Super Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 What do people make of this? Being talked about more than the game. Obviously should not be doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 Yellow card for hand on an official, but you get the feeling she didn’t flag it or tell the ref so as to seemingly blow up the issue. She probably would have got a ton of abuse on social media if she’d called for the yellow card despite it being the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pl00peh91 Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 I can’t imagine he’s overtly sexist but it is an indicator of an implicit bias against women in that role - he wouldn’t have done that if it was a man as I don’t recall ever seeing it. It’ll be a useful clip to educate people to become more aware of their behaviour and I’m glad it’s being highlighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 Utterly ridiculous. What did he think he was doing!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pl00peh91 Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 Just now, Badger08 said: The ref yesterday put his arm around one of our players. Whats the difference? If this was a male ref, would this even be a thing? The fact that he’s touching the inside of her neck and she clearly looked comfortable about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Badger08 said: He's not being aggressive is he? I've only seen the still, but he's in a position that doesn't look any different to what I would be if he was having the same conversation with anyone else. Again, if it was a man would this even be mentioned? So let me get this straight, you treat women differently, you get slaughtered, you treat the the same you get slaughtered. Has she complained? Do you know she is uncomfortable as it's not clear to me. Just another blown out of proportion story for people to get their knickers in a twist about. Surprised nobody as mention covid too. Nothing to see here move along. I’d recommend having a look at the clip rather than just the still. The clip is a bit more revealing about the body language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Badger08 said: He's not being aggressive is he? I've only seen the still, but he's in a position that doesn't look any different to what I would be if he was having the same conversation with anyone else. Again, if it was a man would this even be mentioned? So let me get this straight, you treat women differently, you get slaughtered, you treat the the same you get slaughtered. Has she complained? Do you know she is uncomfortable as it's not clear to me. Just another blown out of proportion story for people to get their knickers in a twist about. Surprised nobody as mention covid too. Nothing to see here move along. Not sure the fact he isnt being aggressive is relevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 You see it quite often with male referees. Think it is only a story because it was a woman. It isn’t a great look where he puts his hand but to be fair think she had started moving with play again and the hand was meant as a friendly pat towards the shoulder. They are in the middle of a big game and how I saw it was he was over the top about the decision and was slightly apologising. Think how I would have handled it anyway. I am all for women being involved in football. So the rule needs to be universal. No touching a referee at all. It is seemingly ok for there to be pats on shoulders and fist bumps. So no matter who is out there it should either be ok or not ok. Think the reaction would have been the same for any referee so wouldn’t it be more of an issue if he didn’t? Idk what is right or wrong anymore tbf but I don’t think there was malice or any kind of intimidation going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 I’ve seen players touch the officials many times, possibly not so convincingly as this...around the back of the neck. Could be seen as an unconscious attempt to control and impose authority through a passive sexual advance. Obviously it’s going to be different because it’s man/woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 Something tells me this thread could be some good Sunday entertainment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Phileas Fogg said: I’d recommend having a look at the clip rather than just the still. The clip is a bit more revealing about the body language. Think she is just startled as was focusing on the game. It is a bit off if you have to be nicer to her or treat her any differently than a male referee. Like I said in my post just now. Make it universal no touching or dissent towards referees. Otherwise this can be a debate so often as women become more involved in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted October 18, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I’d recommend having a look at the clip rather than just the still. The clip is a bit more revealing about the body language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 A man dare not even touch a woman nowadays without the fear of being accused of assault. Some even seem to think it's a crime to look at a woman. Get intimate and she'll try to take you for every penny she can. The world has gone bonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 Ridiculous thing to do, especially to a female official and the fact we're in a pandemic. A slap on the wrist for Mr Ageuro and as long as she's happy, move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 Yes, Mrs F was talking about it last night (she hates football, so I was a bit shocked). I’d only seen the still and thought little of it. But the whole clip reveals more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: A man dare not even touch a woman nowadays without the fear of being accused of assault. Some even seem to think it's a crime to look at a woman. Get intimate and she'll try to take you for every penny she can. The world has gone bonkers. You’re certainly not allowed to touch a woman in a professional situation in her place of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 Has she complained ? If she hasn’t then don’t feel the need to complain for her. As others have said it wasn’t aggressive on his behalf. I agree it looked a bit creepy perhaps but she shrugged it off and got on with it. We do live in an overly sensitive world now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, Badger08 said: He's not being aggressive is he? I've only seen the still, but he's in a position that doesn't look any different to what I would be if he was having the same conversation with anyone else. Again, if it was a man would this even be mentioned? So let me get this straight, you treat women differently, you get slaughtered, you treat the the same you get slaughtered. Has she complained? Do you know she is uncomfortable as it's not clear to me. Just another blown out of proportion story for people to get their knickers in a twist about. Surprised nobody as mention covid too. Nothing to see here move along. Exactly this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: Think she is just startled as was focusing on the game. It is a bit off if you have to be nicer to her or treat her any differently than a male referee. Like I said in my post just now. Make it universal no touching or dissent towards referees. Otherwise this can be a debate so often as women become more involved in the game. It’s not about being nicer, it is about treating her professionally and with respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 1 minute ago, exAtyeoMax said: You’re certainly not allowed to touch a woman in a professional situation in her place of work. Depends on your definition of professional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 Just now, wendyredredrobin said: Depends on your definition of professional You obviously mean profession. It would still be on her terms... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 The question here is whether he’d have done the same to a male official. If he wouldn’t, then there’s obviously an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: Has she complained ? If she hasn’t then don’t feel the need to complain for her. As others have said it wasn’t aggressive on his behalf. I agree it looked a bit creepy perhaps but she shrugged it off and got on with it. We do live in an overly sensitive world now This is the problem, too many getting offended on behalf of others. She hasn't complained as of yet, so leave it at that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 36 minutes ago, Super said: What do people make of this? Being talked about more than the game. Obviously should not be doing it. Total non story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 Just now, Lew-T said: Total non story. Considering its being talked about more than the game it certainly isnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: A man dare not even touch a woman nowadays without the fear of being accused of assault. Some even seem to think it's a crime to look at a woman. Get intimate and she'll try to take you for every penny she can. The world has gone bonkers. The 1970s called, it wants its' views back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 I've seen it happen many of times with male referees. Never a word said.So its being blown up as she is a women? Why should that matter? The fact she's running the line shows that gender isn't an issue. Same old press completely blowing things out of proportion. Its popular to do these days, whether its race, gender, sexual preference. The shit world we live in i'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 Absolutely nothing in this. If it was a male official nobody would be saying a word. Move along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: It’s not about being nicer, it is about treating her professionally and with respect. And you see the same thing with male refs. Everyone reading far too much into it. He didn’t treat her any differently than he would a linesman. No one bats an eyelid when players scream at refs to **** off but a friendly pat on the shoulder to a lineswoman and everyone goes mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted October 18, 2020 Report Share Posted October 18, 2020 38 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: You’re certainly not allowed to touch a woman in a professional situation in her place of work. Hmm, might have to rethink my plans to frequent the massage parlour tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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