Clevedon Red Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Court case anyone??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swan and Cemetery Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 They gave it to Red Bull on a plate, thought if you let lapped cars through, you have to let them catch up? Lapped cars allowed through and Verstappen able to get onto new soft tyres meant it was no contest final lap. 2 freebie pit stops won that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Obviously luck plays it's part in sport, but the fact is the only reason Lewis didn't win today is because two other drivers crashed in incidents completely unrelated to him. Seems a bit primitive for high-end professional sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Just now, The Swan and Cemetery said: They gave it to Red Bull on a plate, thought if you let lapped cars through, you have to let them catch up? Lapped cars allowed through and Verstappen able to get onto new soft tyres meant it was no contest final lap. 2 freebie pit stops won that. Some lapped cars let through, only the ones between Lewis and Max. None of the others. Protocol thrown out the window for the marketeers preferred result 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Am I the only one who enjoyed that?! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Very classy from Lewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swan and Cemetery Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, WarksRobin said: Some lapped cars let through, only the ones between Lewis and Max. None of the others. Protocol thrown out the window for the marketeers preferred result Yep, basically organised to get Verstappen on Hamilton’s back tyres, with new soft tyres vs knackered hard tyres, great racing… oh no, just marketing as you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Get in there Max Great Result 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Am I the only one who enjoyed that?! Looks like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Am I the only one who enjoyed that?! No Loved it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Brilliant stuff. Deserved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, TomF said: This is wh American company not giving two hoots Now they can sell more Red Bull and orange T-shirts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 That’s me done with the contrived rubbish! ….I’m all for winning fair and square and this wasn’t the case. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 “It’s called a motor race!” 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Slippin cider said: That’s me done with the contrived rubbish! ….I’m all for winning fair and square and this wasn’t the case. I wonder whether Mercedes will decide to withdraw from F1, as they have from Formula E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Very classy from Lewis Yep, wouldn't have got that interview a few years ago. Was actually expecting his helmet to go flying when he got out of the car. You can understand the ruling in some respects - the comment from Massey about racing is fair enough, but it does stink. No accident results in Max having to get through the pack and race Lewis. That ruling just gives Max the chance to run at Lewis on fresher tyres, with nobody between them and give no chance of Lewis getting the chance to "race back". Horner would be steaming if firstly Red Bull were in Mercedes position now, and secondly if they would have said we'll extend the race by 2 laps to give you both the chance to race properly. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, TomF said: Can you imagine if that was the other way around how much crying Karen would be doing? That’s what sucks, he’d be going batshit crazy, Max wouldn’t even take the podium Beat me to it by seconds. Absolute shocking end to a great season. Makes good television though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 19 hours ago, grifty said: I don’t mind which of them wins as long as there’s a lot of good wheel to wheel racing and it’s won by the better driver on the day rather than by a stewards penalty. Nevermind 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Damon Hill nails it as usual. Red Bull took risks on strategy, Mercedes were very conservative and it cost them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Farcical. Wasn’t decided on the track but an anonymous rule-maker. Watched the last 30 minutes of the race, my first viewing of a grand prix since about 1997. Won’t be bothering again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 I would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 22 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: “It’s called a motor race!” It’s called a fix and a made up interpretation of the rules ! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 You have to wonder whether Mercedes’ will be protesting the result given rules were made up for the good of the show which disadvantaged the lead car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 People saying Max was lucky seem to forget the luck Lewis had to win his first title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, East Londoner said: You have to wonder whether Mercedes’ will be protesting the result given rules were made up for the good of the show which disadvantaged the lead car They're never going to overturn the result, but I imagine lawyers are being consulted by Merc. It really highlights how vague the FIA rules are. There should be cast-iron regulations to decide on situations like this. It shouldn't be left to the race director and stewards to interpret things how they wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 What an absolute stitch up that was. Too many F1 races are decided by race controllers, rather than the skill of the drivers and car designers. They appear to do things deliberately to manufacture controversy and therefore headlines. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Super said: People saying Max was lucky seem to forget the luck Lewis had to win his first title. Not really got much to do with this though. The issue is the FIA should have either let ALL lapped cars through or none. Not the 5 in-between Hamilton and Verstappen so they could have a race on the last lap. Just doesn't sit right with me and a shame the season had to finish under such controversial circumstances. There's lot of people (including a few in this thread) saying it was the first race they've watched in X number of years and won't again because of the ending. That's what this race will be remembered for. As a side note, I was impressed at how magnanimous Hamilton was after the race. Obviously disappointed, but still did interviews, congratulated Max and stayed on the podium sprayed him with champagne and congratulated Max and Horner. Where was Max on the podium at Jeddah? He ran off out the back immediately the national anthems were gone. Seems strange that the 'Hamilton haters' won't bring this up... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: They're never going to overturn the result, but I imagine lawyers are being consulted by Merc. It really highlights how vague the FIA rules are. There should be cast-iron regulations to decide on situations like this. It shouldn't be left to the race director and stewards to interpret things how they wish. Two protests have been launched, So we could go from a unsatisfactory way of deciding the champion to a even more unsatisfactory one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 This is going to be carnage, thing is there’s nothing to say if all cars had been let through that max wouldn’t have caught Lewis anyway, so what decision could you implement if they decide it was wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Just now, East Londoner said: Two protests have been launched, So we could go from a unsatisfactory way of deciding the champion to a even more unsatisfactory one I'd be stunned if they overturned the race result - and remember Mercedes did still win the constructors championship. You've got to question Michael Masi's future at FIA though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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