Super Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, RedRoss said: How do you know? Why dramatise figures when none of us know the true facts. Did he cost us something..yes, did it work out.. no. I look at it differently, we had an option to buy after the loan. Thank goodness we had that loan arrangement rather than just buying like we did with Fam and Kodjia we avoided a 'sad state of affairs' as you put it. Some reported on here it was near 20k a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRoss Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Super said: Some reported on here it was near 20k a week. Ahh forgive me that must be true then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Taylors a Red Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Monkeh said: You mean player of the season and best striker at the club fammy? Fammy is surely not a better striker than Wells? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Matty Taylors a Red said: Fammy is surely not a better striker than Wells? Yep I rate him a lot higher his all round game is better, Wells is the better finisher fammy is the better player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Monkeh said: Yep I rate him a lot higher his all round game is better, Wells is the better finisher fammy is the better player In what sense exactly? Wells is a legit 20 goal a season striker if he stays fit. That's the primary aim of being a forward. I rate Diedhiou, and obviously he's got a different skillset, but if I had to pick one it would be Wells every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: In what sense exactly? Wells is a legit 20 goal a season striker if he stays fit. That's the primary aim of being a forward. I rate Diedhiou, and obviously he's got a different skillset, but if I had to pick one it would be Wells every time. Give fammy the same service Wells had at qpr and he'd easily get 20 goals, I belive his chance conversion rate is better, Also Wells has only broken the 20 goal barrier twice last season being his 2nd time, That doesnt make him a 20 goal a season striker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, Monkeh said: Give fammy the same service Wells had at qpr and he'd easily get 20 goals, I belive his chance conversion rate is better, Also Wells has only broken the 20 goal barrier twice last season being his 2nd time, That doesnt make him a 20 goal a season striker A "20 goal a season striker" means someone who's capable of it (which Wells has proven as you point out) providing they stay fit and have the right service. I like Diedhiou and he's got a lot of qualities but he's not as natural a goalscorer as Wells imo. I would like him to stay, but if it was a straight theoretical choice between the two I'd rather have Wells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted September 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 47 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I like Diedhiou and he's got a lot of qualities but he's not as natural a goalscorer as Wells imo I tend to agree but also believe that FD could break the twenty goal barrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Monkeh said: Give fammy the same service Wells had at qpr and he'd easily get 20 goals, I belive his chance conversion rate is better, Also Wells has only broken the 20 goal barrier twice last season being his 2nd time, That doesnt make him a 20 goal a season striker It is, but according to the data, he had easier chances in comparison. Even though Wells wasn’t anywhere near his QPR levels, he still outperformed xG, Diedhiou underperformed. As with all these numbers you start to get a better degree of “truth” when you start to combine them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 Pre joining St Etienne he was quite a promising striker. Well reasonable anyway with some useful output and underlying metrics. St Etienne, when he first returned there his record wasn't so bad- sounds like he's gone South very quickly! Feel Wells is better technically than Diedhiou but Diedhiou offers more defensively and in some other areas- clearly Wells the more natural finisher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 On a free? That's less than the price of a pineapple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 the first touch i can remember him making was trying to trap the ball,messing up and ending up on his arse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted September 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 18 minutes ago, redsquirrel said: the first touch i can remember him making was trying to trap the ball,messing up and ending up on his arse And that was as good as it got . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G.Red Posted September 11, 2020 Report Share Posted September 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: A "20 goal a season striker" means someone who's capable of it (which Wells has proven as you point out) providing they stay fit and have the right service. I like Diedhiou and he's got a lot of qualities but he's not as natural a goalscorer as Wells imo. I would like him to stay, but if it was a straight theoretical choice between the two I'd rather have Wells. I think Fam is the better player with regard to his versatility. They can both score goals, but I’m not so sure that Nahki can, or is as willing as Fam is, to play in other positions when required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 11 hours ago, E.G.Red said: I think Fam is the better player with regard to his versatility. They can both score goals, but I’m not so sure that Nahki can, or is as willing as Fam is, to play in other positions when required. That’s true but it depends what you want from a striker. Imo you don’t buy a striker like Wells for his versatility - you buy him to play purely as a striker and score goals. He’s the same sort of mould as Michael Owen - a goal scorer who will thrive off having good quality chances created for him. You let him concentrate on scoring in his best role and don’t bother trying him on the wing or as a false 9 etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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