RedHienz Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yep, and he’s more of a forward than a “goal scoring striker” at this fledgling part of his career. 82 appearances (41 starts) 9 goals, 10 assists. Mins 4316. Equiv of 48 full-90s. That’s the context, and that’s not too shabby for a guy who plays all across the line. Abd that’s not adding in his general contribution. A lot to look forward too. Absolutely, can rely on you for some stats! Personally we have a dynamic player who is improving, imagine we shant have him long so enjoy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 59 minutes ago, RedHienz said: He's a kid, bar stand out career strikers that's fairly normal at his age. He's 21. He'll be 24 in three years time and he'll still only be netting 1 in 9 if playing upfront. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: He's 21. He'll be 24 in three years time and he'll still only be netting 1 in 9 if playing upfront. In your opinion of course. Mine is that he'll be banging in the goals soon enough. And 9 goals with 10 assists in the equivalent of 48 games is actually very good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 51 minutes ago, bcfc01 said: Mine is that he'll be banging in the goals soon enough. Perchance like Garita, Burns, Eisa, Engvald, McCoulsky and other 'wunderkinds' too numerous to mention he'll be scoring occasionally somewhere. He may even follow in the steps and hit the heights of much missed De Giralomo who's banging one in every other game....at Buxton! And there was I thinking we had pretentions to be a Championship contender..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, BTRFTG said: Perchance like Garita, Burns, Eisa, Engvald, McCoulsky and other 'wunderkinds' too numerous to mention he'll be scoring occasionally somewhere. He may even follow in the steps and hit the heights of much missed De Giralomo who's banging one in every other game....at Buxton! And there was I thinking we had pretentions to be a Championship contender..... Difference is we've seen Semenyo play for City more than all of those combined. We can judge him far better and can definitely see the quality in his play 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHienz Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, BTRFTG said: He's 21. He'll be 24 in three years time and he'll still only be netting 1 in 9 if playing upfront. Yawn. Year on year improvement but dont let facts get in the way of your opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Red Posted January 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 hours ago, REDOXO said: Semenyo is a forward. He played well on Saturday and was our best player. The commentator was impressed. The idea of Striker is largely due to a cartoon. We have forwards who need to get more goals and that is a fact but the whole premise of this thread is just plain wrong. Glad you agree he is not a Striker that was the whole point of this thread. Not sure about cartoon comment - I do mean a Striker. They still exist although are current Strikers may have you confused you.... The main point was I don’t think he will score goals at this level (Championship). As of yet he has not scored 1. My opinion seems to have been unpopular with certain members of the forum and they are struggling to come to terms that I was right(up to now) Despite the ‘Fact’ that we all agree he is not a Striker and he has not netted a Championship goal this season it still seems difficult for people to except I was right (up to now) As for his position agree plays wide in a forward position and looks a decent player. But needs to add goals we can’t afford another COD 1 or 2 a season is not enough and if we are to improve we will need at least 6 a season as a minimum. The debate now is will he score at this level ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Red Posted January 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Davefevs said: Yep, and he’s more of a forward than a “goal scoring striker” at this fledgling part of his career. 82 appearances (41 starts) 9 goals, 10 assists. Mins 4316. Equiv of 48 full-90s. That’s the context, and that’s not too shabby for a guy who plays all across the line. Abd that’s not adding in his general contribution. A lot to look forward too. Hate to say it but 23 games and no goals this season does not help the argument... I notice 9 games last season and no goals as well but don’t think we should judge him on last season as not getting regular starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Better Red said: Glad you agree he is not a Striker that was the whole point of this thread. Not sure about cartoon comment - I do mean a Striker. They still exist although are current Strikers may have you confused you.... The main point was I don’t think he will score goals at this level (Championship). As of yet he has not scored 1. My opinion seems to have been unpopular with certain members of the forum and they are struggling to come to terms that I was right(up to now) Despite the ‘Fact’ that we all agree he is not a Striker and he has not netted a Championship goal this season it still seems difficult for people to except I was right (up to now) As for his position agree plays wide in a forward position and looks a decent player. But needs to add goals we can’t afford another COD 1 or 2 a season is not enough and if we are to improve we will need at least 6 a season as a minimum. The debate now is will he score at this level ? I don’t agree with the whole notion of striker. I thought that was clear. We have forwards. The nearest to an out and out goal scorer is Wells, which I think I mentioned earlier in the thread. However Holden has played him out wider not centrally, by and large with Fammy more centrally, nevertheless Fammy has a defensive roll to play that he is complemented on consistently, of which I’m sure you are aware. At this time we are not playing with an out and Jimmy Greaves style “Striker” who has only one roll to score (to be frank many clubs don’t currently as they are few and expensive) Could Semenyo become an out and out goal scoring striker....? Of course....Is he being played as one, no!....Mainly because of all of his excellent work he unsettles himself in front of goal. Will that get better of course, because he’s got the makings of a great player, we will see where that leads. I’m not sure what difficulty you think I or anyone else is having. I don’t agree with the premise of the thread and have now said so three times. Your last paragraph has some resonance. He needs to add more goals which I said in the comment you are replying to. More goals and he may get played down the middle at the pinnacle of our attack as a striker, however right now he offers more as a running forward and as impressive in that role, not in the role that he isn’t playing which you are criticizing him for. I hope that my thoughts stated again are clear. FYI. The club profile for the lad has him listed as a forward Edited January 25, 2021 by REDOXO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Red Posted January 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 26 minutes ago, REDOXO said: I don’t agree with the whole notion of striker. I thought that was clear. We have forwards. The nearest to an out and out goal scorer is Wells, which I think I mentioned earlier in the thread. However Holden has played him out wider not centrally, by and large with Fammy more centrally, nevertheless Fammy has a defensive roll to play that he is complemented on consistently, of which I’m sure you are aware. At this time we are not playing with an out and Jimmy Greaves style “Striker” who has only one roll to score (to be frank many clubs don’t currently as they are few and expensive) Could Semenyo become an out and out goal scoring striker....? Of course....Is he being played as one, no!....Mainly because of all of his excellent work he unsettles himself in front of goal. Will that get better of course, because he’s got the makings of a great player, we will see where that leads. I’m not sure what difficulty you think I or anyone else is having. I don’t agree with the premise of the thread and have now said so three times. Your last paragraph has some resonance. He needs to add more goals which I said in the comment you are replying to. More goals and he may get played down the middle at the pinnacle of our attack as a striker, however right now he offers more as a running forward and as impressive in that role, not in the role that he isn’t playing which you are criticizing him for. I hope that my thoughts stated again are clear Sorry you don’t agree with the notion Striker’?? Not sure what you are saying. If you are saying that Strikers do not exist any more I think you need to re think that theory. Fammy, Wells, Kane, Vardy, Cavani, Calvert Lewis, Bamford, Aguero, Lukaku, Lewandowski, Mbappe, Holland... They are all definitely ‘Strikers’ Might just re think that statement so you might need to make it four times but remove the bit about ‘Strikers’.... Happy for you to desegregate about if he will score or not but not about that Strikers don’t exist.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Better Red said: Sorry you don’t agree with the notion Striker’?? Not sure what you are saying. If you are saying that Strikers do not exist any more I think you need to re think that theory. Fammy, Wells, Kane, Vardy, Cavani, Calvert Lewis, Bamford, Aguero, Lukaku, Lewandowski, Mbappe, Holland... They are all definitely ‘Strikers’ Might just re think that statement so you might need to make it four times but remove the bit about ‘Strikers’.... Happy for you to desegregate about if he will score or not but not about that Strikers don’t exist.. Again the title of this thread is...Semenyo is not a striker they score goals! Semenyo is not playing at the pinnacle of our attack as a goal scorer, as using your term, a Striker, more than implies! Fammy is being played as an old fashioned center forward, (number nine) that is clear. With multiple defensive duties I would suggest he would get a kick out of his name being mentioned with the players you mention The other forwards you mention are world class goal scorers that you prefer to call strikers, most of whom are being played as a one roll goal scoring forward, (your term striker) which Semenyo certainly is not. However it makes my point perfectly as these guys are few and far between and all have played at the highest level with the exception of Bamford who might. We have forwards, we don’t have an out and out goal scorer (your term Striker) and it certainly has not been Semenyo. Thus If you had titled the thread Semenyo is not a forward they score goals, it may have made more sense, but still would have been wrong! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 Obviously a lot of people have made up their minds on Semenyo. As have I. We will get our record transfer fee for Semenyo. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chivs said: Obviously a lot of people have made up their minds on Semenyo. As have I. We will get our record transfer fee for Semenyo. I think there is a chance you are right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, REDOXO said: Again the title of this thread is...Semenyo is not a striker they score goals! Semenyo is not playing at the pinnacle of our attack as a goal scorer, as using your term, a Striker, more than implies! Fammy is being played as an old fashioned center forward, (number nine) that is clear. With multiple defensive duties I would suggest he would get a kick out of his name being mentioned with the players you mention The other forwards you mention are world class goal scorers that you prefer to call strikers, most of whom are being played as a one roll goal scoring forward, (your term striker) which Semenyo certainly is not. However it makes my point perfectly as these guys are few and far between and all have played at the highest level with the exception of Bamford who might. We have forwards, we don’t have an out and out goal scorer (your term Striker) and it certainly has not been Semenyo. Thus If you had titled the thread Semenyo is not a forward they score goals, it may have made more sense, but still would have been wrong! Don’t worry, the sooner some people realise that they are constraining their thought processes by using terms like “striker” to evaluate performance of a player the better. It can be useful, in its simplistic form, but perhaps demonstrates why English football hasn’t evolved like in other countries. Thomas Muller, idolised in Germany, Dirk Kuyt, “doesn’t score enough” in this country. What does that say? Same as people thinking 433 is more attacking than 451, and the number of “strikers” determines your “attackingness”. What a load of horseshit!! A recent German squad simply listed their players as Goalkeepers, Defenders and Forwards. Not striker in sight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Red Posted January 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Don’t worry, the sooner some people realise that they are constraining their thought processes by using terms like “striker” to evaluate performance of a player the better. It can be useful, in its simplistic form, but perhaps demonstrates why English football hasn’t evolved like in other countries. Thomas Muller, idolised in Germany, Dirk Kuyt, “doesn’t score enough” in this country. What does that say? Same as people thinking 433 is more attacking than 451, and the number of “strikers” determines your “attackingness”. What a load of horseshit!! A recent German squad simply listed their players as Goalkeepers, Defenders and Forwards. Not striker in sight. Don’t be ridiculous. We all know what a Striker is. You just look stupid trying to argue they don’t exist. Honestly have a word with your self... Not sure I can take you seriously with nonsense like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, BTRFTG said: If folks are trying to bolster Semenyo's prowess by including league & cup fixtures he's notched 9 in 83 appearances, not forgetting half of which were in Divs 1&2. Striker he ain't..... Neither was Bobby Reid BTR with all possible respect. There's something about AS that I like, maybe its his directness. I genuinely think we have a good player on our hands. Could he replace Fam? Edited January 25, 2021 by Ska Junkie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Red Posted January 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, REDOXO said: Again the title of this thread is...Semenyo is not a striker they score goals! Semenyo is not playing at the pinnacle of our attack as a goal scorer, as using your term, a Striker, more than implies! Fammy is being played as an old fashioned center forward, (number nine) that is clear. With multiple defensive duties I would suggest he would get a kick out of his name being mentioned with the players you mention The other forwards you mention are world class goal scorers that you prefer to call strikers, most of whom are being played as a one roll goal scoring forward, (your term striker) which Semenyo certainly is not. However it makes my point perfectly as these guys are few and far between and all have played at the highest level with the exception of Bamford who might. We have forwards, we don’t have an out and out goal scorer (your term Striker) and it certainly has not been Semenyo. Thus If you had titled the thread Semenyo is not a forward they score goals, it may have made more sense, but still would have been wrong! Are you for real. Few and fat between.. You don’t think Wells is a striker. I stopped listing ‘Strikers’ because I got bored.... Here is just a few more to help ‘Strikers’ Note not all world class and named a few you might know. Maupay, Woods,Ings, Jimenez, Puki, Deeney, Toney, Jukiewicz... with the best intentions your are talking nonsense. Santa Claus, The lockness monster, Yeti I will give you but Striker... Come on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: Neither was Bobby Reid BTR with all possible respect. There's something about AS that I like, maybe its his directness. I genuinely think we have a good player on our hands. Could he replace Fam? Could he offer more than Fam? Yes, in the right team set up. I really hope that if Fam goes we replace him with something different.....pace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, Better Red said: Are you for real. Few and fat between.. You don’t think Wells is a striker. I stopped listing ‘Strikers’ because I got bored.... Here is just a few more to help ‘Strikers’ Note not all world class and named a few you might know. Maupay, Woods,Ings, Jimenez, Puki, Deeney, Toney, Jukiewicz... with the best intentions your are talking nonsense. Santa Claus, The lockness monster, Yeti I will give you but Striker... Come on Not sure how many are 'traditional' strikers tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Red Posted January 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Not sure how many are 'traditional' strikers tbh. Not you as well. Stop it. Which ones are not Strikers from the 15 or so I have mentioned. Deeney - Good spot Play maker who sits behind the Striker... Toney was that false number 9 we were after.. Ings he could play wide in a three... Woods he can play in the Messi role.. The answer ‘No’ to all three. The reason because they all ‘Strikers’ Sorry but you just don’t understand football or you are messing about - can’t work out which one.. If your messing about. Then at least I have educated you about a ‘Striker’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: Don’t worry, the sooner some people realise that they are constraining their thought processes by using terms like “striker” to evaluate performance of a player the better. It can be useful, in its simplistic form, but perhaps demonstrates why English football hasn’t evolved like in other countries. Thomas Muller, idolised in Germany, Dirk Kuyt, “doesn’t score enough” in this country. What does that say? Same as people thinking 433 is more attacking than 451, and the number of “strikers” determines your “attackingness”. What a load of horseshit!! A recent German squad simply listed their players as Goalkeepers, Defenders and Forwards. Not striker in sight. Yeah baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Better Red said: Are you for real. Few and fat between.. You don’t think Wells is a striker. I stopped listing ‘Strikers’ because I got bored.... Here is just a few more to help ‘Strikers’ Note not all world class and named a few you might know. Maupay, Woods,Ings, Jimenez, Puki, Deeney, Toney, Jukiewicz... with the best intentions your are talking nonsense. Santa Claus, The lockness monster, Yeti I will give you but Striker... Come on Is school open tomorrow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Better Red Posted January 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 6 hours ago, REDOXO said: Is school open tomorrow! Only for key workers kids. If you read a bit more you would know. I recommend 442 magazine. They have a nice article for you to help - Ranked! The best ‘strikers’ in the world. October 15 2020 addition. But then again what do they know. Maybe you could write them a message and let them they don’t exist. Like I said stop talking nonsense.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 19 minutes ago, Better Red said: Only for key workers kids. If you read a bit more you would know. I recommend 442 magazine. They have a nice article for you to help - Ranked! The best ‘strikers’ in the world. October 15 2020 addition. But then again what do they know. Maybe you could write them a message and let them they don’t exist. Like I said stop talking nonsense.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 9 hours ago, Better Red said: Which ones are not Strikers from the 15 or so I have mentioned. Woods he can play in the Messi role.. The answer ‘No’ to all three. The reason because they all ‘Strikers’ Who's Woods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 19 hours ago, RedHienz said: imagine we shant have him long so enjoy Because he's league one at best. That's his level.... Let's hope he's not there with us 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 How can someone be league one level, when arguably he was our man of the match on Saturday? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, Davefevs said: How can someone be league one level, when arguably he was our man of the match on Saturday? Does he not also have the best pass accuracy in the Team? Courtesy of you Dave that was i think. If he starts banging in goals at his age say 15-20 do people think he would remain here ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 17 hours ago, BTRFTG said: Perchance like Garita, Burns, Eisa, Engvald, McCoulsky and other 'wunderkinds' too numerous to mention he'll be scoring occasionally somewhere. He may even follow in the steps and hit the heights of much missed De Giralomo who's banging one in every other game....at Buxton! And there was I thinking we had pretentions to be a Championship contender..... To be fair , he’s still raw no doubt but a much better player than the players you’ve listed. He needs to be calmer around the box . His finish Saturday was a prime example of this. Times he’s smashed a finish when others are in better positions but I think that calmness & final ball will come 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 36 minutes ago, Son of Fred said: Because he's league one at best. That's his level.... Let's hope he's not there with us Some of you are so quick to trash young players. Do you write off all young people so quickly? Lets hope you dont work in education Have a word with yourself 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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