Red-Robbo Posted November 11, 2020 Report Share Posted November 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Son of Fred said: Does a bear shit in the woods??.... Probably a disciplinary offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted November 11, 2020 Report Share Posted November 11, 2020 51 minutes ago, Moments of Pleasure said: Which one? The middle one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted November 11, 2020 Report Share Posted November 11, 2020 25 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Yeah I get the feeling we will be going back to 352. Vyner - Mariappa - Kalas? Kalas doesn't look bad left side Potentially strong that. Mariappa dependent of course. Hope he's still up to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted November 11, 2020 Report Share Posted November 11, 2020 2 hours ago, steviestevieneville said: He’s got nearly 200 games in the prem behind him . I think that tells everything it needs to My post was one of wanting to know what type of player he was and if there is a negative to his height. Of course he has certain attributes to have made so many appearances but, what if his central defensive partner/partners, were blessed with the extra height to compliment him and his abilities, while we at present are not blessed with players with that extra height, as last Friday showed. Thanks for the post though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted November 11, 2020 Report Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Sheltons Army said: Think this short video may ease your concerns - aggressive , and there’s a bit where he out jumps a certain Highly heralded Liverpool Centre Half Thanks for that, interesting viewing. He certainly does have a will to win nature about him and might chip in with the odd goal as well, something we've been missing from the center backs for a while. A welcome addition in this time of attrition for defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted November 11, 2020 Report Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Past it....in terms of his peak....yes. Not past it in being perfectly adequate for us. He was better for us than he was at Stoke (from the games against us and the ones I saw on tv). He told me he wasn’t happy at the end of his time at Stoke, and had no plans to go there permanently had they been interested. Yep, made same point earlier in this thread. Can’t say I’ve seen tonnes from him over the years, but he always struck me as a good, solid defender who was comfortable enough on the ball. Good signing on the deal done. Good clips but spoilt my the crap soundtrack.....I had to mute my device.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted November 11, 2020 Report Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Past it....in terms of his peak....yes. Not past it in being perfectly adequate for us. First few games I’d agree he was adequate but his sending off reinforced his ‘thug’ reputation and the two dreadful mistakes against the Baggies did it for me. He provided reasonable cover in what were dire straits for City at the time but hey ho........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 11, 2020 Report Share Posted November 11, 2020 17 minutes ago, Rich said: Thanks for that, interesting viewing. He certainly does have a will to win nature about him and might chip in with the odd goal as well, something we've been missing from the center backs for a while. A welcome addition in this time of attrition for defenders. Admire your optimism, he hasn’t scored in 7 and a half years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted November 11, 2020 Report Share Posted November 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Admire your optimism, he hasn’t scored in 7 and a half years! Which seven and a half years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Robin Posted November 11, 2020 Report Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 hour ago, JonDolman said: Yeah I get the feeling we will be going back to 352. Vyner - Mariappa - Kalas? Kalas doesn't look bad left side Hope not...we have looked more solid with 4 at the back and 4 in midfield. I personally don't think our left and right backs are good enough to be wing backs....best as regular full backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted November 11, 2020 Report Share Posted November 11, 2020 46 minutes ago, Robbored said: Good clips but spoilt my the crap soundtrack.....I had to mute my device.......... Speakers working well then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 11, 2020 Report Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Good clips but spoilt my the crap soundtrack.....I had to mute my device.......... Not my clips, nor did I post the video either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 11, 2020 Report Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Robbored said: First few games I’d agree he was adequate but his sending off reinforced his ‘thug’ reputation and the two dreadful mistakes against the Baggies did it for me. He provided reasonable cover in what were dire straits for City at the time but hey ho........ Not sure he’s ever had a thug reputation??? Good, solid, hard defender, who could play out from the back is how I’ve always seen him. Why thug reputation? From where? Two dreadful mistakes v Baggies? He left his header short for the 3rd goal which Robson-Kanu scored. Two Bentley fumbles for the first two??? One suspects you’ve carried this “thug reputation” into your view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 Williams was too slow I think- certainly if we were wanting to play a medium, let alone high line pressing game. He never was the quickest but it became quite noticeable even before he joined us from maybe Everton onwards? Mariappa seems to tick a number of boxes but I worry about pace and high line aspect again, aging CB + high line=Possible problems. Maybe 34 isn't quite there yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Davefevs said: Not sure he’s ever had a thug reputation??? Good, solid, hard defender, who could play out from the back is how I’ve always seen him. Why thug reputation? From where? Two dreadful mistakes v Baggies? He left his header short for the 3rd goal which Robson-Kanu scored. Two Bentley fumbles for the first two??? One suspects you’ve carried this “thug reputation” into your view. The Owls fans certainly thought that Williams was a thug. As you know I drop in to Owlstalk occasionally. Btw Pulis is firm favourite for the managers job at Hillsborough................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 9 hours ago, Rich said: Which seven and a half years? His last goal was in February 2013, so then until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 If he was signed on a 2 year deal I’d be a little concerned by this but, as he has only signed until Jan, it’s as close to a free hit as you’re ever gonna find (especially for a player with his experience). If he plays well great, if he’s not up to it then we part ways with no long term damage. Excellent move by City to cover our most vulnerable part of the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 58 minutes ago, GrahamC said: His last goal was in February 2013, so then until now. Or looking positively Graham Hes due one ! I can’t say I’ve ever taken much notice of him but doing a bit of back research he looks a physical ‘competitor’ with a very good attitude , someone who’s going to give all they’ve got, maybe , certainly in Premier League terms there were questions over his ball playing capability, and Premier League ‘Class’ , but no questions over attitude and commitment and should be a very decent level of player for us , and certainly on paper a very decent short term , maybe longer , acquisition I think the attitude in his interview and all I can read about his attitude reading back is the attractive seal for me on this one He also played a fair bit at right back early in his career , though it is accepted that he’s a CB , With the option of playing him and pushing Zak out to RB or playing there himself if needed , we have some cover at RB now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: Or looking positively Graham Hes due one ! I can’t say I’ve ever taken much notice of him but doing a bit of back research he looks a physical ‘competitor’ with a very good attitude , someone who’s going to give all they’ve got, maybe , certainly in Premier League terms there were questions over his ball playing capability, and Premier League ‘Class’ , but no questions over attitude and commitment and should be a very decent level of player for us , and certainly on paper a very decent short term , maybe longer , acquisition I think the attitude in his interview and all I can read about his attitude reading back is the attractive seal for me on this one He also played a fair bit at right back early in his career , though it is accepted that he’s a CB , With the option of playing him and pushing Zak out to RB or playing there himself if needed , we have some cover at RB now True! But let’s not go hoping he’s another Flint, eh? In style he reminds me a lot of Louis Carey, not the tallest, right footed, not express pace but no slouch. Coming to us late in his career, I admit but I’m pretty happy we have picked him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 minute ago, GrahamC said: True! But let’s not go hoping he’s another Flint, eh? In style he reminds me a lot of Louis Carey, not the tallest, right footed, not express pace but no slouch. Coming to us late in his career, I admit but I’m pretty happy we have picked him up. From what I can see , I think I’ll take a bet that he picks up more yellows and possibly reds than he does threaten the opposition net Think his physicality might be useful for us , we are not blessed with that much in the squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Robbored said: The Owls fans certainly thought that Williams was a thug. As you know I drop in to Owlstalk occasionally. Btw Pulis is firm favourite for the managers job at Hillsborough................ Not sure that the opinion of fans of a club he never played for does much to back up your argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, elhombrecito said: Not sure that the opinion of fans of a club he never played for does much to back up your argument? Played against him many times tho. Had he played for them at any stage they’d have a different view. Fans tend to protect their own players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 11 hours ago, GrahamC said: Admire your optimism, he hasn’t scored in 7 and a half years! Then he must be due one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 47 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: Or looking positively Graham Hes due one ! I can’t say I’ve ever taken much notice of him but doing a bit of back research he looks a physical ‘competitor’ with a very good attitude , someone who’s going to give all they’ve got, maybe , certainly in Premier League terms there were questions over his ball playing capability, and Premier League ‘Class’ , but no questions over attitude and commitment and should be a very decent level of player for us , and certainly on paper a very decent short term , maybe longer , acquisition I think the attitude in his interview and all I can read about his attitude reading back is the attractive seal for me on this one He also played a fair bit at right back early in his career , though it is accepted that he’s a CB , With the option of playing him and pushing Zak out to RB or playing there himself if needed , we have some cover at RB now He might just show Moore, Vyner and the youngsters what ‘edge’ you need to succeed in defence at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Robbored said: The Owls fans certainly thought that Williams was a thug. As you know I drop in to Owlstalk occasionally. Btw Pulis is firm favourite for the managers job at Hillsborough................ Why do you think he’s a thug though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Why do you think he’s a thug though? His sending off (forget who against) is one example of Williams being a thug. In the few games that I saw him play his legs had clearly gone and he really struggled against any pace. He had a short fuse. Defending corners and set plays were what he was good at and what City needed at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Robbored said: The Owls fans certainly thought that Williams was a thug. As you know I drop in to Owlstalk occasionally. Btw Pulis is firm favourite for the managers job at Hillsborough................ Well that’s not actually true is it..... Having looked at Owlstalk and searched Ashley / Williams / thug I can’t find a single reference to him being a thug or similar Maybe you can provide a link And back to your ‘thug’ accusation 5 sending offs in 578 games Doesn't really stack up does it His sending offs for us came from (IMHO) Watkins needling him , possibly verbally and Our general lacklustre play at Forest as was our way at the time - frustration Surprised at him , but the two sending offs don’t spoil a very decent spell helping us out for me - his positioning , physicality and leadership were a joy to watch at times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj77 Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 On 10/11/2020 at 23:49, JackMarch said: Seems to be all tied up! Simon Preston is stealing catchphrases it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Sheltons Army said: Well that’s not actually true is it..... Having looked at Owlstalk and searched Ashley / Williams / thug I can’t find a single reference to him being a thug or similar Maybe you can provide a link And back to your ‘thug’ accusation 5 sending offs in 578 games Doesn't really stack up does it His sending offs for us came from (IMHO) Watkins needling him , possibly verbally and Our general lacklustre play at Forest as was our way at the time - frustration Surprised at him , but the two sending offs don’t spoil a very decent spell helping us out for me - his positioning , physicality and leadership were a joy to watch at times Don't think he is or was a thug though that red card at Nottingham Forest was a bad look! Think the red card vs Watkins wasn't just needling but related to shortcomings in pace too. He had quite the head start, watched it back multiple times- clubs field some full games on YouTube and Brentford chose that as one of theirs. Needled yes, but outpaced too, that was a desperate challenge as Watkins was away, Williams had a significant or at least decent headstart in the middle of our half, the full phase of play shows this to have been the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Don't think he is or was a thug though that red card at Nottingham Forest was a bad look! Think the red card vs Watkins wasn't just needling but related to shortcomings in pace too. He had quite the head start, watched it back multiple times- clubs field some full games on YouTube and Brentford chose that as one of theirs. Needled yes, but outpaced too, that was a desperate challenge as Watkins was away, Williams had a significant or at least decent headstart in the middle of our half, the full phase of play shows this to have been the case. Nail meet head! I think for many defenders their latter career is when they pick up the most cautions. Usually because they cannot catch up with the player they are marking, without a foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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