Crackers Corner Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 5 hours ago, Sheltons Army said: What’s a ‘good player’ ? Colin Daniel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sludge Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 10 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: ‘Don’t’ vs ‘Didn’t’ ? Fair enough, you want to dismiss every good player from the recent past who didn’t just “run around a lot” - football did exist before 1992 - just saying .... I’m not dismissing anyone. The thread is about one of our current players and what he currently brings to the team. Not talking about the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sludge Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 10 hours ago, reddoh said: good players don't need to run around they just happen to be in the right place at the right time. At the risk of repeating myself and becoming boring - not many nowadays though. Football has moved on since Matt le tissier etc we’re playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 Different players needs in a team and I think Weimann fits in the way we play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sludge Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 2 hours ago, JonDolman said: Agree. Tactics are such a big thing now and a midfielder who lacks work rate is a weakness that the other side will look to take advantage of. There are still luxury players around, but they work far harder than Le Tissier did. Indeed. You don’t see many players with Le Tissiers ‘physique’ playing currently in Championship or above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 36 minutes ago, sludge said: Indeed. You don’t see many players with Le Tissiers ‘physique’ playing currently in Championship or above. No, but it’s 20-25 years since he played in his pomp. The game evolves. He would’ve evolved too. Look how Tomlin has changed his physique in the last 12 months to match the demands of the game....and most would label him a waster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sludge Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: No, but it’s 20-25 years since he played in his pomp. The game evolves. He would’ve evolved too. Look how Tomlin has changed his physique in the last 12 months to match the demands of the game....and most would label him a waster. So you’re agreeing with my central points which are that players are fitter now than they used to be, largely because they need to run more. Hence in the modern game why you don’t get many overweight players and most top players do indeed run quite a lot during a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 1 hour ago, sludge said: So you’re agreeing with my central points which are that players are fitter now than they used to be, largely because they need to run more. Hence in the modern game why you don’t get many overweight players and most top players do indeed run quite a lot during a game Generally yes....but I’d say it’s all relative. The fitness levels have increased across the board. Running has increased across the board. Tomlin (today) is tonnes fitter than Le Tissier (yesteryear), but would probably be called lazy in today’s standards, but would be deemed fit in yesteryear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sludge Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Generally yes....but I’d say it’s all relative. The fitness levels have increased across the board. Running has increased across the board. Tomlin (today) is tonnes fitter than Le Tissier (yesteryear), but would probably be called lazy in today’s standards, but would be deemed fit in yesteryear. Like it or not, you’re still agreeing with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, sludge said: Like it or not, you’re still agreeing with me Happy to agree. Im not @BS4 on Tour... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sludge Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Happy to agree. Im not @BS4 on Tour... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 13 hours ago, sludge said: I’m not dismissing anyone. The thread is about one of our current players and what he currently brings to the team. Not talking about the past. Yes, but you posted along the lines of “good players run around a lot” - you didn’t say present or past - I merely pointed out that loads of past and present ‘good players’ didn’t, and don’t, necessarily run around a lot and I gave numerous examples ... that’s all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 5 hours ago, Davefevs said: Happy to agree. Im not @BS4 on Tour... Makes a change from you bombarding people with spreadsheets in an attempt to prove some relatively minor points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 1 minute ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Makes a change from you bombarding people with spreadsheets in an attempt to prove some relatively minor points Spreadsheets? You cheeky blighter.....I use a database....I’m not Serco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilRascal Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 Why isn’t Wiemann in the Austria squad?? Who’s keeping him out of it? Would have thought he’d be in it on current form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, LilRascal said: Why isn’t Wiemann in the Austria squad?? Who’s keeping him out of it? Would have thought he’d be in it on current form. I was surprised when he was overlooked a couple of seasons ago, but at 29 he might be considered a step backwards now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 @LilRascal Austria actually have not a bad side. Based on Wiki and most recent squad...some of these midranking sides lack the hype and profile of PL players but frankly are decent. If it's midfield he would be behind the following players from Top divisions across Europe IMO: Baumgartlinger- Bayer Leverkusen Ilsanker- Frankfurt Schopf- Schalke Grillitsch- Hoffenheim Schlager- Wolfsburg Baumgartner- Hoffenheim Then relatively recent callups: Lazaro- Borussia Monchengladbach Kainz- FC Koln Lainer- Leipzig Generally for a start, Weimann would be behind midfielders who play in say the Bundesliga IMO. Those 3 in the second category are all injured which maybe the reason they aren't in the squad. Where you might be able to make a case is for Schaub who plays for Luzern though he's scored 5 in 15 for Austria so perhaps not, he could be fairly important for them, but he's in Swiss League. Ranftl who plays for LASK Linz- Austrian League, or Holzhauser who plays for Beerschot in Belgium. However that said, those last 2 have 3 caps between so could be fillers anyway! In that second list is also Zulj of Anderlecht and Goiginger of LASK- neither called up this time, if they play regularly in Europe even if Europa League for their clubs Weimann might also slip behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilRascal Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: I was surprised when he was overlooked a couple of seasons ago, but at 29 he might be considered a step backwards now. Wish I was 29 years young guess I should announce my retirement from international football (even as a goalkeeper!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 If it's up front, there could be a bit more promise here. Most recent squad. Gregoritsch- Augsburg. Onisiwo- Mainz Grbic- Lorient. Monschein- Austria Vienna Kalajdzic- Stuttgart. First 2 are Bundesliga, however the 3rd, 4th and 5th are French 2nd tier, Austrian top flight and German 2nd tier- broadly comparable? Indeed, Wiki says the last 4 have 14 caps between them but he won't be getting into midfield. Sabitzer of Leipzig wasn't picked this time around for some reason, neither was Hinterseer of Hamburg- first one being high end Bundesliga club will be ahead, 2nd is fallen giant in Bundesliga 2 so surely wouldn't be much ahead! Arnautovic of course would be, but seems not to have played for them for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted October 12, 2020 Report Share Posted October 12, 2020 On 10/10/2020 at 23:47, Davefevs said: Alan Ball was a great believer in Matt Le Tissier, and said he had the uncanny knack of knowing when to stand still and create space because everyone else was busy running around. That was then...this is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sludge Posted October 12, 2020 Report Share Posted October 12, 2020 8 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Yes, but you posted along the lines of “good players run around a lot” - you didn’t say present or past - I merely pointed out that loads of past and present ‘good players’ didn’t, and don’t, necessarily run around a lot and I gave numerous examples ... that’s all Ok I must’ve missed the list of present day/current players that don’t run around a lot. I thought your list was mostly players from over 20 years ago with the exception of Lee Tomlin. Either way, think it’s probably time to move on from this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted October 12, 2020 Report Share Posted October 12, 2020 8 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: If it's up front, there could be a bit more promise here. Most recent squad. Gregoritsch- Augsburg. Onisiwo- Mainz Grbic- Lorient. Monschein- Austria Vienna Kalajdzic- Stuttgart. First 2 are Bundesliga, however the 3rd, 4th and 5th are French 2nd tier, Austrian top flight and German 2nd tier- broadly comparable? Indeed, Wiki says the last 4 have 14 caps between them but he won't be getting into midfield. Sabitzer of Leipzig wasn't picked this time around for some reason, neither was Hinterseer of Hamburg- first one being high end Bundesliga club will be ahead, 2nd is fallen giant in Bundesliga 2 so surely wouldn't be much ahead! Arnautovic of course would be, but seems not to have played for them for a while. Stuttgart are currently 8th in the Bundesliga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 12, 2020 Report Share Posted October 12, 2020 8 hours ago, Lew-T said: Stuttgart are currently 8th in the Bundesliga. Ah thanks- my bad- I thought they got relegated a while ago, maybe they came back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 12, 2020 Report Share Posted October 12, 2020 14 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Ah thanks- my bad- I thought they got relegated a while ago, maybe they came back. Relegated 18/19, promoted 19/20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted October 12, 2020 Report Share Posted October 12, 2020 I bet he’d be 5h1t if you strapped him to a pole and tried to play table football with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 21 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said: I bet he’d be 5h1t if you strapped him to a pole and tried to play table football with him Thankfully I can’t see Dean Holden trying out that tactic this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 On 12/10/2020 at 18:48, bcfcredandwhite said: I bet he’d be 5h1t if you strapped him to a pole and tried to play table football with him 4 hours ago, David Brent said: Thankfully I can’t see Dean Holden trying out that tactic this season We don’t have any Polish players either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 22 hours ago, Davefevs said: We don’t have any Polish players either. Being strapped to Jacki three legged race style would have been an interesting night out I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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