: Weimann, Wells (Diedhiou, Martin) Based on the above, bench could be: O’Leary, Sessegnon, Vyner, Nagy, Eliasson, Diedhiou, Martin Meaning the following miss out: Wollacott, Rowe, Brunt, Palmer, Semenyo, Bakinson, Towler, Morton (Hinds, Adelakun) Injured: O’Dowda, Walsh, Williams, Baker Suspect 1 or 2 might move on by Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 15 hours ago, Davefevs said: I guess a lot depends on the roles they are given. Morrell showed in the FA Cup game v Bolton, he’s more than capable of breaking the lines and bursting forward....so you could play him more advanced than Massengo for example. Agreed - I don't think Morrell is what people think he is. He's a pretty complete central midfielder - good defensive fundementals but also decent offensively. Some similarities to Brownhill IMO but more defensively minded. I have a very good feeling about him actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, Simon bristol said: Not necessarily how i would pick it, but i suspect we will see: bentley moore kalas mawson hunt morrell paterson weimann Dasilva fam wells the selection is relatively straight forward at the moment, but when williams and walsh are back, then ive no idea how he will play it. I think you're spot on. Then, in midweek, I reckon Vyner, Massengo, Nagy, Martin and Sessengon will all start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 One thing for me is that Fam was a little off the pace last week. It might be an extra week has caught him up but I'd be minded towards Wells and Weimann upfront if not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 I'd personally go with this: But I think Massengo will be preferred over Nagy and Hunt over Sessegnon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 56 minutes ago, mozo said: I think you're spot on. Then, in midweek, I reckon Vyner, Massengo, Nagy, Martin and Sessengon will all start. Yes, sounds about right. i get what weimann brings, with his energy and positivity, but we are overstocked with midfielders and if we are playing an attacker out of position in midfield, it doesnt really sit well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middlesbrough Robin Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 7 hours ago, tin said: I'd personally go with this: But I think Massengo will be preferred over Nagy and Hunt over Sessegnon. I'd probably go with this. Although as one of our leading providers of assists I still think RWB is Hunt's position to lose. We'll need him and SS both plenty though for that position thoroughout the season. I can see Weimann being used as the second forward plenty for both his energy and his ability to cover for the midfielders so that they can mix things up a bit mid game - get forward, go wide, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldlandReddies Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 Still can't believe everyone is leaving Tommy Rowe out after his MOM performance against Exeter. Personally think he'll start v Coventry. He was a great buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Notgetinya Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 Still worried about how our defence looks if one of Mawson or Kalas gets injured now Bakers out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TammyAB Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 What even are the rules in the Championship this season regarding subs? 7 or 9 on the bench? 3 or 5 subs used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoyo2345 Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 I’d deffo start Vyner and think he will start in 352 Bentley Vyner kalas moore/mawson hunt paterson Brunt massengo Dasilva weimann wells That would be my starting line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 22 hours ago, eardun said: Team selection is going to be interesting for sure! We need to get the best out of Wells and I don’t think he has clicked with Fam yet; I would start with Weimann alongside him with Martin to come off the bench. Mawson to start in Baker’s position. Brunt to give us balance on the left of the 3 in midfield. I’d like to see Morrell start (although suspect Massengo might given Morrell and Nagy have been away). I’d keep Hunt in as he played well last week. Here goes: Bentley Moore Kalas Mawson Hunt Dasilva Paterson Morrell Brunt Weimann Wells Nice.. Apart from Bentley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Fox Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 Looking at the squad I can only think we will go for the iconic 1-8-1 formation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 Worryingly I didn’t see TK in the training video today (filmed yesterday) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Worryingly I didn’t see TK in the training video today (filmed yesterday) Doesn't he have to have another (negative) Covid test before he's allowed to train? Read something on another thread - I'll see if I can find it EDIT: it was chipdawg's post further up this page. Presumably there's some sort of timescale between Covid tests though - how long does he have to wait between tests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 As for lineups, Holden seems to have shown his hand as to exactly how he will set up. Everyone has their favourites I know but I'd personally like to see Nagy & Diedhiou start. The back 6 mostly picks itself, could make many different arguments for the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 9, 2020 Report Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, sinenomine said: Doesn't he have to have another (negative) Covid test before he's allowed to train? Read something on another thread - I'll see if I can find it Yes, perhaps the negative test he already had with Czech Republic doesn’t count, and they usually test on a Tuesday I think, perhaps waiting for results. Confusing whatever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 9 hours ago, TammyAB said: What even are the rules in the Championship this season regarding subs? 7 or 9 on the bench? 3 or 5 subs used? I thought it had gone back to how it was before the season resumed, no water breaks too. Might be wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WirralRobin Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 19 hours ago, Simon bristol said: Not necessarily how i would pick it, but i suspect we will see: bentley moore kalas mawson hunt morrell paterson weimann Dasilva fam wells the selection is relatively straight forward at the moment, but when williams and walsh are back, then ive no idea how he will play it. Yeah I'm confident, if Kalas is available, this will be the line up too. I'm personally still not won over by Weimann in midfield but Holden seems to love him in there and there's even strong talk of him being the permanent captain which worries me slightly as it's his place I'd like Walsh to take when fit. Other than that though I really like the look of this side overall. I do worry about us potentially getting overrun in midfield against a Coventry side known for effectively playing 4 central midfielders in a 3-4-2-1 formation but this will prove a great opportunity to test out Holden's theory of pushing forward on of our centre backs in the press to even those numbers out. Can't wait for the start of the season now, COYR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 There are caveats because we don't know who is fit and who may need to self-isolate- aside from the obvious Baker, Williams, Walsh and O'Dowda all out. Bentley Moore Kalas Mawson Hunt Nagy Morrell Paterson DaSilva Weimann Wells You can create triangles with that shape. Lots of them! Paterson at a base, Weimann and Wells ahead. Nagy-Morrell with one of Weimann or Wells alternating. Moore-Mawson-Nagy/Morrell ahead depending on the phase of play. I'm sure there are more too! Clearly Sessegnon is an option at RWB, Brunt is versatile- Martin and Diedhiou are of course options and Massengo given the injuries could be a first reserve. Weimann or Moore can help out Hunt in some phases- Paterson would be tasked with helping out DaSilva. The good thing about that specific back 3 is that all 3 are comfortable in possession. All of them- clearly the two either side are more adventurous but Kalas into the opposition half last week completed 18/19 passes- let off the leash a bit he might be able to be more attacking than he's shown though he must be the most conservative of the 3. Baker as one of them and I'd worry a bit that isolation of the least suited to the high line could occur- Williams too given his age and relative lack of pace- maybe Rowe might be that man if we have to field him at LCB e.g., not least as it's far from his first position anyway! Caveats: How fit is Mawson? Can add Sessegnon, Brunt and Martin to that- but they're not necessarily starters at this second IMO. What is the situation with Kalas? Vyner and Rowe at CB and LCB would put something of a limitation on us this week, in terms of building from the back and dominating the ball, higher line etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnr1986 Posted September 10, 2020 Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 On 09/09/2020 at 09:45, chipdawg said: think Weimann and Pato together in a championship midfield is a big risk, especially if your defensive player in Joe Morrell who's barely played at this level Totally agree with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted September 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 Why do most have Moore on the right of the back three rather than the middle - am I missing something ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted September 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, JonDolman said: 2 ball players either side and the stopper in Kalas central. Kalas looks more comfortable centrally imo. Only one CB would bring the ball out at any time though. For me, when we have three at the back, expect long passes into the channels - meat and drink to Kalas/Mawson, maybe a problem for Moore. The positioning of Kalas having played both right and left is very good and is something Moore has yet to attain. I'd much prefer Moore in the centre. I was just curious as to why the vast majority had Kalas in the centre - but we'll find out soon who plays where and I'd have no issues if DH plays Moore on the right (just doubt he would, but happy to be proven wrong) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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