formerly known as ivan Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 Given the injuries and lack of defensive options, could Bakinson slot into a back 3? If you look at the likes of Fabinho and Fernandinho, albeit it at a much superior level, there seems little between the defensive midfield role and a centre back role. Add to this the amount of midfielders we have at the club once everyone is fit, could this be an option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 He is barely experienced at this level in his own position let alone as a defender. Fabinho and Fernandinho are world class, experienced pros. Big gulf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 We saw Dean switch to a 4231, I expect we'd switch to that formation beyond accommodating someone like Rowe or promoting an U23's player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 55 minutes ago, Lrrr said: We saw Dean switch to a 4231, I expect we'd switch to that formation beyond accommodating someone like Rowe or promoting an U23's player. When did Holden go 4231? Which game(s) was that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, Davefevs said: When did Holden go 4231? Which game(s) was that? Last game after conceding I think, for a patch at least we were. Whether it was consistent or not just noticed at least a patch where we were set like this. Bentley hunt. Moore. Kalas. Rowe Vyner. Bakinson weimann. Pato. Semenyo Famara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Notgetinya Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 No way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall’s Splinter Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 Maybe he could. But why you would want to put additional undue pressure on the lad in his debut season would be beyond me. He needs at least a season navigating/transitioning through a championship season in a settled position I believe. That said, if he drops back in there and ends up like Lothar Matthuas then I take it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 The way things are going, by the time all of our midfielders are fit Bakinson will probably have retired. As others have said, this is a huge ask for someone playing his first games at this level in his natural position. Always looked a gamble with Baker out long term to go with just 4 centre backs for 3 spots, particularly with Mawson’s injury history & Kalas not exactly an ever present. Unless we look at the free agent market, the 2 likely choices are either to change formation (seems unlikely) or ask either Rowe or Brunt to fill in temporarily, not ideal at all, but no available solution is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Robin Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 Why put our best player in an unfamiliar position? Won't do anything to improve his game - in fact it may set him back. He must stay where he is and he will get even better. I would try Fammy at CB - he comes back for set pieces and wins lots of balls and looks quite comfortable back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 It wouldn't be fair this season but might be possible after he's more experienced, certainly worked with Keith Curle when TC was boss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 I think it's definitely an option. Holden has said he's considered this as a role for Bakinson in the past too. I do wonder though whether it's a good idea to meddle with his position when he's in good form and has built up momentum. Ok, he's had a couple of trickier games - but giving him a totally new role during his first taste of extended first team football might not be the best idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 Rather stick Fam at CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 I’m hoping Brunt could do a job there. Would make his signing and decision not to bring in another CB much more understandable. Would rather him there than Bakinson due to his experience and shithousering ability! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 9 hours ago, Davefevs said: When did Holden go 4231? Which game(s) was that? Can’t be bothered to find a better screenshot than this, was sometime in the late 70 mins. Famara was up by the keeper to stop him rolling it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, Lrrr said: Can’t be bothered to find a better screenshot than this, was sometime in the late 70 mins. Famara was up by the keeper to stop him rolling it out. Thanks, hadn’t spotted that. Not sure how long it lasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 Earlier in the season one of the other players when interviewed and asked to comment on Bakinson’s emergence said he could play in the back 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 Where’s Dasilva? He’s fit isn’t he? I’d like to see him back at LWB and Rowe in at CB with Kalas and Vyner, just to give Tayls a rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 I'm totally against the idea. 1. We need him in midfield. 2. I prefer players in their strongest positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Super said: Rather stick Fam at CB. He'd be back in the bathtub before half time....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, mozo said: I'm totally against the idea. 1. We need him in midfield. 2. I prefer players in their strongest positions. Agree. If we get to a point where we are unable to field Vyner / Kalas / Moore then I’d go Rowe. After that I’m gonna go against all my principles and go Brunt. I just want Bakinson to improve in CM. He’s done well, but teams are beginning to work him out - although he’s still coming through that test. To me, he’s had a similar starting 5/6 games as Massengo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Agree. If we get to a point where we are unable to field Vyner / Kalas / Moore then I’d go Rowe. After that I’m gonna go against all my principles and go Brunt. I just want Bakinson to improve in CM. He’s done well, but teams are beginning to work him out - although he’s still coming through that test. To me, he’s had a similar starting 5/6 games as Massengo. Where we diverge is that when get to a point where we are unable to field Vyner / Kalas / Moore I want a back 4! 4 minutes ago, JonDolman said: If that is something Holden may go with then I hope Weimann is not wide right. Would actually rather he was central behind the striker or not in at all. I think out of all back 4 options the diamond is probably the most suited to the players we have. I like 4231. 2 holders allowing our full backs to push on. It would mean only one of Wells and Martin starting though. Probably gets the best out of Wells on the shoulder. Might get the best out of Fam if he was ever to be the lone striker. I'd stick with this current system though, but I don't believe Holden will stick with 352 if we play like midweek a lot more from now on. I'd like to see Weimann played up top today, but dropping deep to collect the ball and drive us forward. Out of possession he can drop and harry the defenders to stop them playing out from the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, JonDolman said: If that is something Holden may go with then I hope Weimann is not wide right. Would actually rather he was central behind the striker or not in at all. I think out of all back 4 options the diamond is probably the most suited to the players we have. I like 4231. 2 holders allowing our full backs to push on. It would mean only one of Wells and Martin starting though. Probably gets the best out of Wells on the shoulder. Might get the best out of Fam if he was ever to be the lone striker. I'd stick with this current system though, but I don't believe Holden will stick with 352 if we play like midweek a lot more from now on. I hate 4231 when City played it with wingers. It’s supposed to get that extra man helping defensively and attacking wise....yet the way we played it just left the 2 CMs as exposed as they were in a 442. We did however play it well when Brownhill played as a narrow RM/RW v Huddersfield and Fulham, possibly proving that it’s the players that make a system rather than the system itself. It was a lopsided 4231 with Brownhill narrow (Eliasson conventional LW), with Nagy, Massengo and Weimann as the 10 (as you say he’s better there). So in effect we had CM4 albeit lopsided. It gave Hunt loads of room to get forward too, almost making it a 3241. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, mozo said: Where we diverge is that when get to a point where we are unable to field Vyner / Kalas / Moore I want a back 4! I'd like to see Weimann played up top today, but dropping deep to collect the ball and drive us forward. Out of possession he can drop and harry the defenders to stop them playing out from the back. Yes, no probs with that if that’s what Dean goes for. The above pic shows how Rowe at LB in a 4 is almost a LCB - replace Eliasson with Dasilva for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 Rowe would be my back up LCB. Having said that I wouldn’t rule him out playing there even if all our 3 CBs are fit - I don’t think Moore or Kalas look comfortable on the left, and I’m not convinced Vyner would be either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yes, no probs with that if that’s what Dean goes for. The above pic shows how Rowe at LB in a 4 is almost a LCB - replace Eliasson with Dasilva for example. Yeah agree with your comments above re the wide men. It would mean we could use Paterson either in a more advanced position on the left side or in a 2 alongside Bakinson depending on Holden's preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 29 minutes ago, JonDolman said: If that is something Holden may go with then I hope Weimann is not wide right. Would actually rather he was central behind the striker or not in at all. I think out of all back 4 options the diamond is probably the most suited to the players we have. I like 4231. 2 holders allowing our full backs to push on. It would mean only one of Wells and Martin starting though. Probably gets the best out of Wells on the shoulder. Might get the best out of Fam if he was ever to be the lone striker. I'd stick with this current system though, but I don't believe Holden will stick with 352 if we play like midweek a lot more from now on. We’d used all subs so limited options for who went where and I’d rather Pato centrally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Rich Posted October 24, 2020 Report Share Posted October 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: Thanks, hadn’t spotted that. Not sure how long it lasted. I only noticed because I was watching Vyner closely. Thought he had a really good game defensively. Also he was very fluent bringing the ball out and and linking with midfield - thats probably why the switch was less noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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