The Gasbuster Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, WarksRobin said: The regs say that after letting lapped cars through, the safety car should complete a further lap before entering the pits. They just didn’t follow their own procedures. Reckon this could end in a count back and Lewis awarded the win. Here’s hoping ! Lewis has been cheated IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, TomF said: Horner comes out of meeting with FIA looking extremely pissed. This is going to get messy.. Kimi needs a new job. Imagine Whats he got to be annoyed about? His guy lost by 12 seconds in any reasonable sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, TomF said: Horner comes out of meeting with FIA looking extremely pissed. This is going to get messy.. Kimi needs a new job. Imagine Kimi just like ‘don’t make me come down there’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Mercedes have taken a barrister into the stewards room. Clearly ready to appeal in court or to CAS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, TomF said: At best they should null the race and let them share the championship. Not sure a protest to "apply the rules as they are written" ending in a decision to not apply the rules as they written seems particularly logical - if the result is null and void, it is definitively clear who is to be determined as the winner of the drivers championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Interlagos 2003 Jordan appealed a result and Fisichella and Raikkonens final positions swapped. Not equivalent circumstances, but a race result changed after the initial one was wrong because of stewards/race director Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 The cynic in me thinks Mercedes second protest regarding Max overtaking whilst under the safety car which he did for about a second will be used to get the fia off the hook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 A couple of years ago the chequered flag was shown a lap early and the final lap was declared void, and the result was the positions at the point the flag was shown, ie a lap short of full race distance. I think a couple of overtakes were reversed as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 I'm not sure I'd want the decision to be changed from now. I'd prefer it if they learnt from the experience and tightened up the rules. I also think there should be 2-3 assistant race directors who take the DPs calls from the main race director and shield them from potential influence like what we saw with Horner and Woolf. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Utterly pathetic all this. Max got lucky and the racing steward didn’t have a clue. End of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsince1994 Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, grifty said: I'm not sure I'd want the decision to be changed from now. I'd prefer it if they learnt from the experience and tightened up the rules. I also think there should be 2-3 assistant race directors who take the DPs calls from the main race director and shield them from potential influence like what we saw with Horner and Woolf. Completely agree. As much as I think the race finish was a farce, it would be even worse if it is overturned. As it is, use this to sack Masi and have some serious investigation into the rulebook, with driver input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 This is the best description I’ve found of what happened 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 What are the experts saying? Do they think it will get overturned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 F1 has become a farce. Racing comes last. Pit stops, tyres, pit strategy, safety car, red flags, stewards etc etc..racing is now at a premium. Today's result was the equivalent of being 3 up, and the ref deciding it's going to penalties instead and VAR taking over. F1 has all the ingredients to be a great sport...spoilt by rules and regs. Let them friggin race, make cars suitable for racing and tracks that allow passing. It's not rocket science is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Verstappen confirmed Champ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Other protest still to be decided... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Rob k said: What are the experts saying? Do they think it will get overturned? Not sure he'd count as an "expert" but Jake Humphrey who used to present (I believe) said he has a feeling it may get overturned 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Whoever loses the decision will appeal anyway so won’t be decided for certain tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Decision at 6-45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erithacus Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Can't wait for the movie of this to come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, TomF said: Yeah it’s going to court then whats been said? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Just now, JamesBCFC said: whats been said? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, TomF said: Not been upheld and Karen celebrating with Max disgraceful decision off to the CAS then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) Masses hasn't applied the written FIA rules, he's done a half cooked neither nor job. As @spudskisaid above, racing has come second, absolutely farcical and Masi is at fault here. Edited December 12, 2021 by Ska Junkie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Sport in the gutter again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, TomF said: So sounds like there is a get out of jail card for Massi where what he decides overrides any other rule No point whatsoever in the massive FIA rule book then. Max hasn't done anything wrong at all but Mercedes do have just cause here IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 **** off Mercedes. Let the bloke rightfully celebrate his first World Title. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Just now, Super said: **** off Mercedes. Let the bloke rightfully celebrate his first World Title. **** off. A title was taken away from someone on the final lap and given to another driver because of regulations getting broken 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Swan and Cemetery Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, TomF said: So sounds like there is a get out of jail card for Massi where what he decides overrides any other rule Similar to a football referee deciding in the last minute of the Champions League final that the handball rule is abolished and allowing a goal carried into the net NFL style and afterwards UEFA saying referee’s decision is final. True that the referee’s decision is final, but most teams that won that way wouldn’t feel comfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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