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19 minutes ago, Garland-sweden said:

Seldom I get angry but that Bentley- Moore thing get me mad. Horrible is the word. From a young kid you know that the last man dont dribble. And what was Bentley doing? Pass the ball straight forward in our central box. Instead of pass the ball back our player tries to dribble. It is so bad that I dont comment the situation anymore. When things like that happen a team deserves to lose. The game had 0-0 written. Dont care about way of playing their manager and so on. This was more than dreadful. Maybe Im a dinousar but the ball still have to go forward. Only time I went angry is when we make silly, a kind word, things in our box. This I will never forget. Anyway another game on saturday COYR!!!

Bentley is inconsistent, he can be brilliant or calamitous. 

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16 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Again you are being a bit naive in not realising that anyone can set up a website. The website itself states that it is "not affiliated with the @UKBLM Twitter account or Black Matters USA. None of these things are affiliated because there is no organisation, just some people who have set up some websites.

You could set up a Black Lives Matter website tomorrow if you wanted to, or I could. You or I could put whatever you wanted on there but we'd not suddenly turn Black Lives Matter into an organisation by doing so. You seem to confuse "someone having set up a website" with "an organised organsiation actually existing".  The people behind that website did not come up with the slogan, are not coordinating the protests and are not the reason people turn up to them. They are literally some people who have set up a website and nothing more. 

If you are going to show stats, you may want to check them. There were actualy 1004 people shot by the US police in 2019. 370 white, 235 black, 158 hispanic, 39 other and 202 of an unrecorded ethnicity.

However non-hispanic white people make up 60.7% of the US population, and black people make up 12% of the US population. There are 5 times more white people than black people in the US but only 1.5 times more white people than black people shot by police. The stats therefore suggest black people are shot at a disproportionate rate. 

That bloody free kick though eh? What were they playing at..

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4 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

I'm still trying to get my head around that free kick at the end. One last chance to put it in the mixer, and we play it back to the keeper  :laugh: Classic

Summed it up for me. Even when behind we were constantly playing the ball backwards. Holdenball was supposedly about attacking football - where was that tonight? 

What really gets to me is that as soon as we lose and the lack of quality in midfield becomes obvious we get multiple posts about Walsh and Williams being the answer. We'll see - Walsh certainly didn't look an answer in the games he played for us before his loan. 

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After a horrendously low quality 1st half, there was barely any improvement at all in the 2nd.

We've become accustomed to Holden and co turning our performances around, a la Sheffield Wednesday at home and Barnsley away, but no such impact this time.

The defending was largely solid, but there was too much of it. 

The midfield didn't seem to have a plan. We didn't play between the lines, or switch the play, or play one-twos, or overlaps....

Bakinson's passing was completely off, but at least he kept showing for the ball, which didn't seem to be the same with Pato and Weimann. 

When the ball did eventually reach Wells and Martin, they were usually under pressure or reaching for the ball and didn't seem to know what the plan was either, save for one lovely touch from Martin to play Wells in at an awkward angle. Wells smashed the shot into row Z.

Forget about Warnock or Boro shithousery (which I thought City fans love nowadays?!)

This was about us lacking energy and showing no real quality. It ended with us lumping balls to Diedhiou and neglecting to put set-pieces in the danger area. Start badly, end badly.

We really need those midfield options. The Mawson injury feels strangely predictable and now we'll probably be playing a right footer on the left side.

Kalas was perhaps our best player? He looked up for it in his 30 minutes and it'll be good to have him in the side. 

Holden is free now to make changes, and this will be his most stressful few days as head coach so far.

He has spoken on many occasions about the importance of momentum, and defeat at Swansea would indicate the tide has turned. He'll be desperate to avoid that.

 

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34 minutes ago, RedNachos said:

Valid argument. I think the knee taking in football is key and should still be prominent however, the impact it has had has been successful as football is a worldwide sport with immense popularity, therefore racists football fans (while a very small minority here) do exist. A global superstar kneeling down and showing they are against racism will influence millions of children growing up in predominantly racist areas and will give a strong sense of second view , no one is born a racist, influence is key. The influence while not coming into play overwhelmingly now may do later and in years to come, as future generations grow up with the understanding it has absolutely no place in society. One small step can make a big impact. 

I don’t think we take time to recognize the steps already made. I think it’s a very modern trait to accentuate the worst. I think at my core I have some socialist leanings yet I cannot help but listen to people like Thomas Sowell and other voices in America who seem to be ignored because their opinions do not fit the current trend. To be honest I think I disagree with his strong alignment to Milton Friedman but I struggle to argue against his views on on the facts regarding the struggle of African Americans compared to other ethnic minorities (including first or second generation west African immigrants who do exceptionally well in the US!). Indeed he is at pains to point out that long standing European Americans do as badly as long standing African Americans and that socio economic factors are a larger issue than race. Colman Hughes would very powerfully argue that whilst racism is an affront to our values it is not even in the top 10 of issues facing minorities in the UK and US.
 

If you want to help, take a knee against the ever burgeoning wage gap. It’s a far bigger problem than racism that the young of any colour face in either country.

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51 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

‘It was our game to manage’?  Why?  Boro clearly set out to block everything we tried to do.  If you seek to simply negate everything the opposition does, then you are the ones managing.  That’s what Warnock does, and some people wanted him for our manager.  God help us and god help football.

Didn't Boro have more chances that us? I  Can't think of any team that were denied promotion because some nasty man made it hard for them in any given game.

Oh boo,hoo that ****** Warnock man done it again tonight again,make it stop dad.

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Crap performance, crap result.  Sometimes it happens.

It's very easy to make a midfield with few outlets look weak, just be very cautious and defend deeply enough.

No need to have a revolution just yet but some of our results so far have been better than our performances, which not many have acknowledged.

If we don't improve quite a bit over the next few games and the great point return we've had so far starts to look like a blip we might have to rethink whether this shape and approach is right.

Quite early to panic though.

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7 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

And your professional qualification(s) qualifying you to utter such a 'profound' statement is/are....? 

In fairness the look on his face perhaps said it all, it looked like recognition of what he’d done, and the fact he didn’t want to put weight on it at all. You got the impression he knew it was a bad one. Fingers crossed not only for us but him. 

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Not wishing to avoid the fact we were woeful tonight and deserved nothing from that performance however did notice that top of the table Reading had just one shot on target against Wycombe tonight.....which is one more than we managed against Boro - funny old game init? 

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1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said:

Again you are being a bit naive in not realising that anyone can set up a website. The website itself states that it is "not affiliated with the @UKBLM Twitter account or Black Matters USA. None of these things are affiliated because there is no organisation, just some people who have set up some websites.

You could set up a Black Lives Matter website tomorrow if you wanted to, or I could. You or I could put whatever you wanted on there but we'd not suddenly turn Black Lives Matter into an organisation by doing so. You seem to confuse "someone having set up a website" with "an organised organsiation actually existing".  The people behind that website did not come up with the slogan, are not coordinating the protests and are not the reason people turn up to them. They are literally some people who have set up a website and nothing more. 

If you are going to show stats, you may want to check them. There were actualy 1004 people shot by the US police in 2019. 370 white, 235 black, 158 hispanic, 39 other and 202 of an unrecorded ethnicity.

However non-hispanic white people make up 60.7% of the US population, and black people make up 12% of the US population. There are 5 times more white people than black people in the US but only 1.5 times more white people than black people shot by police. The stats therefore suggest black people are shot at a disproportionate rate. 

What are the respective crime figures though? statistics probably show that black people commit far more of the types of crime liable to get them shot they make up a huge proportion of the prison population in the US as well way out of proportion to their numbers that is not all down to them being picked on is it.

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So glad I was out tonight and didn't anchor myself around listening to City.

It's surely no surprise to anyone: We were poor first half against Barnsley, and second half against Forest. I can't exactly say we were very convincing against Coventry.

I'm not sure we really have the quality to do that much this season. This initial quick burst may be the blip. This result may be the usual.

Hope I'm proved wrong.

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1 hour ago, pillred said:

What are the respective crime figures though? statistics probably show that black people commit far more of the types of crime liable to get them shot they make up a huge proportion of the prison population in the US as well way out of proportion to their numbers that is not all down to them being picked on is it.

 

Statistics also show that when black people and white people come before US courts on identical charges, it's the black people who attract the heavier sentences. Statistics also show that black people resisting arrest are more likely to be shot by police than white people resisting arrest; and black people carrying weapons are more likely to be shot dead by police than white people carrying weapons.

THAT is the genesis of BLM. 

It doesn't even need to be a conscious thing. It's the insidious racism contained in those facts that led to protests. 

Not just about one death, but hundreds. Over the decades, probably thousands. 

Edit: Maybe try to contest these facts rather than just looked confused @2015

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29 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Statistics also show that when black people and white people come before US courts on identical charges, it's the black people who attract the heavier sentences. Statistics also show that black people resisting arrest are more likely to be shot by police than white people resisting arrest; and black people carrying weapons are more likely to be shot dead by police than white people carrying weapons.

THAT is the genesis of BLM. 

It doesn't even need to be a conscious thing. It's the insidious racism contained in those facts that led to protests. 

Not just about one death, but hundreds. Over the decades, probably thousands. 

Edit: Maybe try to contest these facts rather than just looked confused @2015

If your figures are correct then that's a worrying thing, I would like to think the police are a lot less likely to be influenced by a persons colour in this country though I don't have any statistics on it.

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7 hours ago, Lew-T said:

Every side in this division winning 0-1 away from home would be doing the same. Guarantee we will be doing the same at Swansea next week if we get the chance.

We lost the game because of our performance tonight, not the opposition. 

We are at home though, but I get your point.

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8 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

Statistics also show that when black people and white people come before US courts on identical charges, it's the black people who attract the heavier sentences. Statistics also show that black people resisting arrest are more likely to be shot by police than white people resisting arrest; and black people carrying weapons are more likely to be shot dead by police than white people carrying weapons.

THAT is the genesis of BLM. 

It doesn't even need to be a conscious thing. It's the insidious racism contained in those facts that led to protests. 

Not just about one death, but hundreds. Over the decades, probably thousands. 

Edit: Maybe try to contest these facts rather than just looked confused @2015

Statistics also show the many more black people kill black people than white people do in America if you want to @ me and be confused by my comments. Pathetic.


I am sick and tired of this narrative that every country in the West is racist and people have been oppressed for the past 40-50 years. When will people realise Western civilization is the most forward thinking, liberal places ever right now in History. There will always be 'victims' and those who feel they are 'oppressed', they are not. Everyone is given a fair crack of the whip providing they work hard and get on with their lives. 
Statistics also would show you more Black people are in gangs in US and yeah that's probably down to where they live in the States, but I think the biggest issue is broken homes which have risen at a rapid rate with black families and the culture of the white guy is our enemy. We've moved on from that.

Sorry you had to @ me.

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1 hour ago, 2015 said:

Statistics also show the many more black people kill black people than white people do in America if you want to @ me and be confused by my comments. Pathetic.


I am sick and tired of this narrative that every country in the West is racist and people have been oppressed for the past 40-50 years. When will people realise Western civilization is the most forward thinking, liberal places ever right now in History. There will always be 'victims' and those who feel they are 'oppressed', they are not. Everyone is given a fair crack of the whip providing they work hard and get on with their lives. 
Statistics also would show you more Black people are in gangs in US and yeah that's probably down to where they live in the States, but I think the biggest issue is broken homes which have risen at a rapid rate with black families and the culture of the white guy is our enemy. We've moved on from that.

Sorry you had to @ me.

It's hard to have a reasoned debate on this subject without being branded racist if you don't toe the expected line, using the argument of hardship and poverty to explain more black people committing crime is an example, without going into detail I personally had a very poor start in life spending most of my childhood in foster homes and in the care of the local authority yet not once did I ever think that stealing somebody else's property or dealing drugs was the answer. 

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4 hours ago, 2015 said:

Statistics also show the many more black people kill black people than white people do in America if you want to @ me and be confused by my comments. Pathetic.

 

 

That's neither here or there. That's like saying "more white people kill white people". A total irrelevance. The fact you post it shows you are utterly clueless as to what the issue is.

The issue is people being killed by the police when the police are under no threat. Police, in case I need to remind you, are meant to be protecting people. If you are a black American you are at many times the risk of being killed by a cop in America than if you are white (although the stats of white Americans killed by cops are outrageous as well!) It can basically be proved that no matter how you behave, your life is in more danger from encounters with the law over there if you are darker skinned. The darker your skin, the greater the risk of being seriously injured or killed.

People want that to change. That's a reasonable enough request.

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12 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Statistics also show that when black people and white people come before US courts on identical charges, it's the black people who attract the heavier sentences. Statistics also show that black people resisting arrest are more likely to be shot by police than white people resisting arrest; and black people carrying weapons are more likely to be shot dead by police than white people carrying weapons.

THAT is the genesis of BLM. 

It doesn't even need to be a conscious thing. It's the insidious racism contained in those facts that led to protests. 

Not just about one death, but hundreds. Over the decades, probably thousands. 

Edit: Maybe try to contest these facts rather than just looked confused @2015

That may well be the case in the US but is there a statistic for the racial status of the people carrying out the violent crime and stabbings in our cities - I doubt very much that many of them are white British. racial prejudice is very wrong but BLM will end up meaning nothing if those ethnic communities don’t start to reign in their own thugs. In Bristol perhaps Easton and Barton hill would be nice places to live again!

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1 minute ago, dave36 said:

That may well be the case in the US but is there a statistic for the racial status of the people carrying out the violent crime and stabbings in our cities - I doubt very much that many of them are white British. racial prejudice is very wrong but BLM will end up meaning nothing if those ethnic communities don’t start to reign in their own thugs. In Bristol perhaps Easton and Barton hill would be nice places to live again!

 

Again, that's a different issue from what I was talking about which is why the BLM came about.

The BLM movement doesn't mean all black people are great and all whiteys are awful. It stands for equality.

(BTW was Barton Hill ever a nice place to live?)

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