marmite Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 Palmer needs to be allowed free reign to be able to receive and pass the ball quickly then get it back again. (Something in the way Edgar Davids used to play, and no I'm not comparing the 2!) But that requires quick movement around him and we are not playing that way atm. As Red Robbo said, he needs to keep moving but he needs movement ahead of him to off load. He is no good at tracking back and defending but we shouldn't be asking that of him, thats not where he is effective. I don't think he will work in our present set up, and I don't see Holden changing it any time soon. He must have brought him back for some reason though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 3 hours ago, The hand of RO'D said: Not to debunk your information Dave but you only have to look at the way LJ treated Palmer to see that isn’t the case 3 hours ago, Loco Rojo said: But then you could say the same about how he got rid of Wright and the comments he made of him. Complete contrasts. 2 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: Hmmm....not for me. LJ barely played KP in his first loan spell, never really spoke that highly of him, and then completely axed him from the setup after he signed on a permanent deal. I'm sure LJ was keen on the idea of a fully fit, fully committed KP, however the reality is that KP lacks important attributes required of a top-end Championship footballer. His concentration levels and desire to help defend on behalf of the team are substandard, and personally I think he'll struggle to carve out a career at this level, unless something fundamentally changes. 1 hour ago, Sheltons Army said: Surprising then how LJ made cooing noises towards the end f his loan spell ’If I could have Kasey for a full pre season ‘ etc Got him , played him , went off him ,left him out..... Some of the deflection and defences of Johnson , whilst everything is pointed at Ashton is cringeworthy tbh I think you all make valid points. Just relaying what I was told. Unless he comes back and sets the world alight, it’s gonna go down as a horrid signing....worse than Tomlin (permanent)....plus we are unlikely to get back what we did for Tomlin too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 It really is amazing. According to many on here, it's everybody else's fault that Palmer is a show pony! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 16 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I think you all make valid points. Just relaying what I was told. Unless he comes back and sets the world alight, it’s gonna go down as a horrid signing....worse than Tomlin (permanent)....plus we are unlikely to get back what we did for Tomlin too. Running on from your recruitment review thread Dave We really havn’t done great with our ‘Marquee’ ( Big £££) signings have we Tomlin Famara (Not a disaster in any way but not a roaring success) Palmer Wells Kalas (Done ‘ok’ but not sure we’d recoup our money at the moment) You can see now that Tomlin , Famara , and , as it stands , Palmer are likely to see a deficit in £million of double figures , in fees alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, downendcity said: Is that a sort of delicatessanoptometrist where you go to have smoked pork belly fitted. Du sprichst gut Deutsch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 When all of the dust settles and which side of the HNM or KP45 fence you prefer to be, the facts are these players are Bristol City players, we even tried before we bought with Palmer. The point I am making is that Massengo, Nagy, Palmer, Wells & I would include Adelakun because the stats say so, are talented individuals who would grace any team. The CLUB have identified these players and signed them and although the Head Coach is there to discuss these potential signings it is JL & MA & Co who sanction the deals once all of the club's criteria have been met. Therefore it doesn't really matter whether it's LJ or DH as they are merely the coach. It is up to the Head Coach to get the best out of these talented individuals. So if HNM isn't featuring or gets hauled off that is down to the poor tactics of the coaching staff not the player. A right footed midfielder playing wide left!?! If Palmer is losing the ball it is because there is no movement up front. That is down to tactics of the coaching staff. It is not because he is a "show pony" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 On 03/01/2021 at 15:18, joshbristol said: Recalled tomorrow from Swansea loan obafemi going to Swansea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Swede said: If Palmer is losing the ball it is because there is no movement up front. No, not necessarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Chappers Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 An awful lot of mediocre performances at a number of clubs, yet it’s always the fault of someone else. Never understood his signing, as he did not impress on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 I rate Palmer. I know he splits opinion and has flaws, but I think he’s a real talent and one of the very few creative players we’ve got. Just think about the through-ball to Rowe at Brum early last season, or the pass to Brownhill for the late winner v Charlton. He needs to do this more, but it’s there. And he needs a run of games. And when it comes down to it, we spent quite a lot of money on him (was it around £4m?) after he’d been here on loan. We knew enough about him to sign him. So if he’s not deemed good enough by the club, that raises questions for me about our recruitment. Why spend that sort of money for the sake of it? I say bring him back, give him a run in the side (it can’t make us any worse than we have been) and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 11 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: Hmmm....not for me. LJ barely played KP in his first loan spell, never really spoke that highly of him, and then completely axed him from the setup after he signed on a permanent deal. I'm sure LJ was keen on the idea of a fully fit, fully committed KP, however the reality is that KP lacks important attributes required of a top-end Championship footballer. His concentration levels and desire to help defend on behalf of the team are substandard, and personally I think he'll struggle to carve out a career at this level, unless something fundamentally changes. Funnily enough that was my views on JET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 On 03/01/2021 at 15:18, joshbristol said: Recalled tomorrow from Swansea loan obafemi going to Swansea Can we now assume that this was a wind-up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 Better wait until tomorrow... just in case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 I’ve come to accept the fact whoever we bring into City, no matter how talented. We’ll just break that potential down and make them shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, Redpool said: I’ve come to accept the fact whoever we bring into City, no matter how talented. We’ll just break that potential down and make them shite. Or maybe it’s down to poor recruitment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 Third time lucky maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 Now recalled. We must be desperate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Lew-T said: Or maybe it’s down to poor recruitment? Poor coaching and setup in my view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazy07 Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 Had amble opportunity at many clubs and not shown anything. Poor mans JET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppello Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, dazy07 said: Had amble opportunity at many clubs and not shown anything. Poor mans JET Would you rather he sat on the bench at Swansea City who are second in the league and we continue to cobble together 9 subs or he at least sits on our bench? Agreed he needs to offer more but he is someone who can at least offer some positivity and attacking intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted January 5, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, Coppello said: Would you rather he sat on the bench at Swansea City who are second in the league and we continue to cobble together 9 subs or he at least sits on our bench? Agreed he needs to offer more but he is someone who can at least offer some positivity and attacking intent. Would rather he wasted Swansea's time and money sat on their bench. I've no confidence he's the type of player we need at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 27 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Third time lucky maybe. Hope your right but think it will be more of the same, flashes of brilliance when we are playing well and winning. When we are in a fight bullied off the ball too easily and as anonymous as everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Lew-T said: Or maybe it’s down to poor recruitment? Mix of the two perhaps...but I do wonder about some of the coaching and development, it's far from uncommon that we see players regress from their starting point/point of signing here. Talking more widely I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Wilson Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 Can’t wait for him to, hopefully, get a big chance and take it well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 One of his best performances for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, Sturny said: One of his best performances for us Against probably his level of opposition, unfortunately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fpcity Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 I had a feeling that Johnson was going to try and convert him to a striker or false 9 when he said he'd like to spend a summer with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Wilson Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, nickolas said: Against probably his level of opposition, unfortunately! Can we bloody not? I don’t see anyone saying this about Chris Martin after that game. Why can’t we just get behind a player, an undoubtedly talented one at that, instead of immediately dismissing and putting him down? He had an amazing game against Northampton, why can’t we celebrate that, huh? He could galvanise our season, he could also not but let’s support him either way yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 29 minutes ago, phantom said: Would rather he wasted Swansea's time and money sat on their bench. I've no confidence he's the type of player we need at the moment. A player that can create coming into a team that doesnt create? Really is the type we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuffle Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 Play him in a 3-5-2 just behind the front 2 and tell him you’re going to get a run of games to prove yourself. There’s an undoubted talent but some on here seem to think unless he beats 6/7 or plays a worldie within the 10-20 mins as sub he had last year then he’s rubbish. Other players get a run of games to find form here so Kasey’s turn. Seems to be quite a few willing him to fail just to say “told you so!!” Don’t blow your chance Kasey, so over to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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