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57 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

I know it is off topic but I really struggle with this sweeping statement.

Goater, Akinbiyi, Maynard, Baldock, Reid, Kodjia & Abraham have all been prolific for us over the relatively recent past.

I actually think we have been pretty lucky with our front men, we currently have the much maligned Diedhiou who has 39 goals in 94 starts, 30 sub appearances, too. The best record of his career.

Strikers certainly do no worse on average here than they do elsewhere, no matter what some may think.

The ones I can think of who struggled such as Trundle or a couple of poor foreign signings like Engvall & Styvar, simply never did it at the level we were at for anyone else, either..

Bang on - and going back just a little further you've got Andy Cole, Bob Taylor, etc.

In fact, despite our rather modest achievements we haven't half been spoiled at times with some fabulous front men.

That doesn't mean we haven't bought any duds upfront, but then again we've bought duds all over the rest of the pitch as well - and we're not alone in that. You can apply that to every single team on the planet. No-one gets it right all of the time. 

Talk of a strikers curse is bananas and simply doesn't stand up to even the gentlest scrutiny. 

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23 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Great point about Reid, our record with producing goalkeepers & strikers ourselves have both been equally woeful over the years.

Unbelievably up until Max O’Leary we hadn’t produced a keeper ourselves since Ray Cashley if we take Steve Phillips as a product of Paulton Rovers & despite a few local youngsters like Ricky Chandler, Nigel Hawkins, Dominic Barclay, Jennison Myrie-Williams & ahem, Marvin Brown all getting their chance with us, none of them “made it”.

Let’s hope Antoine Semenyo ends that barren run, too.

Can I throw in an absolute wild card of Wayne Brown who played one game for us in goal having come through the ranks, and then, IIRC, had a decent lower league career. Think he made his debut on the last day of a season?

Or am I totally wrong!

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33 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

 

As a wildcard I always thought Colin Cramb could have been a real gem who could have taken us somewhere , if he’d looked after himself 

 

 Very good shout re Cramb. Intelligent footballer. Could play as a striker or just behind. Poor man’s Sheringham type of thing. Clarkson was a bit like that, too. I also rated Christian Roberts who, like Cramb, had an off-field lifestyle that didn’t go well with being a professional sportsman.

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2 hours ago, Sheltons Army said:

Born Lockleaze and went to Swansea Uni - Think he was here Dave but went to Uni rather than a traditional apprenticeship of the time ( We also had few if any apprentices at time due to being broke  ) 

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2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Swansea University, I believe.

Ah, yes, you’re right.  Actually recall seeing him in Bristol Boys photos.

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27 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

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Ah, yes, you’re right.  Actually recall seeing him in Bristol Boys photos.

As I say Dave - I’m not sure we had any ‘youth system’ at all at that time 

We signed a few when they were 18 and a few from non league 

It was only when YTS came in that we had apprentices again IIRC

Until Jordan took over we had no coaching set up , no coaching schools , let alone academy for any age below the YTS lads , who had one coach

 

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I think it is a major reason why we have’nt produced many top quality players until the more recent years - 

Between 82 and probably the mid 90s we had nothing or nothing in even a basic youth set up - Over 10 years - incredible really 

Even then it was far from ideal , from scouting to any real development and the set up now is literally light years ahead of where we were , and that’s putting it mildly 

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6 minutes ago, 2015 said:

His worst performance for us in a City shirt was yesterday. Think he gave away possession on about 8 occasions. 

However, he shouldn't be played out wide and should be up front and not be involved with build up play as he isnt good enough for it

I don't know about that. He's had equally as bad games I think before that one. 

Games where he can't control it, can't pass it. His passing is so often wild.

For me he should be either a number 9 or not in the side.

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Just now, JonDolman said:

I don't know about that. He's had equally as bad games I think before that one. 

Games where he can't control it, can't pass it. His passing is so often wild.

For me he should be either a number 9 or not in the side.

Yeah I mean he has had so many bad games , when we've won that you excuse it, think because we lost yesterday it highlighted even more how bad he was. He isn't a footballer imo, just a pure goalscorer and you're bang on, either he is literally the number 9 scoring our goals or he is on the bench.

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16 hours ago, Shuffle said:

Has to be played central otherwise how can you judge him??? Wouldn’t say I’m his biggest fan but what the hell do we create to judge him on? 

100%.

Thought particularly of his goal at Stoke where he was central & finished superbly from Martin’s knock down.

Playing 4/3/3 may suit Semenyo but it definitely doesn’t suit Wells.
 

 

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2 minutes ago, 2015 said:

Yeah I mean he has had so many bad games , when we've won that you excuse it, think because we lost yesterday it highlighted even more how bad he was. He isn't a footballer imo, just a pure goalscorer and you're bang on, either he is literally the number 9 scoring our goals or he is on the bench.

It was a terrible signing by LJ. Unless we played him in a way that gets the best out of him, then we should not have signed him.

 

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27 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

He was a ‘lazy’ buy - he’s ok / decent but he’s never been above that - not sure why so many were expecting more tbh 

It's amazing that Dyche thought he'd be good enough for the prem. Absolutely nothing like a Dyche type striker who can hold it up and win headers, use their physical strength.

I always wanted Toney here, but probably impossible with Brentford probably being a more attractive club to go to for a striker and the money they had to spend after selling Watkins.

I was quite happy with the signing if we played him to his strengths, but we haven't. And playing to his strengths, him in the number 9 with Pato in behind might be best for him, but might not be best for us as a team.

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4 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

It's amazing that Dyche thought he'd be good enough for the prem. Absolutely nothing like a Dyche type striker who can hold it up and win headers, use their physical strength.

I always wanted Toney here, but probably impossible with Brentford probably being a more attractive club to go to for a striker and the money they had to spend after selling Watkins.

I was quite happy with the signing if we played him to his strengths, but we haven't. And playing to his strengths, him in the number 9 with Pato in behind might be best for him, but might not be best for us as a team.

LJ bought him ‘starry eyed’ at the highest scorer in Championship at the time (His best career half season) and without a plan how to utilise him to his best (I remember discussing it with Dave Fevs when we bought him)

He was the shiniest toy in the shop at the time

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10 league goals for us in 2179 minutes (24 game equivalent) since he signed.  25 starts, 8 subbed in.

That’s without a side built around him (not that I’d do that anyway), playing out of position as a wide forward for some of those games.

Some of his link-up play has disappointed me, some of his movement has been excellent.

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On 21/11/2020 at 21:27, GasDestroyer said:

Can’t understand some of the comments on NW. He was out on the wing today. It is well known he likes to play through the middle. The guy is class IMO and will come good. Put in a major shift today. The goals will come. Every decent striker goes through a lean spell. 

Lean spell ? He scored two in two before yesterday.

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21 hours ago, Sheltons Army said:

He was a ‘lazy’ buy - he’s ok / decent but he’s never been above that - not sure why so many were expecting more tbh 

We chose the wrong Burnley forward............should have gone for Matej Vydra, a much better all round footballer and goalscorer?   

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