Davefevs Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 I’m not after an answer just saw a few pics today that I thought I’d share. In order of points . in order of season . Shows how well Watford, Bournemouth and Norwich are doing. I like this chart. So after 12 games you get a good indication of top 2 - promotion and at least one of the relegated teams if not two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBB Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 These are really interesting. I like the last one. So in the last 22 seasons, out of the teams in 3rd after 12 games... 4 - finished in an automatic spot 8 - made the playoffs 10 - failed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, SBB said: These are really interesting. I like the last one. So in the last 22 seasons, out of the teams in 3rd after 12 games... 4 - finished in an automatic spot 8 - made the playoffs 10 - failed But can this season be compared to other seasons? It's a bit different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I like this chart. So after 12 games you get a good indication of top 2 - promotion and at least one of the relegated teams if not two. It also looks like generally 2 or 3 of the top 6 after 12 games do not see out the season in those positions - but only one has ever been relegated in the end. Would be interesting to see the averages of those columns in your final chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 What about at the opposite end of the table? It seems like the promoted teams have a record low number of points also. Almost a closed shop at both ends of the table which can't be good for the middle 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBB Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said: But can this season be compared to other seasons? It's a bit different Certainly is. The end of season stats will be really interesting as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 I suppose the interesting question is whether that means the relegated teams are better or the rest of the Championship less strong? For me, I think I'd lean toward the former. I think Norwich were a good team whose style of football was too gung-ho for the top flight and Watford and Brighton were strong sides who had poor seasons rather than fundamentally weak teams. It also feels that all three have retained many of their best players and the average is presumably kept up by the fact there isn't one disastrously poor side who really struggle the following season as sometimes happens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 17 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: It also looks like generally 2 or 3 of the top 6 after 12 games do not see out the season in those positions - but only one has ever been relegated in the end. Would be interesting to see the averages of those columns in your final chart. Not mine....Peter Løhmann on twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 30 minutes ago, SBB said: These are really interesting. I like the last one. So in the last 22 seasons, out of the teams in 3rd after 12 games... 4 - finished in an automatic spot 8 - made the playoffs 10 - failed Also, no team in the top half of the table after 12 matches has ever been relegated at the end of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolisredd Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 There’s a first time for everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol is red Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 Scratch that missed some numbers, redoing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 Dear mods, can we have a dedicated stats superthread? There are two good threads with fancy charts and graphs and it would be cool to have it all in one place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol is red Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 Right here we go. Breaking the numbers down a little bit more. Chances are based off the last 12 seasons shown in the table in the op. 1st place average finish after 12 games: 5th However the two outliner season finishes of 06/07 (19th) and 11/12 (15th) bring this down, remove those and it's 3rd place average finish. Chance of finishing in autos: 54.48% Chance of finishing in the playoffs: 22.7% Chance of playoffs or better: 77.18% Chance of promotion from playoffs 0%!!! Chance of promotion: 54.48% Shockingly no team has got promoted through the playoffs from being 1st at this point! 2nd place: 3rd/4th (3.5 actual). Chance of finishing in autos: 54.48% Chance of finishing in playoffs: 22.7% Chance of playoffs or better: 77.18% Chance of promotion from playoffs: 20% Chance of promotion: 59.02% Surprising that it seems to make little difference to teams in 1st or 2nd at this stage except for two things. Firstly, 2nd place has gone on to win the league more often (10) than 1st place (6). Second, only four times has a team from 3rd place finished in the top two after twelve games! 1st and 2nd have finished in the playoffs 5 times each, only once has one team won the playoffs between them, that being Ipwisch in 00/01 being 2nd at this point and finishing 3rd. 3rd Place average finish: 6th Chance of finishing in autos: 18.16% Chance of finishing in playoffs: 36.32% Chance of playoffs or better: 54.48% Chance of promotion from playoffs: 37.5% Chance of promotion: 31.78% So at this point we've got about a 1 in 3 chance of promotion at this point over the last twelve seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 24th position is pretty grim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, mozo said: 24th position is pretty grim You must have a different version of the Kama Sutra then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 As we are in the top 3, I can only surmise that the championship is not very tough league this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin101 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 16 hours ago, mozo said: 24th position is pretty grim Indeed. Highest finish is 15th, and that's a bit of an anomaly. Derby County could be in real trouble when you look at that, and consider they've scored the lowest number of goals after 12 games in Division Two history. I've sort of been assuming they'll pull it together and survive relatively comfortably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of his pie crust Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 Quite incredible that no one in the top half after 12 has ever been relegated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Out of his pie crust said: Quite incredible that no one in the top half after 12 has ever been relegated Check the 2012/13 season. Wolves were 6th but finished in 23rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Out of his pie crust said: Quite incredible that no one in the top half after 12 has ever been relegated Well we`re always good at bucking the trend............................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Robin101 said: Indeed. Highest finish is 15th, and that's a bit of an anomaly. Derby County could be in real trouble when you look at that, and consider they've scored the lowest number of goals after 12 games in Division Two history. I've sort of been assuming they'll pull it together and survive relatively comfortably. Has Rooney ever been in a team that has been relegated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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