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English football reform being led by Liverpool and Man Utd


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8 minutes ago, SedRA said:

Who along with rest of the top 6 and a few others would be granted ‘special status’ in the new 18 team format. In return giving the EFL a £250m bailout and 25% of EPL income going forwards. 
 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54499998

 

Genuinely trying to help reform for the better or shameless power grab?

Disgraceful 

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I think it’s a good idea for the PL to reduce to 18 and to get rid of the League Cup and Charity Shield. But what happens to the two teams who drop out of the PL and how does that impact on the football pyramid or is that a contingency for two clubs to go to the wall? Otherwise it leaves 74 clubs to get into three divisions, which is impossible. Maybe it leaves four divisions of 18 clubs and one new division of 20 clubs?

Also, what would be the future around promotion/relegation to the top flight? Would it still be three up, three down or more of a closed shop? The Devil’s in the detail.

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1 minute ago, tin said:

I think it’s a good idea for the PL to reduce to 18 and to get rid of the League Cup and Charity Shield. But what happens to the two teams who drop out of the PL and how does that impact on the football pyramid or is that a contingency for two clubs to go to the wall? Otherwise it leaves 74 clubs to get into three divisions. 

Also, what would be the future around promotion/relegation to the top flight? Would it still be three up, three down or more of a closed shop? The Devil’s in the detail.

EFL would remain 72 clubs and two more would drop to NL at some point

17th/18th would be relegated and 16th would be involved in an end of season play off with 3rd/4th/5th from the championship to survive.

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The scrapping of the league cup (in its current form) and scrapping parachute payments is a step forward imo. Couldn't give a toss about the "charity" shield tbh.

And the 250m plus 25% EPL monies going to the EFL is welcome.

But the potential stumbling block is the proposed "special status" of the top 6 plus the other 3 mentioned which in effect means that 6 clubs can decide on any changes to the EPL make up - looking after themselves. They could vote so that those 9 cannot be relegated for instance. If the current members of the EPL vote for this, it would be like turkeys voting for Christmas.

But the devil is in the detail of course.

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12 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Without seeing full proposals it’s difficult to judge.

 

Indeed.

But the potential scrapping of Parachute payments, might make the Championship a more level playing field.; as well as the increase in income from the PL.

I'm sure the concept of the lower placed teams having to play the playoff teams from the league below has been tried before (albeit never in PL/Champ).

Interesting times ahead. From looking at it initially; there will be a lot more frightened PL teams, than Champ at this proposal.

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5 minutes ago, Robin101 said:

Feared the worst when I read the headline, but doesn’t seem to be the too awful proposals.

The ‘special status’ is the concerning bit...

Yeah was just going to ask what the special status would be? Exempt from going down? Hope not as hate West Ham! 

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Project Big Picture: The key proposals of Premier League overhaul revealed
Full breakdown of how new proposals will shape finances, infrastructure and governance

Rescue Fund
An immediate rescue fund of £350,000,000 to the English Football League and Football Association for lost revenues of 2019/20 and 2020/21...

For the EFL:
£50,000,000 to cover 2019/20 EFL matchday losses;

Up to £200,000,000 available to cover 2020/21 EFL matchday losses;

Money will be advanced to the EFL from increased future revenues.

For the FA:
£100,000,000 in grants, made up of £55,000,000 to cover operational losses, £25,000,000 for clubs below the EFL, £10,000,000 for the Women’s Super League and Championship, £10,000,000 for grassroots

Funds to be made available by the Premier League through loans guaranteed by the clubs.

Infrastructure Plan
Infrastructure funding of 6% of Premier League gross revenues to be distributed annually to the top four divisions.

Each club will receive £100 per seat annually.

Infrastructure funding can only be used for stadia and fan experiences.

Fan Charter
A cap of £20 on Premier League away ticketing (adjusted every 3 years for inflation)

Subsidised Premier League away travel

Safe-standing sections at the discretion of each club, subject to government permission.

Away sections must provide at least 3,000 or 8% of capacity, whichever is higher.

Annual Good Causes
An increase of 66% in annual contributions to good causes in England.

A total of 5% of Premier League gross income to be contributed annually to good causes and grassroots football, to include focus on combatting racism and discrimination.

Redistribution of Media & Sponsorship Revenues (three possible options)
Option A: 50% equal, 25% current-year merit, 25% previous 3-year merit

A greater emphasis will be placed on merit in both the Premier League and the Championship with half of payments reflecting positions over the past four years.

Option B: Current Premier League distribution scheme (50% equal, 25% by merit and 25% by facility fees) but newly promoted clubs must holdback £25m of first two years in the Premier League to mitigate risk of relegation.

Option 😄 Current Premier League distribution scheme, but newly promoted clubs receive 25% of their allocated Facility Fees for first 3 years in league.

For all above options:
Excluding parachute payments and including new infrastructure payments, solidarity from the Premier League to the English Football League would increase from 4% to 25%.

Premier League and English Football League domestic and international media rights will be collectively sold by the Premier League.

Compensation payments to The EFL and FA, infrastructure monies and related borrowings are deducted prior to determination of distributable revenues.

Pyramid structure
The Premier League, originally formed to house 18 clubs,would be reduced from 20 to 18 clubs.

This would free up the calendar and, with fewer teams and an end to parachute payments, provide additional resources to the EFL.

Reduction from 38 to 34 rounds of matches will also aid the national team.

Championships, League One and League Two to all be made up of 24 clubs

Promotion and relegation
Premier League relegation. At least 2 clubs automatically relegated annually

Championship promotion: 1st and 2nd automatically promoted.

Club finishing 16th in the Premier League joins four team Championship play-off tournament with teams who finish 3rd, 4th and 5th. Semi-finals would be 16th place PL team vs 5th place Championships team nad 3rd place Championship team against 4th place Championship team.

Championship relegation – 3 clubs

Leagues One and Two: promotion of 3 clubs. Relegation of 4 clubs

Club media
All Premier League clubs have the exclusive rights to sell eight live matches a season directly to fans via their own digital platforms in all international territories.

All Premier League and Championship clubs allowed to show limited in-match highlights on their own digital platforms.

No more than 27 games per club will be shown live in UK per season

Saturday 3pm broadcast blackouts remain to help protect EFL attendance

Other competitions
League Cup and Community Shield discontinued;

Establishment of a new independent league for the Women’s professional game, not to be owned by the Premier League or The Football Association;

FA Cup replays retained but there will be no replays in the winter break;

Premier League begins later in August and pre-season friendlies extended;

No more than two weeks between the end of the Premier League and the Champions League final;

Premier League clubs must participate at least once every five years in the Premier League summer tournament.

Other structural changes
Elite Player Performance Plan funding is included in the revenue received by EFL clubs;

Clubs in League One and below are no longer required to have an academy;

Clubs permitted to have up to 15 players out on loan domestically at any time, including up to four in a single English club. Introduction of one month loans for players under 23, an ability to recall loanees in the event of managerial change, incentivise loanee clubs through payments based on future performance or sale of loaned players;

Remove the scholarship clause permitting players to terminate at any stage.

Cost Controls & Related Party Income
Financial Fair Play rules that align with Uefa to ensure English clubs are not at a disadvantage in Europe;

A £50 million cap per annum on all related party transactions and a more stringent ‘related party’ definition;

Premier League executive provided with full access to clubs accounting information to investigate cost control

A joint Premier League and Championship body will monitor cost controls.

The English Football League will introduce hard salary caps.

Governance
All material matters relating to the business of the Premier League will require shareholder approval, except that the Board will decide whether to approve a new owner;

All votes will require more than two-thirds majority to be approved;

All other votes for the operation of the Premier League will be one-club, one-vote except those provided for under ‘Special Voting Rights’

Special Voting Rights
Each of the nine clubs who, at any time of determination, have been members of the Premier League continuously for more seasons than other clubs will be considered a ‘Long-Term Shareholder’.

Two-thirds of the long-term shareholders can cause to be adopted without approval from the other clubs:
i) the election or removal of the CEO and/or a member of the board;
ii) amendments to cost control rules and regulations;
iii) contracts for the sale of league broadcasting and media rights

Two-thirds of the long-term shareholders can prevent from being adopted resolutions to:
i) change the distribution rights of the sponsorship, commercial and broadcasting rights sold centrally;
ii) change the distribution to clubs from other PL centralised rights or assets
c) alter in a material way the nature of the competition

Two-thirds of the long-term shareholders can veto the Premier League board’s approval of a proposed new owner.

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1 minute ago, paul_fox said:

Yeah was just going to ask what the special status would be? Exempt from going down? Hope not as hate West Ham! 

Would the "special status" be permanent or time limited?

That said, when was the last time that one of the top six got relegated the next season. I suppose of the "big" clubs. Southampton would definitely want to be in that group; as well as West Ham, Newcastle.

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Need to digest this for a bit before drawing conclusions. I don’t like the protected club status and it looks like it’s going to be even harder to get to PL. Having said that the removal of parachute payments makes it more of a level playing field. Hmmm

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38 minutes ago, tin said:

I think it’s a good idea for the PL to reduce to 18 and to get rid of the League Cup and Charity Shield. But what happens to the two teams who drop out of the PL and how does that impact on the football pyramid or is that a contingency for two clubs to go to the wall? Otherwise it leaves 74 clubs to get into three divisions, which is impossible. Maybe it leaves four divisions of 18 clubs and one new division of 20 clubs?

Also, what would be the future around promotion/relegation to the top flight? Would it still be three up, three down or more of a closed shop? The Devil’s in the detail.

Are they perhaps of the opinion that there might not be 72 clubs still in business after all this virus crap is over?

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49 minutes ago, tin said:

I think it’s a good idea for the PL to reduce to 18 and to get rid of the League Cup and Charity Shield. But what happens to the two teams who drop out of the PL and how does that impact on the football pyramid or is that a contingency for two clubs to go to the wall? Otherwise it leaves 74 clubs to get into three divisions, which is impossible. Maybe it leaves four divisions of 18 clubs and one new division of 20 clubs?

Also, what would be the future around promotion/relegation to the top flight? Would it still be three up, three down or more of a closed shop? The Devil’s in the detail.

Cut and paste above says championship, leagues one and two would remain at 24 clubs so presumably if all clubs survive a couple will move down the pyramid. The national league north and south currently have less than 24 clubs so room there I guess. 

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The playoff 3rd and 4th against 16th in premier league is what it was for the first few seasons to 1995? 

The longest serving teams - will that be at the end of this season or will it be the teams that have spent the most years since 1992? Possibly the likes of "big teams" like Leeds, Villa, Forest and Derby may not be included.

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There's an obvious issue with the play off system, a premier league team will have played a 34 game season (plus FA cup), a championship will have played a 46 game season plus FA cup. Premier league team will be fresher for that 2 games. Will also mean the championship season will need to adjust to fit the finish of the premier league as well.

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Premier League will basically control the EFL broadcasting rights and 6(*) clubs can control the Premier League. No chance of streaming our games if this goes ahead.

(*) Pressumably Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Man United, Spurs & Chelsea.

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2 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

Premier League will basically control the EFL broadcasting rights and 6(*) clubs can control the Premier League. No chance of streaming our games if this goes ahead.

(*) Pressumably Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Man United, Spurs & Chelsea.

Man City, not Everton.

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Without seeing full proposals it’s difficult to judge.

 

Says a Liverpool fan ;)

In all seriousness though, there are lots of questions in the detail about this which will need answering.

On the face of this article though, I wouldn't want to be one of the 2 teams relegated when this new system starts and Parachute payments are cancelled. 

I do like the idea of an annual fee paid to the pyramid although I'm sure there will be some more specific clauses that benefit the PL - nothing in life is free.

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5 minutes ago, Robin101 said:

Headline figure has to be the increase of funding to EFL from 4% to 25%. That’s fairly massive.

I'm sure there are more clauses in it to benefit the PL. I doubt they'd be happy to just increase it to 25% (which as you say is huge if your 4% quoted is correct) without some significant benefit to them. They won't lose out on this.

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2 minutes ago, Robin101 said:

Headline figure has to be the increase of funding to EFL from 4% to 25%. That’s fairly massive.

Yes there's loads to like here but... It doesn't look like that 25% is protected, and there's the catch. If that's locked in for the long term, then that's great, but I don't think it is. And if it's not, then I think it's really worrying.

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7 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Man City, not Everton.

Okay - do you know why as I thought this was longest serving clubs which would put Everton above Man City who have only been continous members of PL since the 2000/2001 season.

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Another nail in the coffin for football if this comes in for me. Making it even harder for teams to get into the premier league is not a good move.  The biggest clubs having the biggest say isn’t either.  
 

3 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

Okay - do you know why as I thought this was longest serving clubs which would put Everton above Man City who have only been continous members of PL since the 2000/2001 season.

It’s the 9 longest serving Prem teams isn’t it ? 

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3 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Another nail in the coffin for football if this comes in for me. Making it even harder for teams to get into the premier league is not a good move.  The biggest clubs having the biggest say isn’t either.  
 

It’s the 9 longest serving Prem teams isn’t it ? 

Conveniently. Otherwise a lot of the big clubs would be embarrassed!

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