CiderCraig Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 I was a big fan, up until the 'Like a virgin' album. She went down hill from there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS2 Red Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 10 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: The rest of the world dont care about his drug taking, mafia involvement, multiple affairs, denying the existence of children he fathered etc ? Doubt that mate Bloke was an utter creep The comment was in reference to making handball legal in his honour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS2 Red Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 11 minutes ago, Atticus said: Ok. But Maradona was an alcoholic and a coke head. Something Messi does not appear to be. Exactly, Messi is just so dull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Bristolisredd said: But what about Messi ? Was maradona better than Messi ? I don’t think he was There is no comparison. Other than their nationality. None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Steve Watts said: Messi has never done it on the international stage (or single handedly won Argentina the World Cup) and never tested himself outside of Spain.....I personally wouldn't rank him above Maradona for those reasons alone. Sorry to be pedantic but Maradona didn't win the world cup single handed, there were 10 other players on the pitch. Although he contributed to their win with a pass for the 3rd goal he was marked out of the game for much of it, and was well shackled in their 1990 defeat. No one would argue about his talent but a role model he is not. As a player I would position him alongside the original flawed genius, Garrincha of Brazil, than the true greats that one could look up to Pele, Bobby Charlton and Franz Beckenbauer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, BanburyRed said: Free cocaine for all? He was know as shot gun nostrils at Napoli. Everything went up his nose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 3 days of national mourning in Argentina. 3 months of national mourning in both Bolivia and Colombia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: Sorry to be pedantic but Maradona didn't win the world cup single handed, there were 10 other players on the pitch. Although he contributed to their win with a pass for the 3rd goal he was marked out of the game for much of it, and was well shackled in their 1990 defeat. Okay, but he got them to the Semi Finals single handedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, TonyTonyTony said: Great player, but a cheat, and a terrible role model. Quite agree. Being good at football was just one facet of a pretty poor character. Laying in state for 3 days of mourning is frankly ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Bristolisredd said: But what about Messi ? Was maradona better than Messi ? I don’t think he was 2 hours ago, Robbored said: Does Messi have the same level of adulation in Argentina as Maradonna had? The best people to judge whether Maradona or Messi is the best would surely be the Argentinians themselves. My best guess (and based off of a number of sources who’ve experienced football in Argentina) is that, almost to a man, Maradona is on a whole different planet to Messi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: Sorry to be pedantic but Maradona didn't win the world cup single handed, there were 10 other players on the pitch. Although he contributed to their win with a pass for the 3rd goal he was marked out of the game for much of it, and was well shackled in their 1990 defeat. No one would argue about his talent but a role model he is not. As a player I would position him alongside the original flawed genius, Garrincha of Brazil, than the true greats that one could look up to Pele, Bobby Charlton and Franz Beckenbauer. I know what you mean, team game and all that........ But I’ve always felt that Maradona was one of those very very rare things, a player who single handedly (sic!) won things for teams. Eric Cantona was the other. Napoli would never have won Serie A without Maradona. Some players win the odd game single handedly, they won game after game. You could argue that playing for Napoli or Leeds makes that easier: Barcelona were probably good enough to win things even without Messi. But great as Bobby Charlton and Franz Beckenbauer were, I never saw them as being able to win things on their own. Won’t argue with your view on him as a role model though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 I recall "The Bounty Hunter" having a feature about Joe Jordan signing him and telling him he will have to sit on the bench and "earn his place" in the team.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Fodbarmyarmy said: I recall "The Bounty Hunter" having a feature about Joe Jordan signing him and telling him he will have to sit on the bench and "earn his place" in the team.... @Moments of Pleasure @Merrick's Marvels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: Sorry to be pedantic but Maradona didn't win the world cup single handed, there were 10 other players on the pitch. Although he contributed to their win with a pass for the 3rd goal he was marked out of the game for much of it, and was well shackled in their 1990 defeat. No one would argue about his talent but a role model he is not. As a player I would position him alongside the original flawed genius, Garrincha of Brazil, than the true greats that one could look up to Pele, Bobby Charlton and Franz Beckenbauer. I don't think you'll find anyone that even remotely thinks he is a role model. But in terms of talent, he deserves to be up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 I see they have laid Maradona in the Presidential Palace in Buenos Aries so people can pay their respect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Fodbarmyarmy said: I recall "The Bounty Hunter" having a feature about Joe Jordan signing him and telling him he will have to sit on the bench and "earn his place" in the team.... 2 hours ago, Harry said: @Moments of Pleasure @Merrick's Marvels Yes, I can confirm that Big Joe said this to Little Diego. Although I struggle to recall the little bugger ever playing for us. So: @GrahamC ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Harry said: The best people to judge whether Maradona or Messi is the best would surely be the Argentinians themselves. My best guess (and based off of a number of sources who’ve experienced football in Argentina) is that, almost to a man, Maradona is on a whole different planet to Messi. The playground test always resolves this: You are one of two captains, you have first pick from a group of players to pick from, including Maradona and Lionel Messi (both in their prime). You know that if you pick Messi, you will be up against Maradona; but if you pick Maradona, you are up against Lionel Messi. So who do you pick? It's easy (for me): you do not ever want to be against Maradona. Not in a playground, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Moments of Pleasure said: Yes, I can confirm that Big Joe said this to Little Diego. Although I struggle to recall the little bugger ever playing for us. So: @GrahamC ? Pretty sure it was an article that was implying Joseph was somewhat cautious in giving youth a chance, rather than that he actually did. What larks we had then, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Harry said: The best people to judge whether Maradona or Messi is the best would surely be the Argentinians themselves. My best guess (and based off of a number of sources who’ve experienced football in Argentina) is that, almost to a man, Maradona is on a whole different planet to Messi. Harry, Messi isn’t all that popular in Argentina at all. He left for Barcelona when he was only about 13, so has never played there. Plus unlike Diego they haven’t won anything at all in his time with the national team, runners up in one World Cup & 3 Copa Americas. For so many reasons Diego was just idolised by Argentinians, he was brought up dirt poor, he was a winner who was the national team when he played & his character, basically a lovable rogue, plays well over there. There is a brilliant book on the history of Argentine football by Jonathan Wilson which explains the difference in perception of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 44 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Harry, Messi isn’t all that popular in Argentina at all. He left for Barcelona when he was only about 13, so has never played there. Plus unlike Diego they haven’t won anything at all in his time with the national team, runners up in one World Cup & 3 Copa Americas. For so many reasons Diego was just idolised by Argentinians, he was brought up dirt poor, he was a winner who was the national team when he played & his character, basically a lovable rogue, plays well over there. There is a brilliant book on the history of Argentine football by Jonathan Wilson which explains the difference in perception of the two. Yep. That’s what I was saying. Argentinians, to a man, would say Maradona is the far better player, all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, Harry said: Yep. That’s what I was saying. Argentinians, to a man, would say Maradona is the far better player, all day long. As has Messi tbf Said ‘I could play for a thousand years and I wouldn’t be as good’ , or words to that effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 14 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: As has Messi tbf Said ‘I could play for a thousand years and I wouldn’t be as good’ , or words to that effect And in fairness @Harry Bas Savage said similar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 9 hours ago, Bristolisredd said: said he would like FIFA to retire the number 10 shirt from all teams what a ridiculous thing to say Ridiculous, Maradona was a great player but he was hardly Jude Bellingham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 10 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: And in fairness @Harry Bas Savage said similar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polly Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: For so many reasons Diego was just idolised by Argentinians, he was brought up dirt poor, he was a winner who was the national team when he played & his character, basically a lovable rogue, plays well over there. Even more so in Naples! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 The excellent documentary (called "Diego Maradona") is available to download on All4. Very much recommend watching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 9 hours ago, Fodbarmyarmy said: I recall "The Bounty Hunter" having a feature about Joe Jordan signing him and telling him he will have to sit on the bench and "earn his place" in the team.... 9 hours ago, Harry said: @Moments of Pleasure @Merrick's Marvels 6 hours ago, Moments of Pleasure said: Yes, I can confirm that Big Joe said this to Little Diego. Although I struggle to recall the little bugger ever playing for us. So: @GrahamC ? 4 hours ago, GrahamC said: Pretty sure it was an article that was implying Joseph was somewhat cautious in giving youth a chance, rather than that he actually did. What larks we had then, eh? Here you are, Fod: "No hay mas que un Bobby Taylor"! Oh yes. Season 89-90, obvs. What larks, indeed @GrahamC Drawn by Matty or was it Keith, @Moments of Pleasure? Perhaps @77 punk might remember. Thanks for the heads up @Harry, hope you're keeping well mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 I recall the bounty hunter doing a good article on another player we sadly lost. Ralph milne rip. Before he joined man utd, he had a stinker in one game, and got dogs abuse. He left not long after, the article ended with a jokey poem, about running for man utd all day i recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never to the dark side Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 Thought channel 4 could have picked a better time(21:30pm on saturday night) to show a 2019 film about the man lasting for more than 2 and half hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 On 26/11/2020 at 21:53, italian dave said: I know what you mean, team game and all that........ But I’ve always felt that Maradona was one of those very very rare things, a player who single handedly (sic!) won things for teams. Eric Cantona was the other. Napoli would never have won Serie A without Maradona. Some players win the odd game single handedly, they won game after game. You could argue that playing for Napoli or Leeds makes that easier: Barcelona were probably good enough to win things even without Messi. But great as Bobby Charlton and Franz Beckenbauer were, I never saw them as being able to win things on their own. Won’t argue with your view on him as a role model though! Don’t forget PELE as well. No disrespect to Maradona but for me PELE and even George Best was just as good if not better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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