pongo88 Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 One day he may become a successful manager if he learns to KISS - “Keep it simple, silly", "keep it short and simple", "keep it simple and straightforward" etc. Get the correct mix of players, formation and tactics and then just let the players play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Very clever Thats the one for the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pl00peh91 Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 This is the line that I found the most difficult to read given that the vast majority of last season the players looked completely lost at whatever tactics he was trying to implement. Compare it to now and it’s even more obvious. “First and foremost, it’s to simplify the complexity,” Johnson says, “to be able to relate your ideas and game models to make sure everybody understands. From that, the football club and the team gains an identity but also a structure. It’s a really good organisational tool.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 My God, I'm so glad we got rid of this bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Lrrr said: You do realise the drone still gets used and is more common at other clubs now? Allows a birds eye view of training and view points you wouldn't normally get. Which means eff all during an actual game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, BigTone said: Which means eff all during an actual game What's that got to do with anything? The point is the drone hasn't been taken out after Johnson left and isn't something that was exclusively used by us because of Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Said by many, not just me, Johnson was full of bull*shit, should have been gone much quicker. To sum him up, “showed a lot of promise but never quite delivered”. The club now moves on ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Lrrr said: What's that got to do with anything? The point is the drone hasn't been taken out after Johnson left and isn't something that was exclusively used by us because of Johnson. Oh dear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, BigTone said: Oh dear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggyRed Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Some of these replies are pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said: We aren't the only club in the world to use modern technology in our training. About time we got with the times, we were basically training on school fields for years. There's many things to criticise LJ for, but introducing modern tech into elements of our training probably isn't one of them. Technology is a great servant but a terrible master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 All his 1%, marginal gains, and relentless pursuit for excellence talk is well and good but my first question to him in an interview would be why then did you never finish higher than 8th? That talk works when you can back it up, otherwise you sound like a bit of a prat. The 1% is worth pursuing when you've got most of the other 99% in place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 "First and foremost, it's to simplify the complexity" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: That headline. Classic LJ. “It was about the tactical ideas,” Johnson remembers of his meetings with the rival managerial megastars. “It was interesting because it wasn’t just me firing questions. That’s what impressed me with Guardiola and Mourinho. I don’t think you can be as successful as they are without being top humans, top people. Obviously they’ve got very different media styles, but, in a one-to-one, you can sense they’ve both got a humility.” Have to say, I really do not miss this sort of David Brent drivel. I was just excited Lee obviously thought they might have a shot at the City job one day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Me if I had a pound every time Johnson talks about the NHS, SAS, drones or big TVs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 21 minutes ago, ReggyRed said: Some of these replies are pathetic Honestly don't get the obvious hate for him, it's not like he got us relegated - we were a solid championship side under him. Yeah, it's not the success we all wanted but it hardly warrants the abuse he gets (direct or implied) on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, pongo88 said: One day he may become a successful manager if he learns to KISS - “Keep it simple, silly", "keep it short and simple", "keep it simple and straightforward" etc. Get the correct mix of players, formation and tactics and then just let the players play You’ve just complicated the KISS principle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishreds Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Gary Johnson is a far better manager than his son, and with a successful track record of promotions. He's now at Torquay, so not sure why LJ thinks he's entitled to a Championship management position. Stephen Lansdown has never financially backed a manager like he did LJ, without the largesse of a wealthy owner LJ will struggle. Perhaps he should follow Keith Millen's route assistant manager / coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, BigTone said: Which means eff all during an actual game Not really. It's all part of helping players understand shape in attack and defence. It's a 21st century version of a whiteboard. People are weirdly Luddite about things like this - but if we didn't implement this technology we'd be the ones left behind. It really isn't just us under LJ who used devices like this. LJ is a bit David Brent like and it did get tiresome - but the 1% marginal gains approach to sport is proven to be successful. 51 minutes ago, Lrrr said: What's that got to do with anything? The point is the drone hasn't been taken out after Johnson left and isn't something that was exclusively used by us because of Johnson. Exactly. People act like LJ is the only coach in history that's used modern tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 I always thought LJ was deluded and egotistical, but I can’t believe he genuinely thinks he’s a good communicator and that he cites the SAS for teaching him those skills. Bullshit baffles brains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 23 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: You’ve just complicated the KISS principle LJ did adhere to the KISS principle.....he applied it to Stephen Lansdown's arse at every opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Not really. It's all part of helping players understand shape in attack and defence. It's a 21st century version of a whiteboard. People are weirdly Luddite about things like this - but if we didn't implement this technology we'd be the ones left behind. It really isn't just us under LJ who used devices like this. LJ is a bit David Brent like and it did get tiresome - but the 1% marginal gains approach to sport is proven to be successful. Exactly. People act like LJ is the only coach in history that's used modern tech. Shape etc in training means eff all to shape etc in a game. I understand that others use the same technology but in my mind they over complicate what is a simple game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED4LIFE Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Everything LJ has said in that interview has a certain merit and a lot of it makes sense.... BUT he makes it sound so difficult to understand, especially to 20-something year old footballers. The one thing I don't think he ever got his head around is how to simplify his theories to make them easier to absorb mentally by the players. It became almost as if he was trying to be too clever for his own good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, BigTone said: Shape etc in training means eff all to shape etc in a game. I understand that others use the same technology but in my mind they over complicate what is a simple game. No it doesn’t. The best teams work on shape constantly. It’s not ‘over complicating’ it necessarily - it’s bringing our training in-step with our competitors. We aren’t the only team using modern tech, far from it. It’s a naive point of view to think other teams just train with a set of old bibs and cones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 hours ago, pl00peh91 said: tool.” Being the operative word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: It’s a naive point of view to think other teams just train with a set of old bibs and cones. I didn't say that though did I so please don't try and quote what wasn't implied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, BigTone said: I didn't say that though did I so please don't try and quote what wasn't implied. Obviously not, but you can see the point I’m making. Training techniques and analysis have moved on. People are a bit Luddite about it and see it as ‘superfluous newfangled nonsense’ but the reality is that it’s not just an LJ thing. It’s moving with the times. Using a drone to show shape isn’t strange in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Obviously not, but you can see the point I’m making. Training techniques and analysis have moved on. People are a bit Luddite about it and see it as ‘superfluous newfangled nonsense’ but the reality is that it’s not just an LJ thing. It’s moving with the times. Using a drone to show shape isn’t strange in 2020. I expect it to move into academy footballs younger age groups in some clubs (Cat1 mostly), great educational tool for young players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Obviously not, but you can see the point I’m making. Training techniques and analysis have moved on. People are a bit Luddite about it and see it as ‘superfluous newfangled nonsense’ but the reality is that it’s not just an LJ thing. It’s moving with the times. Using a drone to show shape isn’t strange in 2020. Never said it was and just said I didn't see the point. Anyone who has played the game will understand that shape in training is rarely the same as shape in an actual game. If it was then it would be all to easy. Why is it not the same ? I suppose team tactics (for both sides) could be one reasonable answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, BigTone said: Never said it was and just said I didn't see the point. Anyone who has played the game will understand that shape in training is rarely the same as shape in an actual game. If it was then it would be all to easy. Why is it not the same ? I suppose team tactics (for both sides) could be one reasonable answer. I’m not so sure. I think it probably is very useful. Same principle as a traditional whiteboard but obviously much more interactive. Cotterill was obsessed with shape work in training apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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