RobintheRed Red Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 hour ago, BetterRedthenBlue said: Kiefer Moore is an international striker who will cause problems for most defenders in this league with his movement, strength and jumping to judge Vyner against him is a bit unfair. Vyner has come a long way even since last season and looks a decent player. Can play in a 3 or 2 central defence, can play at right back if needed. In the games I've watched he's been decent. Whilst I agree we need to strengthen CB in January it's more to do with injuries rather than Zak Vyner. Yeh not much better than keifer moore we were looking at him like others watkins Toney etc cant help feeling we missed out here and i agree vyner did ok for a young un against that quality opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 51 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Before this season he had only started 10 games for us, he has started all 11 this season. I simply don’t understand posts like the OP, Zak has been excellent, played in both a 3 and a 4 & has played the full 90 in every single game. This stuff about him being 4th or 5th choice is just bollocks, just like those who say Williams & Walsh should be our first choice midfield, these players aren’t fit FFS & in Mawson’s case, looking at his injury history I won’t be expecting him back for some time & in Moore’s he is currently behind Vyner anyway.. I think it highly likely Zak will end up playing in the vast majority of this season’s games, if he stays fit. I was using 4th/5th choice as a way to demonstrate you can't necessarily expect 1st choice performances from him straight away in reference to OP's comments on out of his depth/will contribute to our not getting promotion. Personal opinion is Zak has played well with room to improve, but talk of having to replace Zak because 'he's not good enough' is nonsense because he started as 4th/5th choice and where are you going to find someone better than him cheaply and on less wages? My guess is you wouldn't. Hopefully he develops and gets better game by game and can establish himself as a first team regular in his own right without injuries being a cause to his continued selection. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Bs4Red said: Just interested on peoples views not just tonight but overall. For me he is so far out of his depth it would be the one position I’d be looking to reinforce come January. I just feel his positioning is woeful and his passing for a “ball player” is below par. Seen lots of views on tonight saying he played well but again thought he was very lucky that Moore didn’t get a couple after he lost him at a few corners. Overall I just feel we constantly say “he’s young” “he’s learning” but how long can this go on? Him and Moore will be the undoing of promotion if they play 40+ games Who played the initial woeful pass that opened up Cardiff on the goal? Edited November 7, 2020 by Numero Uno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 We’ve got a young player who is learning the position on the job at this level, we are getting away with it results wise and he’s showing plenty of signs of being up to the level required. Gotta like that surely? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted September 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 On 06/11/2020 at 22:37, Bs4Red said: Just interested on peoples views not just tonight but overall. For me he is so far out of his depth it would be the one position I’d be looking to reinforce come January. I just feel his positioning is woeful and his passing for a “ball player” is below par. Seen lots of views on tonight saying he played well but again thought he was very lucky that Moore didn’t get a couple after he lost him at a few corners. Overall I just feel we constantly say “he’s young” “he’s learning” but how long can this go on? Him and Moore will be the undoing of promotion if they play 40+ games Stand by this now more than ever he is absolutely embarrassing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 Absolutely no help from those in front of him all match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted September 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, sinenomine said: Absolutely no help from those in front of him all match Can’t even pass the ball just lumps it away. Cornick turned him like he wasn’t there. Hes not good enough and being found out time and again 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 Hopefully George Tanner is the answer because Vyner is a awful right back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 He's had a couple of very good games this season and a couple of very bad games. I think he gets a raw deal in that the good performances get forgotten the second he has a bad game. However, at the same time, a crucial thing he needs to improve on is to make his off-days a 6/10 rather than a 4/10. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 39 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Hopefully George Tanner is the answer because Vyner is a awful right back It's why Tanner's here... Nige will let him acclimatise & ease him into the first team.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyreds89 Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 Shouldn’t be anywhere near the squad let alone the team. League one player same as Taylor Moore. Hopefully the new lad can settle in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 53 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Hopefully George Tanner is the answer because Vyner is a awful right back I’ve been saying it for too long now, but Vyner just doesn’t have it at this level. Not at CB, not at RB, not at DM. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 I’d love to see Tanner given a go at RB. After all, he has played RB for the majority of his young career… He seriously can’t be anymore bland than what we’re seeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 I like him and want him to do well cus he’s one of our own . He’s not naturally a footballer and no way on gods green earth is he a full back . Hope the new young lad starts the next game and maybe Vyner ends up being centre half in the future . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packman Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 He had a very good game against Preston I thought but got absolutely no credit on here, remember a fantastic last ditch tackle he did which definitely saved us a goal. Yeah he wasn't great tonight but nobody had a good game, he didn't really have much protection in front on him. Looks like we've found ourselves this years scapegoat anyway. We've got to stop digging out our players all the time, it really doesn't help them. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hankey Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 Such a poor & limited player at this level. Will be decent in League One, which is where i expect he will be come January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr Hankey said: Such a poor & limited player at this level. Will be decent in League One, which is where i expect he will be come January. Your opinion. Mine is very different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Stone Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 Fraustrates me every game, gets in some good positions but couldnt cross a road. The times he hits that first defender, oh well good night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 (edited) Vyner is a steady, average player. The problem with his kind of average is that we arrive there through one passage of play where he is well above average, followed by a passage of play well below Edited September 15, 2021 by 054123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 Worth remembering what Vyner is - a CB "doing a job" out of position at RB. We're hoping for him to be, on average, a 5 or 6 out of 10 across the season. He'll probably have a few games where he's a bit above that and a few games where he's below. I do think Vyner was poor tonight, and I did get frustrated with him. He's what we've got though - unfortunately we're going to have to "make do" a bit in a few positions. Not saying that people are necessarily wrong to identify him as a weakness, just that it's worth calibrating our expectations of him and understanding why we're not necessarily capable of signing a quality replacement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Red Army 75 said: Hopefully George Tanner is the answer because Vyner is a awful right back I think Tanner is (and I hate to use this expression) one for the future. How far the future is away is uncertain but I don’t think he’s going to come to the rescue in the next few months 1 hour ago, shelts said: I like him and want him to do well cus he’s one of our own . He’s not naturally a footballer and no way on gods green earth is he a full back . Hope the new young lad starts the next game and maybe Vyner ends up being centre half in the future . I hate the expression “he’s one of our own”. Whether a player has come from the academy or via a transfer is irrelevant. It’s their ability that counts. Prior to this season he’s played at full back, so he should have got the hang of it by now. If he’s not naturally a footballer he’s not going to make it in any position in the Championship 27 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said: Worth remembering what Vyner is - a CB "doing a job" out of position at RB. We're hoping for him to be, on average, a 5 or 6 out of 10 across the season. He'll probably have a few games where he's a bit above that and a few games where he's below. I do think Vyner was poor tonight, and I did get frustrated with him. He's what we've got though - unfortunately we're going to have to "make do" a bit in a few positions. Not saying that people are necessarily wrong to identify him as a weakness, just that it's worth calibrating our expectations of him and understanding why we're not necessarily capable of signing a quality replacement. He’s played at fullback earlier in his career at City and NP believes this is his best position. I can’t imagine he would be able to dislodge Kallas, Atkinson, or Baker as a central defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 Vyner was frustrating me tonight. Several times he received the ball wide around the half way line, advanced a short distance before crossing it whereas he has at least another 30 yards or so to head towards the by line but never did it once - very irritated as his crosses were pretty poor from too deep a position. If Nige thinks he’s going to be a regular starter at RB then he needs to tell Zac to push further up the pitch before crossing and insist on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, pongo88 said: He’s played at fullback earlier in his career at City and NP believes this is his best position. I can’t imagine he would be able to dislodge Kallas, Atkinson, or Baker as a central defender. Appreciate he's played at full back previously, but was most often used at CB last season. I don't recall Pearson saying that - perhaps he has and I missed it. Either way, personally I see him more as a CB. Agree that he isn't better than Kalas, Atkinson or Baker, but that doesn't change Vyner's best position. Think my fundamental point remains; he's "doing a job" for us at RB. I don't think he's intended to be a long term solution there. I imagine NP would have upgraded at RB if circumstances had allowed it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ferret Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 Not great defensively, but must admit I find him a good crosser of the ball, and some of his long passes can be quite accurate. He's more like a quarterback than a defender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 15, 2021 Report Share Posted September 15, 2021 I thought Vyner had a very good first half, surprised at the sub at h-t. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Bs4Red said: Can’t even pass the ball just lumps it away. Cornick turned him like he wasn’t there. Hes not good enough and being found out time and again Just diagonals everywhere isn't it. Not even whipped balls in by Zak for the crosses, just diagonals. It's too wooden and League 1 standard at best 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT The Optimist Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 5 hours ago, Davefevs said: I thought Vyner had a very good first half, surprised at the sub at h-t. Agree with Fevs on most things but not this. The RHS first half was shocking with no link up play between Scott & Zak and zero threat. Not surprised it was changed. Would love to hear where the staff actually see Zak’s best position? NP stated at start of season he knew Zak’s best position…I would take Simpson in front of Zak any day of the week, and we have not spent £300k on Tanner for him to develop in 18 months time…we will see him sooner rather than later. If Zak going to do anything for us central defender..but he is down that pecking order as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDarwall Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Davefevs said: I thought Vyner had a very good first half, surprised at the sub at h-t. Maybe its our position in the ground Dave as me & Josh thought similar. Though he played 1 awful pass to Weiman when we had a break. However, picking the wrong pass when in a promising position is 1 of out common failings. Whilst we were more solid 2nd half, they still carved us open down the right somewhat. It's hard to figure exactly where the issue is, but it does worry me how easy teams slice us open & if we're that open v Fulham it will be all over by half time. 2 subs by the start of the 2nd half is very un-Nige like, hopefully it won't be a regular occurrence. I think the home form has def got into the players heads & we're so nervous defending a lead late on. Shame as I think the fans have been excellent in the last 2 games. Edited September 16, 2021 by TDarwall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 I thought Vyner had a good defensive display yesterday, but his crosses are from too deep, and Martin can't win a header so it's always cleared. I'd like to see Zac power down the line as he does have pace and reasonable ball skill. Get closer to the byline and whip a few balls in knee high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsocks Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 Like I said hes not a right back.why nigel thinks he is I dont know.hes just got a new full back in why not play him he cant do any worser than what we already have.ps the crossing last night was shite.not just from vyner but the whole team.why cant they beat the first man.they must practice in training.or maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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