dREDful Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 Noticed the Sky comms today mentioned that it's not promotion or bust for DH this season, he's only required to continue improving the club's position. This would ring true so 8th or above is the target for Dean Holden which looks a long way off already. He could well face a similar fate as LJ if/when that position is out of reach in April. So, how do you think our next manager Paul Simpson will do next season? His face certainly fits the Lansdown job requirements, under qualified for this level and already part of a fantastic coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 bit early to be talking about Dean Holdens dismissal I'd have thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 I think the expectation this season would be to just keep us in the Championship given what's going on right now. Once things 'get back to normal', e.g. fans being allowed in and income streams improving, then I think targets/expectationsre playoffs and promotion will be set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 Unless City sink to the relegation fringe I think Holden is safe this season even if City finish mid table. That would be worse than last season but I don’t believe Steve Lansdown and Mark Ashton will be prepared to admit they made a mistake. Covid and the injuries will be used to justify another season. I’m worried we’ll have another couple of transfer windows where players are signed to fit Holden’s philosophy but who don’t fit the plans of the next manager. He’ll say he needs a couple of windows to get the squad he needs and the saga will continue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said: I think the expectation this season would be to just keep us in the Championship given what's going on right now. Once things 'get back to normal', e.g. fans being allowed in and income streams improving, then I think targets/expectationsre playoffs and promotion will be set. I dont understand this viewpoint. There are 24 teams in this division and 3 will go up. Why should we be the only club to think that not seriously competing and going again next season is the correct thing to do . Covid or no Covid, it doesn't affect us going up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 Ashton said Dean had no target for this season when he was appointed. As I recall he was rather miffed that somebody had the nerve to even ask the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 18 minutes ago, chinapig said: Ashton said Dean had no target for this season when he was appointed. As I recall he was rather miffed that somebody had the nerve to even ask the question. Just like LJs "I need 4 windows" statement. And round and round we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 24 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said: I dont understand this viewpoint. There are 24 teams in this division and 3 will go up. Why should we be the only club to think that not seriously competing and going again next season is the correct thing to do . Covid or no Covid, it doesn't affect us going up. Spot on my friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 You have to admire Norwich and the route they have taken, recruiting the reserve manager at Dortmund, which has given them access to technically gifted players who cost reasonable fee's, and play a tactically erudite formation, with style and strength. It is a path I would really have liked City to take, instead of plodding along, and recruiting a manager who is an LJ clone. His quote today........" We had the game pretty much where we wanted it, and were right back in it on 75 minutes, and IF we had scored the penalty we would have had the momentum", seems perfect for Halloween, as it gives me pheckin nightmares, in that he could be so self deluded and mistaken, and it be so reminiscent of the drivel that our last mamager used to spout. We are a mid table side who will lose as many as we win, and we will be in exactly the same place 12 months from now, we had an opportunity to be ambitious and be brave, but we have taken the easy option. We have no players now that Brownhill and Elliason have gone, who quicken the pulse and produce excitement, we are an ordinary team with an ordinary mamager, who are about to have another ordinary season. Happy Halloween. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 58 minutes ago, dREDful said: Noticed the Sky comms today mentioned that it's not promotion or bust for DH this season, he's only required to continue improving the club's position. This would ring true so 8th or above is the target for Dean Holden which looks a long way off already. He could well face a similar fate as LJ if/when that position is out of reach in April. So, how do you think our next manager Paul Simpson will do next season? His face certainly fits the Lansdown job requirements, under qualified for this level and already part of a fantastic coaching staff. What, one point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgrsimon Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 As I said elsewhere, what would the expectation be had Chris Hughton been appointed? Why should it be any less given that Holden was apparently the better candidate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, maxjak said: You have to admire Norwich and the route they have taken, recruiting the reserve manager at Dortmund, which has given them access to technically gifted players who cost reasonable fee's, and play a tactically erudite formation, with style and strength. It is a path I would really have liked City to take, instead of plodding along, and recruiting a manager who is an LJ clone. His quote today........" We had the game pretty much where we wanted it, and were right back in it on 75 minutes, and IF we had scored the penalty we would have had the momentum", seems perfect for Halloween, as it gives me pheckin nightmares, in that he could be so self deluded and mistaken, and it be so reminiscent of the drivel that our last mamager used to spout. We are a mid table side who will lose as many as we win, and we will be in exactly the same place 12 months from now, we had an opportunity to be ambitious and be brave, but we have taken the easy option. We have no players now that Brownhill and Elliason have gone, who quicken the pulse and produce excitement, we are an ordinary team with an ordinary mamager, who are about to have another ordinary season. Happy Halloween. Precisely this. There's no chance we'll get promoted this season - if anything we've gone backwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honiton Tony Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 I made the decision to watch local football this season ..... And I'm not regretting it ....come on you Hippos ( Honiton Town ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 22 minutes ago, Honiton Tony said: I made the decision to watch local football this season ..... And I'm not regretting it ....come on you Hippos ( Honiton Town ) I see they won 17-2 today !!! Against the infamous Stoke Gabriel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, maxjak said:His quote today........" We had the game pretty much where we wanted it, and were right back in it on 75 minutes, and IF we had scored the penalty we would have had the momentum", seems perfect for Halloween, as it gives me pheckin nightmares, in that he could be so self deluded and mistaken, and it be so reminiscent of the drivel that our last mamager used to spout. Could not believe when he said that. Pretty much where we wanted to be - 3-1 down at home. Well, if that’s the expectation, then we may as well give up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Its more that saying a target would then lead to more difficult questions if the target isn't reached. And Ashton doesn't like being asked difficult questions, as Twentyman found at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redland Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, fgrsimon said: As I said elsewhere, what would the expectation be had Chris Hughton been appointed? Why should it be any less given that Holden was apparently the better candidate? In terms of his track record and achievements Holden clearly was not the better candidate. He is inexperienced in management, has never achieved anything and was part of the previous failed regime. I suspect he was the cheap option and “better candidate” or “interviewed well’ probably means that he said what Ashton wanted to hear. Had he applied I doubt if Jurgenn Klopp would’ve been given the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty Taylors a Red Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 hours ago, pongo88 said: Unless City sink to the relegation fringe I think Holden is safe this season even if City finish mid table. That would be worse than last season but I don’t believe Steve Lansdown and Mark Ashton will be prepared to admit they made a mistake. Covid and the injuries will be used to justify another season. I’m worried we’ll have another couple of transfer windows where players are signed to fit Holden’s philosophy but who don’t fit the plans of the next manager. He’ll say he needs a couple of windows to get the squad he needs and the saga will continue If you are correct and we follow this long boring cycle of mediocrity then Lansdown and Ashton will have a lot to answer for. Especially considering some of the names reportedly interested in our vacancy. What a missed opportunity it could turn out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoyalRed Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 Win a few , lose a few ... happy days on here it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 31, 2020 Report Share Posted October 31, 2020 4 hours ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: bit early to be talking about Dean Holdens dismissal I'd have thought Based on the last few seasons, for some fans it's never too early to be talking about the head coach's dismissal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted November 1, 2020 Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 19 hours ago, Sheltons Army said: I see they won 17-2 today !!! Against the infamous Stoke Gabriel But can they do it away at Stoke Gabriel on a cold Tuesday night ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire Red Posted November 1, 2020 Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 Does anyone expect us to be as good as Lj's first 4seasons: all top half finishes. If so, give it time. If not, just hope we stay up and improve next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted November 1, 2020 Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Hampshire Red said: Does anyone expect us to be as good as Lj's first 4seasons: all top half finishes. If so, give it time. If not, just hope we stay up and improve next season. We finished bottom half with Lee in his first full season (sorry to break this to you; just file under "Fake news," or fake stats or something), so I hope we're a little bit better than then when we finished 17th, lost a club record 8 consecutive league games, and went into the last six games one point above the drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted November 1, 2020 Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 22 minutes ago, Hampshire Red said: Does anyone expect us to be as good as Lj's first 4seasons: all top half finishes. If so, give it time. If not, just hope we stay up and improve next season. Not without all the funds, windows and signings Lee was allowed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted November 1, 2020 Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 20 hours ago, LoyalRed said: Win a few , lose a few ... happy days on here it seems Thats how its been for the 60+ years Ive been watching us. I think its now set in stone!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted November 1, 2020 Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 21 hours ago, LoyalRed said: Win a few , lose a few ... happy days on here it seems Losing, I can take. It's lack of passion or ideas I find more difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted November 1, 2020 Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 On 31/10/2020 at 20:21, LoyalRed said: Win a few , lose a few ... happy days on here it seems Can hardly wait for your second post(on this topic). please before Lockdown ends or Hell Freezes over which ever comes first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greengrass Posted November 1, 2020 Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 I think a reality check needs to be taken. We have 6, yes 6, potential starters long term injured plus Kalas, Dasilva & O'Dowda have also been out. I think if we are 15th, or above, at the end of the year & the injured players are back I will be optimistic for the remainder of the season. I have been supporting City for over 60 years so I could be suffering from brain fog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire Red Posted November 2, 2020 Report Share Posted November 2, 2020 You are right about seasons of Windows etc but I don't think it gets any easier in 2nd, 3rd, 4th years etc as you lose your best players and then rebuild I don't get too emotional about a single win/lise/draw but over a season I want to see improvements and as much excitement as we had under Lj, especially the winning runs, the cup run, the development of young players and the last two seasons travelling to all away games was filled with hope and expectation as we did so well. Would have been going to the Smiths Stadium tomorrow if we were able but gotta say this team doesn't have the same resilience as last season - yet, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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