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City v Middlesbrough Matchday Thread


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11 minutes ago, Alan Dicks said:

Our passing in the last two games has been atrocious, many many balls don’t reach a City team mate which immediately puts the opposition in the driving seat free of charge 

Yes this is the most worrying part. I was pleased with our passing in the first 4 matches. 

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The movement in and around the box seemed as if they had all been on seperate training sessions. It went beyond being on a different wave length. There were potentially some good moves but every time the intended receiver of the ball appeared to be dodging out of the way?

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23 minutes ago, pillred said:

it has to end sometime don't you think by now the point has been made?

Well no, I've been arguing for racial equality for over forty years. Many have been fighting for it for far longer. So no, until the problem goes away and people stop discriminating, let's carry on, yeah? 

Rude Boys. 

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3 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Nor does anyone else. The "organisation" you refer to does not exist. BLM is a slogan, not an organised movement. Yes, someone has set up a BLM UK website or Twitter feed or whatever but I could very easily set up a Twitter account calling myself "True Bristol City fan" and it wouldn't suddenly make me the official voice of Bristol City fans or some kind of Bristol City supporters organisation.

Being honest, you're being a tad gullible in letting people convince you Black Lives Matter is an organisation. It isn't. 

https://blacklivesmatter.uk

It's political and no one has convinced me it's an organisation, because it is. They intend to change government structures and push far left ideolegies.

Black lives do matter, just sadly you will always get a few idiots about who are bigots. You also get black bigots, muslim bigots, latin bigots, asian bigots.

We are lucky we live in a society that accepts all and we have come a long way since the days of National Front movements. 

I don't even need to show the stats but more White people were killed by cops in 2019 than Black people in USA. 18 White. 9 Black. Police have an issue with brutality in general and some cops may be racist.

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Seldom I get angry but that Bentley- Moore thing get me mad. Horrible is the word. From a young kid you know that the last man dont dribble. And what was Bentley doing? Pass the ball straight forward in our central box. Instead of pass the ball back our player tries to dribble. It is so bad that I dont comment the situation anymore. When things like that happen a team deserves to lose. The game had 0-0 written. Dont care about way of playing their manager and so on. This was more than dreadful. Maybe Im a dinousar but the ball still have to go forward. Only time I went angry is when we make silly, a kind word, things in our box. This I will never forget. Anyway another game on saturday COYR!!!

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1 minute ago, 054123 said:

Because where does it start and where does it end? To my mind it’s not actually calling for anything other than giving another human respect, which I already do.

If taking a knee could actually articulate the change it was trying to facilitate, I could understand it. As it is, it’s like saying ‘ take a knee if you think racism is bad’. I think that already, we think that already, this country thinks that already.

You cannot or will not stop some of the horrible, bigoted tendencies of some humans, in every single country in this world. It’s a vile survivalist like trait that exists everywhere.

All you can do is in your own way strive to ensure that the colour of somebody’s skin is given the consideration it’s minuscule amount of the genome deserves and instead give your attention and consideration to the person they are. Strive to ensure that the country you live in legislates for equity of opportunity and not outcome and punishes those adequately who we feel do not live by these values.

We are fortunate to live in Western Europe, as these countries strive to ensure that and protect it, and do so as well as any country can right now. The number and origin of the refugees and asylum seekers who risk their lives daily to get here are testament to that.

 

 

 

 

Valid argument. I think the knee taking in football is key and should still be prominent however, the impact it has had has been successful as football is a worldwide sport with immense popularity, therefore racists football fans (while a very small minority here) do exist. A global superstar kneeling down and showing they are against racism will influence millions of children growing up in predominantly racist areas and will give a strong sense of second view , no one is born a racist, influence is key. The influence while not coming into play overwhelmingly now may do later and in years to come, as future generations grow up with the understanding it has absolutely no place in society. One small step can make a big impact. 

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7 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

I think your use of the word ‘lazy’ is uncalled for.  Taylor Moore made a misjudgement, but not out of laziness.  He’s young and all players make mistakes.  Give him (and Bakinson) a break.

There’s lazy of thought and lazy in physicality.

Bakinson was worrying me in the first half as he didn't look 100% on it, 95% maybe, but that’s not good enough. He needed to be 100% when he received that ball in the second half near the half way line and wasn’t. 

Moore wasn’t lazy physically he just wasn’t totally switched on mentally to the situation he found himself in. That’s ‘lazy of thought’ in my view but if you want to call that ‘misjudgement’ so be it. 

Young players, yes. They need to learn though and quick. Expensive mistakes at any level, particularly the Championship.  We’ve lost a point and player there. 

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19 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Jesus...

His team has just beaten the league leaders away from home ... our fans would be creaming over our gaffer if he’d done that ... you can’t argue against Warnock’s achievements - no-one can better them  - do you want streetwise, gritty and successful or pretty and treading water? In our entire history we’ve only employed one manager who had managed at the top level before he joined us ... just one, and he lasted just a couple of games ... “Jesus” - such a lazy reply which probably reflects the ambitions of a large percentage of our fan base - scared of success, happy to ‘nearly get there’ ... have a good evening 🍷

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Just now, BS4 on Tour... said:

His team has just beaten the league leaders away from home ... our fans would be creaming over our gaffer if he’d done that ... you can’t argue against Warnock’s achievements - no-one can better them  - do you want streetwise, gritty and successful or pretty and treading water? In our entire history we’ve only employed one manager who had managed at the top level before he joined us ... just one, and he lasted just a couple of games ... “Jesus” - such a lazy reply which probably reflects the ambitions of a large percentage of our fan base - scared of success, happy to ‘nearly get there’ ... have a good evening 🍷

The bloke is a Winner, would love him as my boss. Old school and no nonsense

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Just now, 2015 said:

https://blacklivesmatter.uk

It's political and no one has convinced me it's an organisation, because it is. They intend to change government structures and push far left ideolegies.

Black lives do matter, just sadly you will always get a few idiots about who are bigots. You also get black bigots, muslim bigots, latin bigots, asian bigots.

We are lucky we live in a society that accepts all and we have come a long way since the days of National Front movements. 

I don't even need to show the stats but more White people were killed by cops in 2019 than Black people in USA. 18 White. 9 Black. Police have an issue with brutality in general and some cops may be racist.

Again you are being a bit naive in not realising that anyone can set up a website. The website itself states that it is "not affiliated with the @UKBLM Twitter account or Black Matters USA. None of these things are affiliated because there is no organisation, just some people who have set up some websites.

You could set up a Black Lives Matter website tomorrow if you wanted to, or I could. You or I could put whatever you wanted on there but we'd not suddenly turn Black Lives Matter into an organisation by doing so. You seem to confuse "someone having set up a website" with "an organised organsiation actually existing".  The people behind that website did not come up with the slogan, are not coordinating the protests and are not the reason people turn up to them. They are literally some people who have set up a website and nothing more. 

If you are going to show stats, you may want to check them. There were actualy 1004 people shot by the US police in 2019. 370 white, 235 black, 158 hispanic, 39 other and 202 of an unrecorded ethnicity.

However non-hispanic white people make up 60.7% of the US population, and black people make up 12% of the US population. There are 5 times more white people than black people in the US but only 1.5 times more white people than black people shot by police. The stats therefore suggest black people are shot at a disproportionate rate. 

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1 minute ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

His team has just beaten the league leaders away from home ... our fans would be creaming over our gaffer if he’d done that ... you can’t argue against Warnock’s achievements - no-one can better them  - do you want streetwise, gritty and successful or pretty and treading water? In our entire history we’ve only employed one manager who had managed at the top level before he joined us ... just one, and he lasted just a couple of games ... “Jesus” - such a lazy reply which probably reflects the ambitions of a large percentage of our fan base - scared of success, happy to ‘nearly get there’ ... have a good evening 🍷

 

Cotts was someone that character-wise at least was from the Warnock School of Management. 

He wasn’t very successful though was he 😀

 

Anyhow, Holden’s doing good ...the key now is how he will deal with Saturday. Onwards and upwards. 

 

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13 minutes ago, 2015 said:

https://blacklivesmatter.uk

It's political and no one has convinced me it's an organisation, because it is. They intend to change government structures and push far left ideolegies.

Black lives do matter, just sadly you will always get a few idiots about who are bigots. You also get black bigots, muslim bigots, latin bigots, asian bigots.

We are lucky we live in a society that accepts all and we have come a long way since the days of National Front movements. 

I don't even need to show the stats but more White people were killed by cops in 2019 than Black people in USA. 18 White. 9 Black. Police have an issue with brutality in general and some cops may be racist.

Mate, I've said it before but opposing racial discrimination is not left wing, it is not political and is not politically correct.

It is just correct. 

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19 minutes ago, Garland-sweden said:

Seldom I get angry but that Bentley- Moore thing get me mad. Horrible is the word. From a young kid you know that the last man dont dribble. And what was Bentley doing? Pass the ball straight forward in our central box. Instead of pass the ball back our player tries to dribble. It is so bad that I dont comment the situation anymore. When things like that happen a team deserves to lose. The game had 0-0 written. Dont care about way of playing their manager and so on. This was more than dreadful. Maybe Im a dinousar but the ball still have to go forward. Only time I went angry is when we make silly, a kind word, things in our box. This I will never forget. Anyway another game on saturday COYR!!!

Bentley is inconsistent, he can be brilliant or calamitous. 

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16 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Again you are being a bit naive in not realising that anyone can set up a website. The website itself states that it is "not affiliated with the @UKBLM Twitter account or Black Matters USA. None of these things are affiliated because there is no organisation, just some people who have set up some websites.

You could set up a Black Lives Matter website tomorrow if you wanted to, or I could. You or I could put whatever you wanted on there but we'd not suddenly turn Black Lives Matter into an organisation by doing so. You seem to confuse "someone having set up a website" with "an organised organsiation actually existing".  The people behind that website did not come up with the slogan, are not coordinating the protests and are not the reason people turn up to them. They are literally some people who have set up a website and nothing more. 

If you are going to show stats, you may want to check them. There were actualy 1004 people shot by the US police in 2019. 370 white, 235 black, 158 hispanic, 39 other and 202 of an unrecorded ethnicity.

However non-hispanic white people make up 60.7% of the US population, and black people make up 12% of the US population. There are 5 times more white people than black people in the US but only 1.5 times more white people than black people shot by police. The stats therefore suggest black people are shot at a disproportionate rate. 

That bloody free kick though eh? What were they playing at..

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4 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

I'm still trying to get my head around that free kick at the end. One last chance to put it in the mixer, and we play it back to the keeper  :laugh: Classic

Summed it up for me. Even when behind we were constantly playing the ball backwards. Holdenball was supposedly about attacking football - where was that tonight? 

What really gets to me is that as soon as we lose and the lack of quality in midfield becomes obvious we get multiple posts about Walsh and Williams being the answer. We'll see - Walsh certainly didn't look an answer in the games he played for us before his loan. 

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After a horrendously low quality 1st half, there was barely any improvement at all in the 2nd.

We've become accustomed to Holden and co turning our performances around, a la Sheffield Wednesday at home and Barnsley away, but no such impact this time.

The defending was largely solid, but there was too much of it. 

The midfield didn't seem to have a plan. We didn't play between the lines, or switch the play, or play one-twos, or overlaps....

Bakinson's passing was completely off, but at least he kept showing for the ball, which didn't seem to be the same with Pato and Weimann. 

When the ball did eventually reach Wells and Martin, they were usually under pressure or reaching for the ball and didn't seem to know what the plan was either, save for one lovely touch from Martin to play Wells in at an awkward angle. Wells smashed the shot into row Z.

Forget about Warnock or Boro shithousery (which I thought City fans love nowadays?!)

This was about us lacking energy and showing no real quality. It ended with us lumping balls to Diedhiou and neglecting to put set-pieces in the danger area. Start badly, end badly.

We really need those midfield options. The Mawson injury feels strangely predictable and now we'll probably be playing a right footer on the left side.

Kalas was perhaps our best player? He looked up for it in his 30 minutes and it'll be good to have him in the side. 

Holden is free now to make changes, and this will be his most stressful few days as head coach so far.

He has spoken on many occasions about the importance of momentum, and defeat at Swansea would indicate the tide has turned. He'll be desperate to avoid that.

 

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34 minutes ago, RedNachos said:

Valid argument. I think the knee taking in football is key and should still be prominent however, the impact it has had has been successful as football is a worldwide sport with immense popularity, therefore racists football fans (while a very small minority here) do exist. A global superstar kneeling down and showing they are against racism will influence millions of children growing up in predominantly racist areas and will give a strong sense of second view , no one is born a racist, influence is key. The influence while not coming into play overwhelmingly now may do later and in years to come, as future generations grow up with the understanding it has absolutely no place in society. One small step can make a big impact. 

I don’t think we take time to recognize the steps already made. I think it’s a very modern trait to accentuate the worst. I think at my core I have some socialist leanings yet I cannot help but listen to people like Thomas Sowell and other voices in America who seem to be ignored because their opinions do not fit the current trend. To be honest I think I disagree with his strong alignment to Milton Friedman but I struggle to argue against his views on on the facts regarding the struggle of African Americans compared to other ethnic minorities (including first or second generation west African immigrants who do exceptionally well in the US!). Indeed he is at pains to point out that long standing European Americans do as badly as long standing African Americans and that socio economic factors are a larger issue than race. Colman Hughes would very powerfully argue that whilst racism is an affront to our values it is not even in the top 10 of issues facing minorities in the UK and US.
 

If you want to help, take a knee against the ever burgeoning wage gap. It’s a far bigger problem than racism that the young of any colour face in either country.

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51 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

‘It was our game to manage’?  Why?  Boro clearly set out to block everything we tried to do.  If you seek to simply negate everything the opposition does, then you are the ones managing.  That’s what Warnock does, and some people wanted him for our manager.  God help us and god help football.

Didn't Boro have more chances that us? I  Can't think of any team that were denied promotion because some nasty man made it hard for them in any given game.

Oh boo,hoo that ****** Warnock man done it again tonight again,make it stop dad.

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