Tipps69 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 What do you make of this? Cleverly’s shot is clearly saved on to the bar & then doesn’t bounce over the line, Pedro comes in & ‘nudges’ Angus Gunn (Stoke keeper) over the line & the ref gives the goal because goal line technology shows that the ball has crossed the line! Ref & 4th official discuss the situation & they are clearly getting information from elsewhere but the ref continues to give the goal! Fast forward to about 3:55 for this particular action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 Should not have stood. Definite foul on the goalkeeper. Poor refereeing decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinny Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 Well, you have the assistant referee in the shot, and he doesn't give a foul, so if it's not a foul, and the ball crosses the line, it must be a goal. I mean I THINK it's a foul, but if we want human error in the game (which I do) and no VAR, then we have to accept bad decisions from bad humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 Setting a precedent for the rest of the season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 It's 100% a foul. The keeper had the ball in his hands and he was pushed over the line. I don't even see that as a borderline decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 One of the worst decisions I’ve seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 We want VAR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 If it had been Villa the goal line tech would have been switched off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 I can only assume they made the decision that the refs watch buzzed for the initial shot and it’s a terrible mistake. Because otherwise it’s incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted November 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 Just now, Fordy62 said: I can only assume they made the decision that the refs watch buzzed for the initial shot and it’s a terrible mistake. Because otherwise it’s incredible. Initially I don’t believe it did buzz but then did when Gunn was nudged over the line a second or so later. You can notice a slight delay by the Stoke players when they realised the ref had given the goal. Obviously goal line technology is only evolved enough to indicate when the ball has crossed the line, it doesn’t know how the ball has crossed the line so as the ball has clearly crossed the line, the technology indicated so, it was then down to the ref or assistant ref to decide if there was a foul in the play & they obviously decided there wasn’t! Which considering the amount of times players hit the floor when a blade of grass has snipered them, is unusual. As a result, I’m not sure how the goal has gone down as Tom Cleverly’s because his effort clearly didn’t go over the line so it should technically be an own goal by Angus Gunn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 That would of been a foul back in 1923 when keepers got battered. Shocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 Lets just push Cardiff's keeper over the line repeatedly on Friday, try picking him up and placing him behind the line as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Prinny said: Well, you have the assistant referee in the shot, and he doesn't give a foul, so if it's not a foul, and the ball crosses the line, it must be a goal. I mean I THINK it's a foul, but if we want human error in the game (which I do) and no VAR, then we have to accept bad decisions from bad humans. Sadly after Villa last year and some of the Pens and non Pens recently, VAR and goal line tech have plenty of inbuilt human errors too. Just had a look again, Ref doesn't check his watch for an alert after the initial shot (I think they get buzzed by it), and only looks after the challenge. I can only think he deems the body charge fair, which is ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted November 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: Sadly after Villa last year and some of the Pens and non Pens recently, VAR and goal line tech have plenty of inbuilt human errors too. Just had a look again, Ref doesn't check his watch for an alert after the initial shot (I think they get buzzed by it), and only looks after the challenge. I can only think he deems the body charge fair, which is ridiculous My guess would be that he felt no vibration after the initial shot / save but did after the nudge. Decided there wasn’t enough in the nudge, goal given. Which is fine but it’s all about that consistency thing again! The penalty & subsequent sending off of Steve Cook in the Sheffield Wednesday v Bournemouth game this midweek is the complete polar opposite of the Watford v Stoke incident & the way Josh Windass goes down, rolling around like he’s been two footed from the waist is ridiculous, I’ve cuddles my nan harder when saying goodbye to her & she’s never claimed a freekick against me yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Dazzler Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 As some have already alluded to, I think the ref did not think the first attempt had gone over the line, but would not have had the best of angles, so when his watch buzzed he assumed that the ball had gone over the line at that point. That being the case, whatever happens after that (ie what was a clear foul on the GK) had no consequence, as the ball is no longer in play and next action is for Stoke to kick off following the goal. It was really unfortunate as the goal should not have stood, but I can see how (without VAR) the ref gave the goal. I know that VAR is not the most popular thing in the Prem, but it would have provided the right decision last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 Terrible decision...........I bet on Watford last night at 5/4, not only should that 1st goal have been disallowed, but then their winner came in the 93rd minute. I was very lucky, and so were Watford. Think i have used up all my betting karma for this week already!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevedon Red Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 2 hours ago, mozo said: We want VAR! VAR.....what is it good for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 I know we often bemoan the fact goalkeepers get a foul given in their favour for even the merest knock, but this is a blatant one no wonder Stoke were fuming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 18 minutes ago, Clevedon Red said: VAR.....what is it good for? Nobody mention the VAR! I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 I haven’t seen it but from what you describe there should’ve been two goal-line events: 1. For the initial handling by Gunn 2. When he was fouled In the last World Cup they have an incident where both events happened and both were reported separately to the ref / big screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswood Robin Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 The technology is (naturally) taking the common sense away from the officials. This decision and the Sheffield United - Villa decision are a bit like a SATNAV telling you to turn right, straight into a river! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 As a result of Watford's win, City dropped from 6th to 7th. If the season ends early, that bad decision by the officials could cost us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 6 hours ago, New Dazzler said: As some have already alluded to, I think the ref did not think the first attempt had gone over the line, but would not have had the best of angles, so when his watch buzzed he assumed that the ball had gone over the line at that point. That being the case, whatever happens after that (ie what was a clear foul on the GK) had no consequence, as the ball is no longer in play and next action is for Stoke to kick off following the goal. It was really unfortunate as the goal should not have stood, but I can see how (without VAR) the ref gave the goal. I know that VAR is not the most popular thing in the Prem, but it would have provided the right decision last night. You mean like it did when Sheff Utd “scored” at Villa last season? Edit: Just seen that @Kingswood Robin referenced the Sheff U goal in his post - I hadn’t read down that far when replying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sludge Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 FFS just hearing that commentators voice has given me Elly-aa-sun flashbacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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