Major Isewater Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 Well Forest may have been hoping for the ‘ dead cat ‘ bounce but Hughton hasn’t delivered it. I know he’s only recently arrived but the results are all a bit iffy . His wins coming against Coventry and Wycombe. He isn’t perhaps the Messiah after all.( I know he’s a very naughty boy ) OTIB would be an interesting place if the results were the same here if we had brought him in. I know it’s early but just an observation. Lots to do for Mr H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Robin Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: Well Forest may have been hoping for the ‘ dead cat ‘ bounce but Hughton hasn’t delivered it. I know he’s only recently arrived but the results are all a bit iffy . His wins coming against Coventry and Wycombe. He isn’t perhaps the Messiah after all.( I know he’s a very naughty boy ) OTIB would be an interesting place if the results were the same here if we had brought him in. I know it’s early but just an observation. Lots to do for Mr H. Amazing really......on paper one of the best squads in the division with some quality players. Just goes to show that it's not about individual players, it's about them playing as a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 Forests next run of games is horrific. I know the table is still forming and positions can be deceptive, but Sky put their next fixtures up last night and IIRC the five games (including last night) were against all the top six, excluding us. At the end of that run we’re seventeen games in. If the games go to form they’re firmly in a dogfight at the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: Well Forest may have been hoping for the ‘ dead cat ‘ bounce but Hughton hasn’t delivered it. I know he’s only recently arrived but the results are all a bit iffy . His wins coming against Coventry and Wycombe. He isn’t perhaps the Messiah after all.( I know he’s a very naughty boy ) OTIB would be an interesting place if the results were the same here if we had brought him in. I know it’s early but just an observation. Lots to do for Mr H. Newly appointed managers all need time to get their methods implemented. Early days yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted November 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Robbored said: Newly appointed managers all need time to get their methods implemented. Early days yet. Robbored, Master of the bleedin’ obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 Won against Blackburn too, deflected Lolley shot. 3 wins 3 draws 3 losses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 I reckon in all the time we played them under lj, they probaly went through 7 or 8 managers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Won against Blackburn too, deflected Lolley shot. 3 wins 3 draws 3 losses Not so bad for a newly appointed manager who won’t have had the time to get his methods across. It’ll be interesting to see if Pulis can do the same at the Owls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, Robbored said: Newly appointed managers all need time to get their methods implemented. Early days yet. Except GJ you mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 I'd say he's had a pretty solid start TBF. His three defeats BTW were against Bournemouth (who we lost too), Boro (who we lost to) and Barnsley (who arguably outplayed us for a draw). Same result as us vs. Coventry, 2-1. Wins against Blackburn and Wycombe who we've yet to play. 1-1 Draws against Derby (we won) and Luton and Rotherham (again yet to play). Since he took over, 9 games = 12 Us over same period of 9 games = 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeez Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 Without digging up the past, you can't help but feel that City's board did actually have a clear strategy for the club & Houghton's + plus other's approach just didn't fit the plan. Its a modern business like approach & I'm pleased we had a plan & stick to it Can't create any new British managers/coaches if they don't get the chance to develop a EFL level and same old names get the same old jobs etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 15 minutes ago, Alessandro said: I'd say he's had a pretty solid start TBF. His three defeats BTW were against Bournemouth (who we lost too), Boro (who we lost to) and Barnsley (who arguably outplayed us for a draw). Same result as us vs. Coventry, 2-1. Wins against Blackburn and Wycombe who we've yet to play. 1-1 Draws against Derby (we won) and Luton and Rotherham (again yet to play). Since he took over, 9 games = 12 Us over same period of 9 games = 14 Agree with all of that. To add further context, Hughton joined Forest a day after the transfer deadline had closed and inherited 14 new signings made over the summer. I think he's doing OK in the circumstances. See where they are at the end of next season, if he's still with them, and people still want to play a game of 'look at what we could've had'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Well Forest may have been hoping for the ‘ dead cat ‘ bounce but Hughton hasn’t delivered it. I know he’s only recently arrived but the results are all a bit iffy . His wins coming against Coventry and Wycombe. He isn’t perhaps the Messiah after all.( I know he’s a very naughty boy ) OTIB would be an interesting place if the results were the same here if we had brought him in. I know it’s early but just an observation. Lots to do for Mr H. In fairness to him he hasn't had a proper transfer window in the same way Holden did. Always makes it a much more difficult task - a fairer test would be to see how he'd get on with a full transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 55 minutes ago, Robbored said: Newly appointed managers all need time to get their methods implemented. Early days yet. That's great news because once Holden finally gets his first team out there and methods across we'll be unstoppable!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 37 minutes ago, TomF said: Except GJ you mean It was the one eyed methods that I had an issue with Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Numero Uno said: That's great news because once Holden finally gets his first team out there and methods across we'll be unstoppable!! Deano has one big advantage and I’m sure we all know what that is........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted November 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 53 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Won against Blackburn too, deflected Lolley shot. 3 wins 3 draws 3 losses So apart from three wins, three draws and three defeats , what has Chris Hughton ever done for Nottingham Forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 44 minutes ago, Robbored said: Not so bad for a newly appointed manager who won’t have had the time to get his methods across. It’ll be interesting to see if Pulis can do the same at the Owls. No, it won't be interesting in the slightest.....................Pulis will get his methods across in time and Sheffield Wednesday will probably be a horrible watch as they grind out enough 0-0'ers and 1-0'ers to stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Robbored said: Deano has one big advantage and I’m sure we all know what that is........... Definitely...........no major injuries to contend with AND the "bonus" of having the following squad at his disposal according to the gospel that is OTIB: Brunt - worst player ever to play pro football Paterson - performs 1 game in 10 Semenyo - barely League 2 standard Wells - totally disinterested Vyner - can't concentrate Moore - useless O'Dowda - pushing Brunt for worst player ever to play pro football Fam - second touch is always a tackle Massengo - waste of money Nagy - can't pass a ball and lightweight Bentley - inconsistent Hunt - can't defend Dasilva - too small How could he not succeed with that lot to choose from? You can only imagine where Hughton would have us with such a lack of talent........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 Houghton's problem at Forest is that he hasn't had time to spend his £60 million transfer fund, plus wages, that he demands to be in charge, and that's with him being in sole charge of that budget. At least that will be his excuse until January. He will then spend the money. Then he will get sacked less than a year into the job, see recent history, and someone else will want to spend another huge chunk of money in the summer. And people complain about the way that City do things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Well Forest may have been hoping for the ‘ dead cat ‘ bounce but Hughton hasn’t delivered it. I know he’s only recently arrived but the results are all a bit iffy . His wins coming against Coventry and Wycombe. He isn’t perhaps the Messiah after all.( I know he’s a very naughty boy ) OTIB would be an interesting place if the results were the same here if we had brought him in. I know it’s early but just an observation. Lots to do for Mr H. My mate who works at Forest said he turnt up for the interview 5 minutes late, called them "Notts" Forest, and couldn't answer kreckly the third question: "Who was our manager when we won the European Cup?" We were definitely right to give Hughton a miss, mate..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Moments of Pleasure said: My mate who works at Forest said he turnt up for the interview 5 minutes late, called them "Notts" Forest, and couldn't answer kreckly the third question: "Who was our manager when we won the European Cup?" We were definitely right to give Hughton a miss, mate..... You mean the Greek owners, chief exec and director of football thought to ask him that question?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 Our cat is dead as well. Chanel died on the 23rd of September 2018. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 There will be obvious comparisons between us and Forest, if for nothing else, the Hughton link. Back in the summer, CH was the obvious choice for us. For whatever reason, we went for DH. At this current moment in time, it was the correct choice, but football is about a whole season, not just a snapshot. Regardless, seeing how Forest are doing, perhaps (and many won't want to agree with this I'm sure) the club were, and are being proved right to not appoint Hughton. Funny old game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 When the job was up for grabs I wrote a lot about how Holden had impressed me. But at the time I didn’t expect him to be in the running. I had Hughton at the top of my list, but I was not excited by it. I had Cook in second place, and was excited by it. Then followed a list of 4 or 5 that I saw as possibilities. Then we started to hear Holden was gonna be interviewed and at that point I was quite behind it. Not saying he became my first choice, but that I was totally comfortable if he got the gig. I don’t believe there is a cheap option. There is a wrong option, and if that leads to relegation it’s costly whoever is appointed! Whether the stories were true about Hughton’s interview being poor make no odds really. Holden got the job. He’s doing rather well. Whether you “moved on” from Hughton early or not at all, there’s no denying Holden has made a very positive start. Whether Hughton would’ve done better is an unknown and futile at this point....but can be revisited perhaps beyond the next window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Davefevs said: When the job was up for grabs I wrote a lot about how Holden had impressed me. But at the time I didn’t expect him to be in the running. I had Hughton at the top of my list, but I was not excited by it. I had Cook in second place, and was excited by it. Then followed a list of 4 or 5 that I saw as possibilities. Then we started to hear Holden was gonna be interviewed and at that point I was quite behind it. Not saying he became my first choice, but that I was totally comfortable if he got the gig. I don’t believe there is a cheap option. There is a wrong option, and if that leads to relegation it’s costly whoever is appointed! Whether the stories were true about Hughton’s interview being poor make no odds really. Holden got the job. He’s doing rather well. Whether you “moved on” from Hughton early or not at all, there’s no denying Holden has made a very positive start. Whether Hughton would’ve done better is an unknown and futile at this point....but can be revisited perhaps beyond the next window. Devil's advocate. Do you think that Cook was also the clubs first choice, but the goings on at Wigan at the same time made the board think "maybe give it to Dean for now and then if it doesn't work out around Christmas we can speak to Cook (again maybe). No cloak and dagger about compensation or lack thereof etc. Dean now, has made it abundantly clear that he is the best man for the job, and is now making the board think "Cook who?" All hypothetical of course. I did think that when we appointed Holden, it would only be short term until a better option came along. Can't argue with the results so far though!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Taz said: Devil's advocate. Do you think that Cook was also the clubs first choice, but the goings on at Wigan at the same time made the board think "maybe give it to Dean for now and then if it doesn't work out around Christmas we can speak to Cook (again maybe). No cloak and dagger about compensation or lack thereof etc. Dean now, has made it abundantly clear that he is the best man for the job, and is now making the board think "Cook who?" All hypothetical of course. I did think that when we appointed Holden, it would only be short term until a better option came along. Can't argue with the results so far though!! Of course....that’s a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted November 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, Taz said: Devil's advocate. Do you think that Cook was also the clubs first choice, but the goings on at Wigan at the same time made the board think "maybe give it to Dean for now and then if it doesn't work out around Christmas we can speak to Cook (again maybe). No cloak and dagger about compensation or lack thereof etc. Dean now, has made it abundantly clear that he is the best man for the job, and is now making the board think "Cook who?" All hypothetical of course. I did think that when we appointed Holden, it would only be short term until a better option came along. Can't argue with the results so far though!! It would seem a little far fetched to me. You don’t leave the future of a multimillion pound business to chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 7 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Well Forest may have been hoping for the ‘ dead cat ‘ bounce but Hughton hasn’t delivered it. I know he’s only recently arrived but the results are all a bit iffy . His wins coming against Coventry and Wycombe. He isn’t perhaps the Messiah after all.( I know he’s a very naughty boy ) OTIB would be an interesting place if the results were the same here if we had brought him in. I know it’s early but just an observation. Lots to do for Mr H. It is to early. Let's see where we are at season end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 53 minutes ago, Davefevs said: When the job was up for grabs I wrote a lot about how Holden had impressed me. But at the time I didn’t expect him to be in the running. I had Hughton at the top of my list, but I was not excited by it. I had Cook in second place, and was excited by it. Then followed a list of 4 or 5 that I saw as possibilities. Then we started to hear Holden was gonna be interviewed and at that point I was quite behind it. Not saying he became my first choice, but that I was totally comfortable if he got the gig. I don’t believe there is a cheap option. There is a wrong option, and if that leads to relegation it’s costly whoever is appointed! Whether the stories were true about Hughton’s interview being poor make no odds really. Holden got the job. He’s doing rather well. Whether you “moved on” from Hughton early or not at all, there’s no denying Holden has made a very positive start. Whether Hughton would’ve done better is an unknown and futile at this point....but can be revisited perhaps beyond the next window. I don't think the prospect of Hughton or Cook excited many people. Only one linked did that and that was Stevie G although not sure how firm our interest was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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