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11 hours ago, nebristolred said:

That's entirely Max's fault for me, not often I disagree with Brundle but I can't picture it any other way. Max is entitled to go into T1, Lewis gives him room. As they enter T2, Max is never making that corner, there is no room and he should back out, but he doesn't. And his radio message afterwards pretty much confirms that he knew it was naughty.

Earlier in the race Max squeezes Lewis and Lewis backed off across the infield.

Verstappen lacks the maturity to make that kind of decision and expects everyone to move out the way of him.

 

The longer this season goes on, the more of a bellend he acts.

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9 hours ago, Maltshoveller said:

One day there will be a crash involving LH

and he will get the blame (well may be)

Bit like when he does not win the race its not his fault its the cars or the tyres or ANYTHING else but him

Hamilton was at blame for his crash with Button at Canada 2011, that's one off the top of my head.

There will be others too.

So take your own blinkers off.

 

Although, after your words on taking the knee one does wonder if there's a connection.

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10 hours ago, walnutroof said:

So Max gets a 3 place grid penalty, if red bull have any sense they’ll bring forward the change of power unit and thereby consolidate their penalties 

If Red bull did that then the FIA should delay the 3 place grid drop because it would be a clear action to undermine the punishment for dangerous driving.

Not sure if there is a precedent for this though.

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To be honest I was thinking it might be a 5-place grid penalty so it's probably fair. There's no doubt in my mind that Verstappen is at fault for this, and possibly intended it, but the decision point at which he had to back out was a time of probably around what, half a second? It's pure instinct at that point isn't it. It's cynical but it's not Dan Ticktum level of endangering drivers.

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35 minutes ago, nebristolred said:

To be honest I was thinking it might be a 5-place grid penalty so it's probably fair. There's no doubt in my mind that Verstappen is at fault for this, and possibly intended it, but the decision point at which he had to back out was a time of probably around what, half a second? It's pure instinct at that point isn't it. It's cynical but it's not Dan Ticktum level of endangering drivers.

Having a real battle for the title is better for the sport, and I like Verstappen as a driver. He is very aggressive. My only issue at the weekend was his attitude after the crash. Not checking LH was OK after driving over his car was shocking

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7 hours ago, JamesBCFC said:

If Red bull did that then the FIA should delay the 3 place grid drop because it would be a clear action to undermine the punishment for dangerous driving.

Not sure if there is a precedent for this though.

I don’t necessarily think it was dangerous driving and thought the same about Silverstone. What all sports fans ask for is consistency and that’s probably why a penalty was given yesterday. 

As far as I’m aware there’s nothing stopping them for taking the engine penalty at Sochi if they so wish. If Hamilton is going to need a new power unit at some point then maybe they could do that at Sochi too as he’d be in front of Verstappen but these engine penalties are farcical and punish the drivers more than the teams like when Honda engine was shit and they regularly had ridiculous penalties like 90 places or something stupid like that 
 

 

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3 minutes ago, walnutroof said:

I don’t necessarily think it was dangerous driving and thought the same about Silverstone. What all sports fans ask for is consistency and that’s probably why a penalty was given yesterday. 

As far as I’m aware there’s nothing stopping them for taking the engine penalty at Sochi if they so wish. If Hamilton is going to need a new power unit at some point then maybe they could do that at Sochi too as he’d be in front of Verstappen but these engine penalties are farcical and punish the drivers more than the teams like when Honda engine was shit and they regularly had ridiculous penalties like 90 places or something stupid like that 
 

 

Well, it's for causing an incident.

In either case, taking the engine penalty and avoiding the one for causing the crash is still undermining the FIA and shouldn't be possible (and this isn't just a Max thing, I can remember wondering about this when I was younger and thinking it was a stupid way the ruling can be exploited to avoid the intended punishment).

Equally Hamilton could also take his engine change and drop at Sochi too, but if his is fine for a few more races then having to do it so Red Bull can avoid their drivers punishment is still a disadvantage to him because it means he is losing his engine being newer later in the season and having less wear, all to make sure Red Bull don't escape the punishment given to Max.

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The gap was  not there to go for, and Max had no business in even trying to force the move. Was he really expecting Lewis to just pull wide and go "oh alright then seeing as you're trying to push me wide, have the position".

He gambled, came massively unstuck, and made himself look a bit of a cock, especially when he got out of the car and just walked off, without even checking that Hamilton was OK, despite seeing his car on top of the other. That in itself, shows that he knew he was at fault straight away.

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9 hours ago, Taz said:

The gap was  not there to go for, and Max had no business in even trying to force the move. Was he really expecting Lewis to just pull wide and go "oh alright then seeing as you're trying to push me wide, have the position".

He gambled, came massively unstuck, and made himself look a bit of a cock, especially when he got out of the car and just walked off, without even checking that Hamilton was OK, despite seeing his car on top of the other. That in itself, shows that he knew he was at fault straight away.

Good driver but he is coming across as a bit of a tosser this year. 

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On 12/09/2021 at 18:34, TonyTonyTony said:

3 place grid penalty for Max says it all.

I lost respect for him today, not necessarily because of the incident but his attitude. He must have known he had been on top of Hamilton’s car and did not ask if he was ok. Radio message was basically “**** you” and he just walked off. Nasty little shit

I was watching on my phone in a field, so didn’t have the best view, but when Verstappen was getting out of his car, Hamilton was still trying to drive (reverse), so it was fairly obvious he was OK.

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To be fair I think he is widely regarded as being one of the best of the next generation, and one who should challenge for World Championships when given the right car. It's quite telling that the top 4 teams all have one young 'star' that they expect to go long with, those being Verstappen, Norris, Leclerc and from next year, Russell, though Norris is a bit younger than the rest of them.

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16 hours ago, slartibartfast said:

I know next to nothing about F1, but how come no one is mentioning Bristol's Lando Norris ?

Lando had a good race, did everything he could do and finished second. Bear in mind though that both Hamilton and Verstappen didn't finish.

With Lando going to Mercedes next season, you'd have to assume he will be further up the grid on a more consistent basis due to having a better car at his disposal. 

Time will tell with him, but he does seem to be one of (if not the best) young drivers to come onto the scene for a long time. A couple of seasons with Hamilton (maybe) could only be a good thing for him.

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3 hours ago, frenchred said:

because he’s not in the best car so has no chance?

 

42 minutes ago, Taz said:

Lando had a good race, did everything he could do and finished second. Bear in mind though that both Hamilton and Verstappen didn't finish.

With Lando going to Mercedes next season, you'd have to assume he will be further up the grid on a more consistent basis due to having a better car at his disposal. 

Time will tell with him, but he does seem to be one of (if not the best) young drivers to come onto the scene for a long time. A couple of seasons with Hamilton (maybe) could only be a good thing for him.

Yes, I understand that, but I was talking of general national media, they hardly mention him............" oh, by the way some chap from somewhere in England  got a podium finish, in the main news Hamilton takes the knee " !

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52 minutes ago, Taz said:

Lando had a good race, did everything he could do and finished second. Bear in mind though that both Hamilton and Verstappen didn't finish.

With Lando going to Mercedes next season, you'd have to assume he will be further up the grid on a more consistent basis due to having a better car at his disposal. 

Time will tell with him, but he does seem to be one of (if not the best) young drivers to come onto the scene for a long time. A couple of seasons with Hamilton (maybe) could only be a good thing for him.

It's George Russell going to Merc next year, not Lando.

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