Numero Uno Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 Forget Wells Panenka. You’ve got to see this one. In teams I played in he would have literally got filled in afterwards........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 Watched this game online - the kind of thing you might try when winning 4-0 in the last minute, but not on an occasion like this. Great when they go in, and if they don't you look like a tit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 This is even worse than Wells - in last minute and would have got them a vital point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 Just now, Ronnie Sinclair said: Watched this game online - the kind of thing you might try when winning 4-0 in the last minute, but not on an occasion like this. Great when they go in, and if they don't you look like a tit. Not when you are in Fulham’s situation either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 With the Wells penalty, and this one, surely as the taker is running up to take it, he MUST be thinking "what is the best , most certain way of putting this away" , and then they go and do that. Its pure negligence, and they should never be trusted with a penalty again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 1 minute ago, The Horse With No Name said: With the Wells penalty, and this one, surely as the taker is running up to take it, he MUST be thinking "what is the best , most certain way of putting this away" , and then they go and do that. Its pure negligence, and they should never be trusted with a penalty again. Totally. That goes for Wells too. It’s flash and completely selfish, end of. That Fulham dressing room would be an interesting place to be right now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Wilson Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 Just in case anyone needs a good giggle and hasn’t seen it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 wow. even i might have saved that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Wade Wilson said: Just in case anyone needs a good giggle and hasn’t seen it Not surprised he missed it with those loud French commentators putting him off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 I think it is fair to say he hasn't gone for power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandcityfan Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 Wtf did I just watch? What angers me so much, just as Nahki's did - is the lack of professionalism. There's nonchalance, and then there's arrogance and contempt (for your team, management and fans) If you miss a pen, you miss a pen, it's a high pressure moment. But this kind of nonsense makes you look like you don't give a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 I disagree with a lot of these comments. Obviously he mishit it and if it works out it’s a clever way of scoring. Blasting it can also misfire but a reckless blast over the bar doesn’t get the “disrespect “ comments. There’s no guaranteed way to score unless you can be certain of a powerful shot into the corner. As most keepers go to one side, a chip in the middle is a fair bet. Just get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Leveller said: I disagree with a lot of these comments. Obviously he mishit it and if it works out it’s a clever way of scoring. Blasting it can also misfire but a reckless blast over the bar doesn’t get the “disrespect “ comments. There’s no guaranteed way to score unless you can be certain of a powerful shot into the corner. As most keepers go to one side, a chip in the middle is a fair bet. Just get it right. Totally disagree as I said in the Wells penalty thread If as a pro at these levels , you can’t pick out a corner / side netting with pace , you shouldn’t be on penalties The best penalty takers in the World don’t **** about with smart arse panenkas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: The best penalty takers in the World don’t **** about with smart arse panenkas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 IF IN DOUBT, HIT THE PENALTY AS HARD AS POSSIBLE In an investigation on power v placement, researchers analysed 129 penalties that were taken during World Cup Finals and in the finals of the UEFA Champions League. They found the following data for how hard you hit your penalty: Power of Shot Scored Missed Target Saved 50% 47% 0% 53% 75% 81% 1% 18% 100% 63% 31% 7% The most successful type of penalty was one that was hit at 75% of maximum power. It suggests that a combination of power and placement is best. However, what to do if in doubt? If you hit it softly, it increases the chance of hitting the target, but also dramatically increases the likelihood of the goalkeeper saving it (resulting in scoring 47% of the time). If you hit it with 100% power, you are more likely to miss the target, but the chance of the goalkeeper saving it if it is on target is very small (resulting in scoring 63% of the time). So if in doubt, hit the penalty with maximum power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: Totally disagree as I said in the Wells penalty thread If as a pro at these levels , you can’t pick out a corner / side netting with pace , you shouldn’t be on penalties The best penalty takers in the World don’t **** about with smart arse panenkas Messi, Ronaldo, Pirlo and Totti were obviously never one of the best in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Messi, Ronaldo, Pirlo and Totti were obviously never one of the best in the world. I was thinking domestically Try finding a Shearer , Kane , Le Tissier , Ray Steward Phil Neal one Mr Sarcasm (Shock) Maybe take note that if Players with the technique of Pirlo or Neymar look complete ***** when it fails , don’t try it if you are Nahki Wells or Lookman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 Just now, Sheltons Army said: I was thinking domestically Try finding a Shearer , Kane , Le Tissier , Ray Steward Phil Neal one Mr Sarcasm (Shock) That would be down to the trend. It became a popular thing to do again in the last 10 years or so, so there are many more instances of it being done recently, add to the fact that there is now footage of nearly every game. Kane aside, it has been the best part of 20 years since any of those played a competitive game. You said top players never do it. Myself and another have provided video evidence of top players doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: That would be down to the trend. It became a popular thing to do again in the last 10 years or so, so there are many more instances of it being done recently, add to the fact that there is now footage of nearly every game. Kane aside, it has been the best part of 20 years since any of those played a competitive game. You said top players never do it. Myself and another have provided video evidence of top players doing it. Congratulations So it’s a trend is it ..... a good penalty taker is or was a good penalty taker , whichever era Virtually all of the most successful , particularly domestically wouldn’t even consider it It’s a high risk technique that should be reserved for ‘***** with oversized egos’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: Congratulations So it’s a trend is it ..... a good penalty taker is or was a good penalty taker , whichever era Virtually all of the most successful , particularly domestically wouldn’t even consider it It’s a high risk technique that should be reserved for ‘***** with oversized egos’ Ah, so you try them often then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Ah, so you try them often then? So , unusually on here , you are looking to butt heads are you James Ill let you sleep off your pint of lager as I have no interest in debating with you or arguing with you tbh Sleep,tight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: So , unusually on here , you are looking to butt heads are you James Ill let you sleep off your pint of lager as I have no interest in debating with you or arguing with you tbh Sleep,tight I made that comment because it was an accurate description. 2 people have given you evidence of top players missing while doing a Panenka, including 2 players in the discussion of the best player ever. But you dismissed that. You changed you argument to no top domestic players trying it, and when I pointed out that Panenkas have become a fashionable thing to try over the last 10 years, yet you also completely dismissed that without considering the fact that 15 years ago most people wouldn't have been able to tell you what a Panenka was unless they perhaps remembered it being done in the European Championships in the 70s. It is also attempted a lot more now than 20 years ago because it is a fashionable penalty. Evidence- in the last few weeks there's Wells and Lookman both trying it, and I guarantee more could be found if you really looked. So on two occasions you have dismissed reality in order to stick with an inaccurate statement, that is why I made the comment I did. Just accept you were wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 55 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: I was thinking domestically Try finding a Shearer , Kane , Le Tissier , Ray Steward Phil Neal one Mr Sarcasm (Shock) Maybe take note that if Players with the technique of Pirlo or Neymar look complete ***** when it fails , don’t try it if you are Nahki Wells or Lookman Shearer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 Didn't even make the goal, easiest penalty save ever! Godawful pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 5 hours ago, JamesBCFC said: I made that comment because it was an accurate description. 2 people have given you evidence of top players missing while doing a Panenka, including 2 players in the discussion of the best player ever. But you dismissed that. You changed you argument to no top domestic players trying it, and when I pointed out that Panenkas have become a fashionable thing to try over the last 10 years, yet you also completely dismissed that without considering the fact that 15 years ago most people wouldn't have been able to tell you what a Panenka was unless they perhaps remembered it being done in the European Championships in the 70s. It is also attempted a lot more now than 20 years ago because it is a fashionable penalty. Evidence- in the last few weeks there's Wells and Lookman both trying it, and I guarantee more could be found if you really looked. So on two occasions you have dismissed reality in order to stick with an inaccurate statement, that is why I made the comment I did. Just accept you were wrong. You can present whatever facts you like about “fashionable” and players scoring them but what I do know is that in lots of promotion chasing and relegation threatened teams up and down the country if some little selfish, egotistical scrote missed a vital last minute penalty to get a point or a win in that fashion there would be abuse dished out towards the idiot and probably punches thrown afterwards. Whatever Fulham say in public to try and show unity you can guarantee that Lookman would have got plenty going his way in the dressing room afterwards, either that or the cold shoulder from quite a few for a while, and too bloody right he should have. You don’t do a 12k, pick up plenty of cuts and bruises and work your nuts off over 90 minutes for a little show off to cost you a point like that cos he wants to look cool on YouTube. I would be amazed if anybody can seriously defend that manner of taking a penalty in that particular situation. Perhaps you should phone up Scott Parker and explain to him how he’s got it all wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Numero Uno said: You can present whatever facts you like about “fashionable” and players scoring them but what I do know is that in lots of promotion chasing and relegation threatened teams up and down the country if some little selfish, egotistical scrote missed a vital last minute penalty to get a point or a win in that fashion there would be abuse dished out towards the idiot and probably punches thrown afterwards. Whatever Fulham say in public to try and show unity you can guarantee that Lookman would have got plenty going his way in the dressing room afterwards, either that or the cold shoulder from quite a few for a while, and too bloody right he should have. You don’t do a 12k, pick up plenty of cuts and bruises and work your nuts off over 90 minutes for a little show off to cost you a point like that cos he wants to look cool on YouTube. I would be amazed if anybody can seriously defend that manner of taking a penalty in that particular situation. Perhaps you should phone up Scott Parker and explain to him how he’s got it all wrong I wasnt defending the penalty at all. I didn't even point to players scoring it either. I was challenging the false claim that top players never do the Panenka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 1 minute ago, JamesBCFC said: I wasnt defending the penalty at all. I didn't even point to players scoring it either. I was challenging the false claim that top players never do the Panenka. I was just making a general point using your comment as the basis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Numero Uno said: I was just making a general point using your comment as the basis Ah, fair enough. Was the bit at the end about explaining it to Parker that seemed like it was being addressed to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 1 minute ago, JamesBCFC said: Ah, fair enough. Was the bit at the end about explaining it to Parker that seemed like it was being addressed to me. No, that’s addressed to anyone generally who can defend the manner of taking that penalty in the circumstances which could, not saying it will, cost Scott Parker his job!! I’m sure Lookman would be devastated if that happened but it wouldn’t help Scott Parker much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 8 hours ago, Wade Wilson said: Just in case anyone needs a good giggle and hasn’t seen it I wonder which team his money was on at the bookies for a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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