Spitting

[Redandproud]

Am I wrong or not, when football was given the go-ahead, I'm sure one rules stated, by EFL&Premier league, that due to the current situation with covid, it was a bookable offence to spit or blow your nose out on the pitch during the game, referees had to take action, to stop the spread of the virus, games could go ahead under this rule, set by the government 

[kiwicolin]

Yep , I think you're right in that but unfortunately everyone would be booked.  

[italian dave]

Except when we play Birmingham, when their players will report Fam who'll get a six game ban!

[Redandproud]

8 minutes ago, kiwicolin said:

Yep , I think you're right in that but unfortunately everyone would be booked.  

Then the referee's should enforce the rule, 

[David Brent]

I’m sure someone will come on here and post how it’s necessary for athletes to spit.

I’m not having it. Should be a yellow card offence to spit anywhere on the pitch.

[GlastonburyRed]

Deano caught spitting on the Sky feed the other night, tut tut!

[Guest]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-on-phased-return-of-sport-and-recreation/return-to-recreational-team-sport-framework

Under hygiene, It doesn't say, must not, it says refrain.

It's open to interpretation so it will continue to happen.

[Bazooka Joe]

33 minutes ago, GlastonburyRed said:

Deano caught spitting on the Sky feed the other night, tut tut!

In that case, I don't recommend eating any of that Sky feed.

[phantom]

55 minutes ago, Redandproud said:

Am I wrong or not, when football was given the go-ahead, I'm sure one rules stated, by EFL&Premier league, that due to the current situation with covid, it was a bookable offence to spit or blow your nose out on the pitch during the game, referees had to take action, to stop the spread of the virus, games could go ahead under this rule, set by the government 

Incorrect.

There was never a rule

Just seen answer linked above 

[AppyDAZE]

1 hour ago, GlastonburyRed said:

Deano caught spitting on the Sky feed the other night, tut tut!

It did look poor, I saw that too. Imagine (when we are there again) the fans feeling the need to spit. It's really that simple. A coach doesn't need to stand there spitting.

[Redandproud]

2 hours ago, bcfcfinker said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-on-phased-return-of-sport-and-recreation/return-to-recreational-team-sport-framework

Under hygiene, It doesn't say, must not, it says refrain.

It's open to interpretation so it will continue to happen.

Yeh, that means "DONT DO IT"

[Bar BS3]

Heavy breathing increases the chances of spreading any covid.  Should players not run incase they puff a bit...?

Players are tested 2 times a week. It's probably the safest environment going. 

Nobody likes seeing spitting, but it's a naturally induced result of exercise and clearing the air ways. 

Sports people have done it for ever and can't just stop doing a natural habit. 

[phantom]

24 minutes ago, Redandproud said:

Yeh, that means "DONT DO IT"

Essentially comes down to nothing more than you don't like it

[Redandproud]

1 hour ago, phantom said:

Essentially comes down to nothing more than you don't like it

Would you like to fall on the ground and into someone's flem under these certain times, like coronavirus, with the chance of it in your face, 

[David Brent]

1 hour ago, phantom said:

Essentially comes down to nothing more than you don't like it

Who does like it? 

[David Brent]

2 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

Heavy breathing increases the chances of spreading any covid.  Should players not run incase they puff a bit...?

Players are tested 2 times a week. It's probably the safest environment going. 

Nobody likes seeing spitting, but it's a naturally induced result of exercise and clearing the air ways. 

Sports people have done it for ever and can't just stop doing a natural habit. 

I’m a sports person and I don’t spit. Must be a habit of mine.

[Rossi the Robin]

I never used to spit whilst playing, I was normally too hungover and dehydrated to be able to 

[BRISTOL86]

3 hours ago, AppyDAZE said:

It did look poor, I saw that too. Imagine (when we are there again) the fans feeling the need to spit. It's really that simple. A coach doesn't need to stand there spitting.

Surprised more hasn’t been made of this. Absolutely grim, and completely unnecessary. Do better Deano. 

[phantom]

1 hour ago, Redandproud said:

Would you like to fall on the ground and into someone's flem under these certain times, like coronavirus, with the chance of it in your face, 

Such a bizarre comment to make. 

Make your mind up first you were randomly posting about spitting now you've changed to phlegm.

[phantom]

5 hours ago, David Brent said:

I’m sure someone will come on here and post how it’s necessary for athletes to spit.

From a BBC article:

For many, seeing someone spit in the street is unpleasant, but one councillor is going as far as demanding it be outlawed. So is spitting ever justified, asks Tom de Castella.

A few centuries ago spitting in the street was as normal as tipping your chamber pot out of the window.

Today "flobbing" or "gobbing" as it's colloquially known, is considered by many to be ugly, anti-social and potentially disease spreading.

And yet it's a taboo that is regularly broken by people with a mouthful of phlegm. Some like England footballer Wayne Rooney - who was accused in October 2008 of spitting at a photographer - use spitting to show contempt.

But while spitting at people is manifestly unacceptable, the mere act of spitting on the pavement is not so clear-cut. For some, it's socially acceptable, for others it is a gruesome piece of anti-social behaviour.

Now the problem has come to a head with a north London councillor calling for spitting in public places to be banned. Councillor Chris Bond, Enfield Council's cabinet member for environment, has asked Justice Secretary Ken Clarke to let local authorities introduce by-laws prohibiting the practice.

Until 1990, spitting was an offence carrying a £5 fine and Bond wants the new ban to be enforced by litter wardens.

"It is my belief that most people find spitting a wholly obnoxious, filthy habit which can spread germs and causes health issues," Bond says.

"Banning spitting in Enfield will help combat tuberculosis which has been on the increase in London."

So is spitting unhealthy?

During the 1940s, when tuberculosis was widespread it was common to see "Spitting Prohibited" signs on the buses, says Sir Hugh Pennington, emeritus professor of bacteriology at Aberdeen University. "TB was still very common. The signs were justified for a packed bus where everyone was smoking and coughing. But the situation's changed - the rate of TB has dropped like a stone."

It's theoretically possible for a lump of spit on the pavement to spread TB, he says. The spit would have to contain the tubercle bacillus and dry out of sunlight, which kills the bacteria.

The particle would need to be blown into the air while the sample was still fresh and be inhaled directly into someone's lung. Such a scenario is highly unlikely - these days TB is rare and the saliva is more likely to be washed away by the rain or destroyed by ultraviolet rays.

What is much more dangerous than spit, is vomiting in public, which can pass on the far more infectious norovirus, Professor Pennington says. "The councillor's right to say spitting is a nuisance like people urinating in the street. But it's not a public health issue."

But the health issue is not what the opponents of spitting are necessarily concerned about.

Simon Fanshawe, author of The Done Thing, praises Bond for taking a stand against an ugly habit. "Well done him. None of us like being spat at."

But still it's hard to put one's finger on exactly why many people find spitting so repugnant. In China and Turkey there is no problem with spitting in public, it's simply a convenient way of removing something unpleasant from one's mouth.

Part of the problem with spitting is the showing off, Fanshawe says. With a guttural growl we summon up a perfect specimen of hockle before launching it grenade-like to some unseen target across the pavement.

"Spitting in the gutter or grate is not so bad. What people object to is the casual spraying around of saliva, doing it without thought for people's feelings," he says. Before the advent of sewers everyone spat in the street, he acknowledges. "Victorian cities just stank - people vomited, urinated and spat in the street. We've got rather genteel since then and locked away our bodily functions."

Fanshawe feels our newfound gentility is a function of our more developed society and people should respect our more fastidious sensibilities. And new rules, like the introduction of quiet coaches on trains, might help but the crucial aspect is a sense of public outrage, he argues.

"The best way to stop spitting is for the good citizens to confront people and say 'excuse me would you mind not doing that please?' The police certainly haven't got the time to stop it," he says.

And at the moment it's only sportsmen like Rooney and golfer Tiger Woods - caught on camera in February's Dubai Desert Classic - who are publicly shamed for spitting.

But Woods was defended by America commentators. Many amateur athletes, especially joggers, can be seen spitting out a mouthful of saliva in the street. So do we need to cut them some slack, and therefore think hard before an absolute ban?

John Brewer, professor of sport at Bedfordshire University and a keen marathon runner, says there's a reason many runners spit. Running at a modest pace a jogger will breathe in and out 150 litres of air every minute, he says. "That inevitably dries the mouth. And while some runners deal with it by swallowing others find that it's better to spit out that dry saliva."

But Brewer urges runners to think twice before they spit. "It's not the most socially endearing of habits that will put runners in a good light. So if you really need to spit do it into a handkerchief or if you haven't got anything one, do it into your T shirt. There's always a way to avoid flobbing onto the pavement."

But for David Castle, editor of Running Fitness, people need to keep a sense of proportion. "I'll own up and say I'm a spitter. I don't see it as a problem. I've run for 30 years and think it's just part and parcel of running."

When you're exercising you build up an excess of saliva and sometimes that means spitting, he argues. As long as you direct the saliva towards the ground rather than in someone's face there's no problem, he believes. But context is all.

It may be okay for runners but spitting in the street is forbidden for the humble pedestrian, he adds.

And as long as there is ambiguity, the disgusted beholders may be left waiting for their crackdown

[Bristol Oil Services]

Graeme Souness was a hard man and a top, top exponent of the nose-clear - with a macho, bushy 80s tache, he had to be.

I once saw Phil Purnell try it, and half of it got caught in his upper lip hair. Appropriately, he wiped it with his unpleasant quartered polyester top (true story).

[Guest]

12 hours ago, Redandproud said:

Am I wrong or not, when football was given the go-ahead, I'm sure one rules stated, by EFL&Premier league, that due to the current situation with covid, it was a bookable offence to spit or blow your nose out on the pitch during the game, referees had to take action, to stop the spread of the virus, games could go ahead under this rule, set by the government 

To confirm what @phantom said, it is not a bookable offence.

FIFA left it to the local associations: 

 

So all said and done, even though at the height of first wave the media/social media/etc. indicated that it 'could' be a yellow card, it hasn't happened.

Unless you have a link to the FA site that says anything to the contrary, it was all good intention and bluster.

9 hours ago, Redandproud said:

Yeh, that means "DONT DO IT"

You can say 'don't do it' as much as you want, however unless there are consequences, it's just guidance.

Football players engage in high levels of physical exertion and I understand the need to spit on occasion.

My view, some spit excessively out of habit rather than need but I'm not going to get hung up on it.

[AshtonGreat]

Never mind spit, Gary Lineker took a shit on the pitch during the 1990 World Cup

[Mad Cyril]

Its pathetic that footballers need to spit.

They should take a lesson from the ladies on Pornhub.

[City oz]

No one really needs to spit unless they have been hit in the mouth. Why spit when you have an option to swallow.

[City oz]

56 minutes ago, City oz said:

No one really needs to spit unless they have been hit in the mouth. Why spit when you have an option to swallow.

OMG didn’t Debbie do this exercise in Dallas 

[downendcity]

23 hours ago, Redandproud said:

Then the referee's should enforce the rule, 

No they'll leave it to VAR, as they do with most contentious decisions! 

[downendcity]

29 minutes ago, City oz said:

OMG didn’t Debbie do this exercise in Dallas 

Is that a Cowboys trick play?

[BetterRedthanBlue]

I thought the rule was if you deliberately spit or sneeze/clear your nose at a player it's an offence. 

[MarcusX]

On 08/11/2020 at 11:42, David Brent said:

I’m sure someone will come on here and post how it’s necessary for athletes to spit.

I’m not having it. Should be a yellow card offence to spit anywhere on the pitch.

I don't know why (should probably look into it) but I get quite a lot of build up in my nostrils when I run or play football. Strangely not so much other exercises, doesn't happen in the gym.

Some people will need to more than others, not really any reason for Dean to do it whilst on the sidelines. For some its probably habit as much as anything