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Callum O’dowda


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7 minutes ago, ohhhshauntaylor said:

Works hard, and shows glimpses, but his final ball, and decision making is still very average- no doubt he is there to add the Weimann energy, but he doesn't make any telling contributions in the final 3rd, which is ultimately his job.

He's certainly better than he was (low bar) but, for me, still not "essential".

Excellent summary. Wish I could give it 2 likes 

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The biggest frustration for me with COD is that for all the effort and endeavour, things don't "come off" more often than they do "come off".

Classic example would be him getting the ball, skipping a challenge and then misplacing the next pass or getting in a great position and scuffing the shot. 

Thought last night he was good though, there are lots of positives about his game. He's got all the raw materials, physically and mentally (I actually think sometimes his head is moving quicker than his body, if you know what I mean) - but he just needs to be more consistent IMO to be that top player.

He will get more stick than Pato or Weimann, who also come in and out of games, because unlike those two, he doesn't pop up often enough with a key assist or goal that justifies his quieter parts in a game - but i'm sure he'll be working hard on that. 

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4 hours ago, Bristolisredd said:

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A one dimensional view of his his performance last night.

4 hours ago, Gazred said:

The stats dont lie, he got struck right in last night. Just needs to find dome end product to his hard work.

Still runs down imaginary dead ends and turns back on himself and gave the ball away cheaply after good work.

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3 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

I think there are a lot of people who only notice what a player does in possession.  Last night in possession he was okay. Out of possession he was superb, so those fans will never appreciate how good he is.  There were comments last night that he ‘offers nothing’ and similar. As I said last night, he keeps getting picked at club at international level even when managers change.  There’s a reason for that and it’s not that all the four managers who have picked him don’t know what they are doing 

Here’s my open question on twitter this morning.

There are 5 tweets in total, but if you don’t want to read them here’s the pictures.

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Most of you will know my overall view, but having had a run in the team, what do we all think when presented with a range of stats?  I do think he’s improved, but is the improvement enough?

As a pretty much direct replacement over Andreas Weimann, what do you see as the pluses and minuses of Callum versus Weimann?

I’ve never doubted he has talent.

Until I start to see end product, my big question is - could someone else do a different job that either increases end product or makes us better in some other way?

 

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3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

A one dimensional view of his his performance last night.

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Here’s my open question on twitter this morning.

There are 5 tweets in total, but if you don’t want to read them here’s the pictures.

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Most of you will know my overall view, but having had a run in the team, what do we all think when presented with a range of stats?  I do think he’s improved, but is the improvement enough?

As a pretty much direct replacement over Andreas Weimann, what do you see as the pluses and minuses of Callum versus Weimann?

I’ve never doubted he has talent.

Until I start to see end product, my big question is - could someone else do a different job that either increases end product or makes us better in some other way?

 

These stats show him to be what he is, one of our weak links.

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High on football ability, low on football smarts and intelligence.

Constantly picks the wrong pass, constantly makes the wrong run, constantly gives away the cheap, needless foul.

Might be a bit harsh, that, but I think he's a poor man's Andreas Weimann in the role he's playing at the moment because his actual output is nowhere near as good.

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5 minutes ago, The Journalist said:

High on football ability, low on football smarts and intelligence.

Constantly picks the wrong pass, constantly makes the wrong run, constantly gives away the cheap, needless foul.

Might be a bit harsh, that, but I think he's a poor man's Andreas Weimann in the role he's playing at the moment because his actual output is nowhere near as good.

Bit different to Weimann. O'Dowda stronger, more pace, better ball winner and better in the air and more capable of beating a player in one on ones. But Callum doesn't get in the box very much at all, unlike Weimann who gets in there regularly. 

I wonder if this is an instruction from Holden. Maybe he wants O'Dowda to do what he does. We are on a great run with him in the side so it's certainly working.

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3 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Bit different to Weimann. O'Dowda stronger, more pace, better ball winner and better in the air and more capable of beating a player in one on ones. But Callum doesn't get in the box very much at all, unlike Weimann who gets in there regularly. 

I wonder if this is an instruction from Holden. Maybe he wants O'Dowda to do what he does. We are on a great run with him in the side so it's certainly working.

All fair points - they obviously have different strengths and weaknesses. Fundamentally, though, their biggest attacking role/contribution within the system we're playing is carrying the ball forward and getting us up the pitch.

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37 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

A one dimensional view of his his performance last night.

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Here’s my open question on twitter this morning.

There are 5 tweets in total, but if you don’t want to read them here’s the pictures.

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Most of you will know my overall view, but having had a run in the team, what do we all think when presented with a range of stats?  I do think he’s improved, but is the improvement enough?

As a pretty much direct replacement over Andreas Weimann, what do you see as the pluses and minuses of Callum versus Weimann?

I’ve never doubted he has talent.

Until I start to see end product, my big question is - could someone else do a different job that either increases end product or makes us better in some other way?

 

11 recoveries and 10 losses. That pretty much tallies with my perception. He seemed to win the ball back but then often give it away again almost immediately.

He may have been better last night but I find him extremely frustrating. Very little end product and seems a bit clumsy on the ball most of the time. 

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5 minutes ago, The Journalist said:

All fair points - they obviously have different strengths and weaknesses. Fundamentally, though, their biggest attacking role/contribution within the system we're playing is carrying the ball forward and getting us up the pitch.

Yep agree with that. I think where Callum finds himself mainly compared to Weimann is further away from goal. Weimann will give it very early and then sprint forward all the way up with the strikers. O'Dowda doesn't do that.

I would be surprised if Holden is not pleased with these performances by O'Dowda. I am sure he'd drop him otherwise. Always imagined O'Dowda would be a Holden type player and it's showing in how he uses him. Like Weimann, off the ball we are benefiting so much from his relentless work rate and energy.

I would have liked to have seen both Weimann and O'Dowda in midfield in the 352. I think that could have worked well with Nagy or Bakinson sitting.

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43 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

A one dimensional view of his his performance last night.

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Here’s my open question on twitter this morning.

There are 5 tweets in total, but if you don’t want to read them here’s the pictures.

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Most of you will know my overall view, but having had a run in the team, what do we all think when presented with a range of stats?  I do think he’s improved, but is the improvement enough?

As a pretty much direct replacement over Andreas Weimann, what do you see as the pluses and minuses of Callum versus Weimann?

I’ve never doubted he has talent.

Until I start to see end product, my big question is - could someone else do a different job that either increases end product or makes us better in some other way?

 

Your stats show a totally different picture to the original post.

I.e. no key passes (OP says 2) and also 4 successful dribbles (OP says 3) but also 8 unsuccessful ones which is pretty shocking and not mentioned at all in the OP.

The one thing that sticks in my mind about him last night is first half, on the left Atyeo/Lansdown corner, he charged in towards Sarr and got skinned (and I don't even think Sarr really tried to beat him, he just turned on the ball and it seemed to flummox Callum. He can be so frustrating, I don't want to say he's a headless chicken... but he's not far off sometimes.

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3 hours ago, ohhhshauntaylor said:

Works hard, and shows glimpses, but his final ball, and decision making is still very average- no doubt he is there to add the Weimann energy, but he doesn't make any telling contributions in the final 3rd, which is ultimately his job.

He's certainly better than he was (low bar) but, for me, still not "essential".

 

2 minutes ago, TMWANG50 said:

Does he ever score or create an assist, most of his set pieces are terirble as well don't get the new love in..

 

Well , without stretching my mind back too far  - he played a significant role in Patos winner at Huddersfield and made a great run to take defenders away for our winner at Cardiff

But if you don’t want to see these things as you have a closed mind , I guess you wont 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

 

Well , without stretching my mind back too far  - he played a significant role in Patos winner at Huddersfield and made a great run to take defenders away for our winner at Cardiff

But if you don’t want to see these things as you have a closed mind , I guess you wont 

 

 

Clutching at straws with both of those two Shelton.... almost a year since his last goal and 1 actual recorded assist in his last 40 games? 

 

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3 minutes ago, TMWANG50 said:

Clutching at straws with both of those two Shelton.... can anybody tell me how many appearences since his last goal then in any competiton as I'd expect something from an attacking midfielder? 

Don’t get me wrong - there’s more to get out of him , and I think he has the ability to get amongst the goals but is he an ‘attacking midfielder’ in this system per se ??

Do we know what DH is asking from him within the system ?

The wing backs are likely to be expected to provide at least care as much attacking threat in a 5-3-2

In that 3 he or Pato can’t go on random charges forward 

It sounds strange but a lot of his good work goes on unnoticed out of possession , many times where he nullifies a hole or potential danger without coming into contact with the ball. 

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20 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Bit different to Weimann. O'Dowda stronger, more pace, better ball winner and better in the air and more capable of beating a player in one on ones. But Callum doesn't get in the box very much at all, unlike Weimann who gets in there regularly. 

I wonder if this is an instruction from Holden. Maybe he wants O'Dowda to do what he does. We are on a great run with him in the side so it's certainly working.

Might not agree on some of the things you say Callum is better at (😉), but I think the final sentence is key.  It would be hypocritical of me to on one hand say to all the people who said “our midfield is too weak with Weimann and Pato” and my response be.....but we are winning, if I didn’t allow the same response back when it involves a player I’ve previously not rated.  So you’re right.

it’s kind of the reason for my post.

In essence, you don’t have to have the best eleven players on the pitch, you have to have the right players on the pitch doing the roles you want them to do.

You know I’ve said before that sometimes a player or two might be the sacrifices to make the other eight or nine more effective.  And it’s probably the case with Callum.  Not saying he’s being sacrificed per se, but he’s giving the “team” something (in Weimann’s absence) that allows the sum of the parts to be more effective.

Ultimately that’s good management isn’t it?  Doesn’t matter what I think about an individual if it’s for the benefit of the team.  Maybe Tommy Rowe was the sacrifice last night to get Taylor Moore in the team (in Kalas’s) with confidence that he wouldn’t be exposed.

1 minute ago, Coxy27 said:

Your stats show a totally different picture to the original post.

I.e. no key passes (OP says 2) and also 4 successful dribbles (OP says 3) but also 8 unsuccessful ones which is pretty shocking and not mentioned at all in the OP.

The one thing that sticks in my mind about him last night is first half, on the left Atyeo/Lansdown corner, he charged in towards Sarr and got skinned (and I don't even think Sarr really tried to beat him, he just turned on the ball and it seemed to flummox Callum. He can be so frustrating, I don't want to say he's a headless chicken... but he's not far off sometimes.

My stats are from Wyscout, suspect Gregor’s were from Whoscored.  Different data definitions.

11 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

 

Well , without stretching my mind back too far  - he played a significant role in Patos winner at Huddersfield and made a great run to take defenders away for our winner at Cardiff

But if you don’t want to see these things as you have a closed mind , I guess you wont 

 

 

That’s why I added the “second assist” column so that didn’t get missed.  I don’t try to bring any bias into it....honestly 😉

I think MY general takeaway from this is to keep focussing on the what the team output is....and that it’s getting results.  Generally we are a team, you can tell from goals and assists and now clean sheets that we aren’t reliant on one player.

That will stand us in good stead...no matter who gets injured and who plays.

Cheers for the replies.

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2 hours ago, Alessandro said:

The biggest frustration for me with COD is that for all the effort and endeavour, things don't "come off" more often than they do "come off".

Classic example would be him getting the ball, skipping a challenge and then misplacing the next pass or getting in a great position and scuffing the shot. 

Thought last night he was good though, there are lots of positives about his game. He's got all the raw materials, physically and mentally (I actually think sometimes his head is moving quicker than his body, if you know what I mean) - but he just needs to be more consistent IMO to be that top player.

He will get more stick than Pato or Weimann, who also come in and out of games, because unlike those two, he doesn't pop up often enough with a key assist or goal that justifies his quieter parts in a game - but i'm sure he'll be working hard on that. 

He does have very long neck

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17 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Might not agree on some of the things you say Callum is better at (😉), but I think the final sentence is key.  It would be hypocritical of me to on one hand say to all the people who said “our midfield is too weak with Weimann and Pato” and my response be.....but we are winning, if I didn’t allow the same response back when it involves a player I’ve previously not rated.  So you’re right.

it’s kind of the reason for my post.

In essence, you don’t have to have the best eleven players on the pitch, you have to have the right players on the pitch doing the roles you want them to do.

You know I’ve said before that sometimes a player or two might be the sacrifices to make the other eight or nine more effective.  And it’s probably the case with Callum.  Not saying he’s being sacrificed per se, but he’s giving the “team” something (in Weimann’s absence) that allows the sum of the parts to be more effective.

Ultimately that’s good management isn’t it?  Doesn’t matter what I think about an individual if it’s for the benefit of the team.  Maybe Tommy Rowe was the sacrifice last night to get Taylor Moore in the team (in Kalas’s) with confidence that he wouldn’t be exposed.

My stats are from Wyscout, suspect Gregor’s were from Whoscored.  Different data definitions.

That’s why I added the “second assist” column so that didn’t get missed.  I don’t try to bring any bias into it....honestly 😉

I think MY general takeaway from this is to keep focussing on the what the team output is....and that it’s getting results.  Generally we are a team, you can tell from goals and assists and now clean sheets that we aren’t reliant on one player.

That will stand us in good stead...no matter who gets injured and who plays.

Cheers for the replies.

This , this , this , this Dave

Its a bit like the criticisms of Nahki Wells and his goal threat whilst ignoring he has been playing wide in a 3 and working really hard to get back into a midfield 4 ,out of possession , and protecting / helping JD in tough away games 

Sometimes players , and good pros , have to accept they are cogs in the wheel for the collective good.

Give Wells , Pato , COD , Antoine , free roles with no team responsibility and they’d probably all catch the eye more

 

 

........ But our results might not 

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3 hours ago, ohhhshauntaylor said:

Works hard, and shows glimpses, but his final ball, and decision making is still very average- no doubt he is there to add the Weimann energy, but he doesn't make any telling contributions in the final 3rd, which is ultimately his job.

He's certainly better than he was (low bar) but, for me, still not "essential".

Nail on the head for me. He is in the team to score goals and assist goals - he rarely does either and the stats back that up, you can rely more on Jack Hunt to provide assists and goals which considering one is a full back and the other an attacking midfielder is a worry.

As i said he works really hard out of possession and covers a lot of ground but that in itself isn’t enough IMO.

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31 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Might not agree on some of the things you say Callum is better at (😉), but I think the final sentence is key.  It would be hypocritical of me to on one hand say to all the people who said “our midfield is too weak with Weimann and Pato” and my response be.....but we are winning, if I didn’t allow the same response back when it involves a player I’ve previously not rated.  So you’re right.

With O'Dowda = 12pts from 8 games = 1.5 PPG = 69 pts Over 46 games. 69 points doesn't get you in the playoffs in any of the last 5 seasons. 

without O'Dowda = 12pts from 5 games = 2.4PPG  = 110 pts Over 46 games. Gets you promoted in each of the last 5 seasons.

So, we're actually not only not succeeding with O'Dowda on the pitch, he's holding us back.

Of course, my stats are kinda garbage, because of the sample size of the games he DIDN'T play in, but in the ones he has, we're failing based on historical tables, we're failing to hit the objectives of a playoff place.

Obviously not blaming him for all of this, but he is a part of it, and it definitely can't be said we're successful with him in the team based on pure results.

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3 minutes ago, bris red said:

Nail on the head for me.

 

 

He is in the team to score goals and assist goals -

 

Is he ? 

 

he rarely does either and the stats back that up,

 

you can rely more on Jack Hunt to provide assists and goals which considering one is a full back and the other an attacking midfielder is a worry.

 

Firstly there is the traditional set up with a 5-3-2  and purpose with the wing backs expected to provide a lot of the attacking threat, and secondly , as I’ve pointed out elsewhere , how do you (Or I) know what DH asks him to do within the team system 

 

 

As i said he works really hard out of possession and covers a lot of ground but that in itself isn’t enough IMO.

 

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11 minutes ago, Prinny said:

With O'Dowda = 12pts from 8 games = 1.5 PPG = 69 pts Over 46 games. 69 points doesn't get you in the playoffs in any of the last 5 seasons. 

without O'Dowda = 12pts from 5 games = 2.4PPG  = 110 pts Over 46 games. Gets you promoted in each of the last 5 seasons.

So, we're actually not only not succeeding with O'Dowda on the pitch, he's holding us back.

Of course, my stats are kinda garbage, because of the sample size of the games he DIDN'T play in, but in the ones he has, we're failing based on historical tables, we're failing to hit the objectives of a playoff place.

Obviously not blaming him for all of this, but he is a part of it, and it definitely can't be said we're successful with him in the team based on pure results.

Yes your stats are garbage!! 😂😂😂

Callum didn’t start all those games.  Of the games he’s started he has 10 pts from 6 games.  You could say that he turned 0 points into 1 point v Swansea, but on the flip side you could argue v Derby we had a point when he went off and ended up with 3!!!

I track each players points whilst they are on the pitch in one of my spreadsheets, in terms of points gained or lost whilst they are on the pitch.  Every player starts in effect at 0-0.  So if the point they leave the pitch we are winning, they get +2 (1 pt > 3 pts), if we lose they get -1.  For subs it’s about whether they change the result.  So if we are losing 1-0 when they come on and we win, they’d get +3.

Our most impactful player in terms of points gained per 90 mins is.....

.....Famara Diedhiou.

But it’s still early season and skewed by things like Fam getting the winner on Saturday equalling +2, but only played 21 minutes.  It’s only a model that I’m running with.

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2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

A one dimensional view of his his performance last night.

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Here’s my open question on twitter this morning.

There are 5 tweets in total, but if you don’t want to read them here’s the pictures.

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Most of you will know my overall view, but having had a run in the team, what do we all think when presented with a range of stats?  I do think he’s improved, but is the improvement enough?

As a pretty much direct replacement over Andreas Weimann, what do you see as the pluses and minuses of Callum versus Weimann?

I’ve never doubted he has talent.

Until I start to see end product, my big question is - could someone else do a different job that either increases end product or makes us better in some other way?

 

What’s the definition / meaning of a ‘ball recovery’ Dave

Loose ball / Second balls ?

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22 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yes your stats are garbage!! 😂😂😂

Callum didn’t start all those games.  Of the games he’s started he has 10 pts from 6 games.  You could say that he turned 0 points into 1 point v Swansea, but on the flip side you could argue v Derby we had a point when he went off and ended up with 3!!!

I track each players points whilst they are on the pitch in one of my spreadsheets, in terms of points gained or lost whilst they are on the pitch.  Every player starts in effect at 0-0.  So if the point they leave the pitch we are winning, they get +2 (1 pt > 3 pts), if we lose they get -1.  For subs it’s about whether they change the result.  So if we are losing 1-0 when they come on and we win, they’d get +3.

Our most impactful player in terms of points gained per 90 mins is.....

.....Famara Diedhiou.

But it’s still early season and skewed by things like Fam getting the winner on Saturday equalling +2, but only played 21 minutes.  It’s only a model that I’m running with.

Does your model give Fam bonus points for legendary status? If it doesn’t you need to adjust it!!

Not knocking or demeaning your hard work coming up with the model btw. Interestingly I bet it showed until a couple of weeks back that Semenyo should be used as an impact sub?

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21 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yes your stats are garbage!! 😂😂😂

Callum didn’t start all those games.  Of the games he’s started he has 10 pts from 6 games.  You could say that he turned 0 points into 1 point v Swansea, but on the flip side you could argue v Derby we had a point when he went off and ended up with 3!!!

I track each players points whilst they are on the pitch in one of my spreadsheets, in terms of points gained or lost whilst they are on the pitch.  Every player starts in effect at 0-0.  So if the point they leave the pitch we are winning, they get +2 (1 pt > 3 pts), if we lose they get -1.  For subs it’s about whether they change the result.  So if we are losing 1-0 when they come on and we win, they’d get +3.

Our most impactful player in terms of points gained per 90 mins is.....

.....Famara Diedhiou.

But it’s still early season and skewed by things like Fam getting the winner on Saturday equalling +2, but only played 21 minutes.  It’s only a model that I’m running with.

So using your own stats, are we better with O'Dowda, or without O'Dowda on the pitch?

Just purely using your stats mind.

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59 minutes ago, Prinny said:

With O'Dowda = 12pts from 8 games = 1.5 PPG = 69 pts Over 46 games. 69 points doesn't get you in the playoffs in any of the last 5 seasons. 

without O'Dowda = 12pts from 5 games = 2.4PPG  = 110 pts Over 46 games. Gets you promoted in each of the last 5 seasons.

So, we're actually not only not succeeding with O'Dowda on the pitch, he's holding us back.

Of course, my stats are kinda garbage, because of the sample size of the games he DIDN'T play in, but in the ones he has, we're failing based on historical tables, we're failing to hit the objectives of a playoff place.

Obviously not blaming him for all of this, but he is a part of it, and it definitely can't be said we're successful with him in the team based on pure results.

Please tell me you arn’t actually  serious 

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