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26 minutes ago, ReggyRed said:

Had some good times here, very under appreciated the job he done for us on here because of some weird personal agenda against the bloke, so ignore half the replies you get. But took us from certain relegation (under a manager who is a god to some on here) to a team challenging at the top end of the championship. Turned a few players into gems that we managed to sell on for a lot of money. You’ve got a good manager and I’m sure he will do a good job for you.

 

 

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‘ Certain relegation’  - plum 

Remember to tell them of the 70/80 players signed 

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27 minutes ago, tin said:

The same with making bogus claims like we’ll be in the Europa League five years after he joined

I mean if you're basing it all on mis-quoting the guy then sure. We'll and we could are very different, 'where do you see the club in 5 years' .... 'we could be in the europa league' I remember at the time specifically pointing to Swansea as an example of a club he thought he were the size of and how they had managed to progress in a 5 year period and said there was no reason we couldn't do the same.

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28 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

I've seen to it! @Riaz I think you may enjoy this...

 

Hi Sunderland fans,

 

Hope you're all keeping well. I've joined the board to attempt to give you a balanced view on Lee Johnson. I'm afraid I might find this hard though as I'm sure you find out on reading this post.

 

Lee Johnson was appointed following the sacking of Steve Cotterill. Cotts had just given us our best ever season, albeit it at league one level. We won the league at a canter amassing 99 points and just for good measure we won't the Mickey Mouse trophy. Regrettably things didn't fare so well in the Championship and at the first sign of trouble, he was booted out with us third from bottom, two points from safety with half the season gone. Our chairman, Steve Lansdown offered Cotts no backing whatsoever and was very quick to pull the trigger.

 

This brought about the appointment of Lee Johnson. Poached from Barnsley where he'd done quite well. They'd eventually get promoted off the back of his start to the season, although they had recently endured their record losing streak under LJ and so the reality is that the Barnsley fans weren't exactly massively upset to see him go.

 

Things changed dramatically when LJ was appointed. you may be aware of LJ's dad Gary. He was a legend of a manager for us and took us to the play off final in 07/08 with a squad that performed well above the level of the players contained within it (remember this point). It was during this time that Steve Lansdown (owner) struck up a lasting friendship with the Johnson family - alarm bells ringing at all?

 

A closed cheque book for Steve Cotterill suddenly opened wide and players that Cotts hadn't been allowed to sign (Lee Tomlin - 20k wages, our highest earner being on 13k) were suddenly given the green light. On the back of these signings, including your own (I think) Adam Matthews, Tomlin and Peter Odemwinge, Lee Johnson guided us to safety.

 

In the coming seasons we'd see signings authorised left, right and centre. For millions and millions of pounds. Money was thrown about like we've never seen before - some (including me) would say because of Lansdown's fondness for Johnson. And we established ourselves as a team that would flatter to deceive. It cannot be ignore that admit it all Lee Johnson stumbled across a formula to have us playing scintillating football and we were neck and neck with Wolves up until Christmas at the top of the league, until we'll crumbled away in extremely poor fashion that saw us go on a remarkable streak of results that looked like that welsh train station with the really long name, these runs included a record 8/9 L's in a row and another similar run. And a number of fans took to christening him streaky Johnson as he'd manage to paper over the cracks (my opinion) with a couple of wins and a draw thereafter.

 

Signing wise, Johnson signed a lot of dross. He signed foreigners that played next to no minutes, including the NZ goalkeeper who had arguably the worst performance any player has ever had for Bristol City ever, or maybe even any football team ever. There were a few like this. Players he talk up, pay a lot and then not play.

 

Things weren't all bad on the transfer front though. He'd sign Adam Webster for 4.5m from Ipswich and sell him to Brighton for up to 26m and he signed Josh Brownhill for a pittance and sell him to Burnley for 7m (although this was pretty obviously always going to happen given his obvious talent).

 

Johnson also played a pretty uninspiring midfielder (who I'd have happily let go on a free) up top. Bobby Reid was in his last chance saloon at Bristol City when an injury crisis saw Johnson play him up front in a very successful pre season. We'd go onto sell him to Cardiff for 10m and he now remarkably pays his trade with Fulham in the Prem. Johnson can take full credit for that. 

 

He's also sell Johnathon Kodjia (15m to Villa), Aden Flint (7m - i forget whether to Cardiff or Boro) and Joe Bryan (6m Fulham), and whereas pro LJers would have you believe this was LJ's work, they were already at City (and had performed well) and so I'd suggest his credit in the transfers is extremely limited.

 

Post that defeat to Wolves, our football became awful. The worst we've ever seen at Bristol City. At the opposite end of the spectrum to what we'd seen earlier that season - hence why i used the phrase 'stumbled across a formula' earlier in this write up, it genuinely wasn't me being disingenuous. We were crap and Ashton Gate became anything but a fortress. We were weak, football was awful and more and more often fans would be calling for his head. But his good family friend Steve Lansdown stuck with him. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't all bad, away from home we became masters of nicking a 0-1 win on the road, but this would (in my opinion) paper over the cracks of the dour home form.

 

We'd regularly enjoy a decent enough start to the season and then fade away dramatically to 8-12th spot and given the tens of millions of outgoings and then now bulging wage structure, Johnson left us with a bloated squad with players in it that we knew were quality (Tamas Kalas - 2 promotions to prom), but somehow they managed to look like sunday league players.

 

Don't get me started on playing players out of position, we'd see players shoehorned into the starting line up at the expense of someone who genuinely would play in the position that he needed to fill. Then there was the 'Johnson Tombola' - if you want a steady and consistent line up then I'm afraid you've come to the wrong place. Our star left winger - who'd finish last season at the top of the assist making charts, couldn't get a run of games in the team no matter how well he played - can you imagine his stats if he'd got a fair crack?

 

Then there's the credit taking. If we won "They players stuck to my plan brilliantly", if we lost he'd single players out. I seem to recall a game where we lost heavily. He brought on a sub at half time (or there abouts) with us 2 or 3 down, the proceeded to blame him when we lost 4-0. Our ability to hold a lead became nothing short of awful - do you recall when we were 3-0 up against you at half time and drew 3-3? Awful. Blaming players is something Johnson does equally as well as taking credit himself. And he's good at excuses, blaming Villa beating us on the positioning of the away fans and excuses too... there was a time when we got completely trounced by Brentford nd he said something like "After their third goal, we more than matched them" - we lost 3-0. You getting the picture yet? 

 

Now comes my favourite point about Lee Johnson. The Johnsonisms. He is completely full of shit. As i understand it, there was quite a David Brent type character on STID? I never got far enough into the series to meet him, but LJ is more than a match for him. It got to a point where i couldn't listen to him. Win lose or draw I couldn't stand hearing what he had to say. It was just an embarrassment - I hope you'll learn exactly what it is that i'm referring to - but let just say you'd be well placed to start a thread on "Johnsonisms" on your forum and it'll be well populated very quickly.

 

I'm afraid I can't bring you much joyful news about your impending appointment of Lee Johnson. There were many points during his tenure where i'd have taken anyone to replace him - literally anyone - the football was that bad.

 

He does silly things, like  measure the length of the grass, spend a shift in A&E, go to an army training camp, spend a night in the kitchen of a Michelin starred restaurant and his latest boast is to have sat down with someone who's amassed 9,000 hours of army interrogation - this is the sort of bullshit that might impress the newspapers, but in reality when he's playing a LB at CD, or a winger in CM don't really matter. He's calls them the 1%'s, but the 90%'s that matter, he couldn't seem to master.

 

So good luck Sunderland. I'm afraid to say you're going to need it. When you hear sky Sports refer to Bristol City playing a fast attacking expansive brand of football, the reality is that they're basing it on 4 months out of 5 years. The rest was rubbish. There came a point they'd say it every time we where on TV.

 

I hope that A Bristol City fan can come on here an give a good counter argument. As you can tell from above I'm absolutely no LJ fan, and I might have undersold some of his strengths (thinking about the opponent strengths rather than our own is another one). There are City fans who like him, but they tend to be the ones who deliberately ignore that he only got the job because the owner is essentially his god father and backed him with more finances that we've ever seen before.

 

Good luck lads and lasses. I fear you'll need it. Because at Sunderland he'll be without his biggest strength - Steve Lansdown.

 

Fordy

 

 

What an embarrassing post, obsessed.

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16 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

1) Id just point out He’s yet to get any side in the play offs , let alone promoted after 400 or so games as a manager I know. Hence promotion will be his biggest challenge.

2) When did he ‘cement us’ in the top 6.....or 8 in the Championship Fair. Top half then.


Did I miss something

Thanks for proofreading my work.

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2 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

Interesting that every single one of your posts and reactions , In your forum lifetime

is in desperate defence of Johnson

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmm   

??

And you are so obsessed with LJ that you go through other posters histories and track their usernames just because they hold a differing opinion.

Is OTIB your homepage?

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21 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

I mean if you're basing it all on mis-quoting the guy then sure. We'll and we could are very different, 'where do you see the club in 5 years' .... 'we could be in the europa league' I remember at the time specifically pointing to Swansea as an example of a club he thought he were the size of and how they had managed to progress in a 5 year period and said there was no reason we couldn't do the same.

Sorry, fella, not misquoting at all. 

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1 hour ago, BS15_RED said:

I can certainly see the attraction for LJ going to Sunderland, as much as they’re in the dumps at the moment, if he can get them going then the potential to kick on again is enormous. It’ll be a move that will either make or break his career. 

It will indeed. He'll be expected to get them promoted and then stabilise them in the Championship at least. If he does that then it enhances his reputation. If he can't get them up then he's probably destined to spend the rest of his career in the lower leagues.

It'll be fascinating to see how he gets on. It's a big risk for him.

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1 hour ago, Major Isewater said:

Maybe he has learned from his mistakes here . He is an intelligent man so why would he make the same errors ? 
 

I hope he gets the job and does well. 

Quite right. He is looking to improve his management. Some jargon annoys people but you won’t be successful in an evolving sport if you are dogmatic with your philosophy. 

He was great for us. It was time to move on, but not every relationship has to be looked at as a failure when it’s over. 

I hope he does well too and I don’t begrudge the Makems a bit of happiness

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37 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Just truthful. 

Why can’t you understand that League One and the championship are very different? So many experienced managers struggle with big clubs in the Championship. But the Cotts v Johnson comparison goes on for ever. 
 

I am embarrassed by your post on their forum

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10 minutes ago, fairweather said:

Why can’t you understand that League One and the championship are very different? So many experienced managers struggle with big clubs in the Championship. But the Cotts v Johnson comparison goes on for ever. 
 

I am embarrassed by your post on their forum

I’m embarrassed you’re ignoring the fact that LJ’s appointment & relative success here was based on nepotism. 

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2 hours ago, Fordy62 said:

I've seen to it! @Riaz I think you may enjoy this...

 

Hi Sunderland fans,

 

Hope you're all keeping well. I've joined the board to attempt to give you a balanced view on Lee Johnson. I'm afraid I might find this hard though as I'm sure you find out on reading this post.

 

Lee Johnson was appointed following the sacking of Steve Cotterill. Cotts had just given us our best ever season, albeit it at league one level. We won the league at a canter amassing 99 points and just for good measure we won't the Mickey Mouse trophy. Regrettably things didn't fare so well in the Championship and at the first sign of trouble, he was booted out with us third from bottom, two points from safety with half the season gone. Our chairman, Steve Lansdown offered Cotts no backing whatsoever and was very quick to pull the trigger.

 

This brought about the appointment of Lee Johnson. Poached from Barnsley where he'd done quite well. They'd eventually get promoted off the back of his start to the season, although they had recently endured their record losing streak under LJ and so the reality is that the Barnsley fans weren't exactly massively upset to see him go.

 

Things changed dramatically when LJ was appointed. you may be aware of LJ's dad Gary. He was a legend of a manager for us and took us to the play off final in 07/08 with a squad that performed well above the level of the players contained within it (remember this point). It was during this time that Steve Lansdown (owner) struck up a lasting friendship with the Johnson family - alarm bells ringing at all?

 

A closed cheque book for Steve Cotterill suddenly opened wide and players that Cotts hadn't been allowed to sign (Lee Tomlin - 20k wages, our highest earner being on 13k) were suddenly given the green light. On the back of these signings, including your own (I think) Adam Matthews, Tomlin and Peter Odemwinge, Lee Johnson guided us to safety.

 

In the coming seasons we'd see signings authorised left, right and centre. For millions and millions of pounds. Money was thrown about like we've never seen before - some (including me) would say because of Lansdown's fondness for Johnson. And we established ourselves as a team that would flatter to deceive. It cannot be ignore that admit it all Lee Johnson stumbled across a formula to have us playing scintillating football and we were neck and neck with Wolves up until Christmas at the top of the league, until we'll crumbled away in extremely poor fashion that saw us go on a remarkable streak of results that looked like that welsh train station with the really long name, these runs included a record 8/9 L's in a row and another similar run. And a number of fans took to christening him streaky Johnson as he'd manage to paper over the cracks (my opinion) with a couple of wins and a draw thereafter.

 

Signing wise, Johnson signed a lot of dross. He signed foreigners that played next to no minutes, including the NZ goalkeeper who had arguably the worst performance any player has ever had for Bristol City ever, or maybe even any football team ever. There were a few like this. Players he talk up, pay a lot and then not play.

 

Things weren't all bad on the transfer front though. He'd sign Adam Webster for 4.5m from Ipswich and sell him to Brighton for up to 26m and he signed Josh Brownhill for a pittance and sell him to Burnley for 7m (although this was pretty obviously always going to happen given his obvious talent).

 

Johnson also played a pretty uninspiring midfielder (who I'd have happily let go on a free) up top. Bobby Reid was in his last chance saloon at Bristol City when an injury crisis saw Johnson play him up front in a very successful pre season. We'd go onto sell him to Cardiff for 10m and he now remarkably pays his trade with Fulham in the Prem. Johnson can take full credit for that. 

 

He's also sell Johnathon Kodjia (15m to Villa), Aden Flint (7m - i forget whether to Cardiff or Boro) and Joe Bryan (6m Fulham), and whereas pro LJers would have you believe this was LJ's work, they were already at City (and had performed well) and so I'd suggest his credit in the transfers is extremely limited.

 

Post that defeat to Wolves, our football became awful. The worst we've ever seen at Bristol City. At the opposite end of the spectrum to what we'd seen earlier that season - hence why i used the phrase 'stumbled across a formula' earlier in this write up, it genuinely wasn't me being disingenuous. We were crap and Ashton Gate became anything but a fortress. We were weak, football was awful and more and more often fans would be calling for his head. But his good family friend Steve Lansdown stuck with him. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't all bad, away from home we became masters of nicking a 0-1 win on the road, but this would (in my opinion) paper over the cracks of the dour home form.

 

We'd regularly enjoy a decent enough start to the season and then fade away dramatically to 8-12th spot and given the tens of millions of outgoings and then now bulging wage structure, Johnson left us with a bloated squad with players in it that we knew were quality (Tamas Kalas - 2 promotions to prom), but somehow they managed to look like sunday league players.

 

Don't get me started on playing players out of position, we'd see players shoehorned into the starting line up at the expense of someone who genuinely would play in the position that he needed to fill. Then there was the 'Johnson Tombola' - if you want a steady and consistent line up then I'm afraid you've come to the wrong place. Our star left winger - who'd finish last season at the top of the assist making charts, couldn't get a run of games in the team no matter how well he played - can you imagine his stats if he'd got a fair crack?

 

Then there's the credit taking. If we won "They players stuck to my plan brilliantly", if we lost he'd single players out. I seem to recall a game where we lost heavily. He brought on a sub at half time (or there abouts) with us 2 or 3 down, the proceeded to blame him when we lost 4-0. Our ability to hold a lead became nothing short of awful - do you recall when we were 3-0 up against you at half time and drew 3-3? Awful. Blaming players is something Johnson does equally as well as taking credit himself. And he's good at excuses, blaming Villa beating us on the positioning of the away fans and excuses too... there was a time when we got completely trounced by Brentford nd he said something like "After their third goal, we more than matched them" - we lost 3-0. You getting the picture yet? 

 

Now comes my favourite point about Lee Johnson. The Johnsonisms. He is completely full of shit. As i understand it, there was quite a David Brent type character on STID? I never got far enough into the series to meet him, but LJ is more than a match for him. It got to a point where i couldn't listen to him. Win lose or draw I couldn't stand hearing what he had to say. It was just an embarrassment - I hope you'll learn exactly what it is that i'm referring to - but let just say you'd be well placed to start a thread on "Johnsonisms" on your forum and it'll be well populated very quickly.

 

I'm afraid I can't bring you much joyful news about your impending appointment of Lee Johnson. There were many points during his tenure where i'd have taken anyone to replace him - literally anyone - the football was that bad.

 

He does silly things, like  measure the length of the grass, spend a shift in A&E, go to an army training camp, spend a night in the kitchen of a Michelin starred restaurant and his latest boast is to have sat down with someone who's amassed 9,000 hours of army interrogation - this is the sort of bullshit that might impress the newspapers, but in reality when he's playing a LB at CD, or a winger in CM don't really matter. He's calls them the 1%'s, but the 90%'s that matter, he couldn't seem to master.

 

So good luck Sunderland. I'm afraid to say you're going to need it. When you hear sky Sports refer to Bristol City playing a fast attacking expansive brand of football, the reality is that they're basing it on 4 months out of 5 years. The rest was rubbish. There came a point they'd say it every time we where on TV.

 

I hope that A Bristol City fan can come on here an give a good counter argument. As you can tell from above I'm absolutely no LJ fan, and I might have undersold some of his strengths (thinking about the opponent strengths rather than our own is another one). There are City fans who like him, but they tend to be the ones who deliberately ignore that he only got the job because the owner is essentially his god father and backed him with more finances that we've ever seen before.

 

Good luck lads and lasses. I fear you'll need it. Because at Sunderland he'll be without his biggest strength - Steve Lansdown.

 

Fordy

 

 

I know you never liked Johnson but I think a fair amount of that is pretty unfair. Lots valid of course. Then again, LJ is as divisive a manager as I've ever known at City so for every post like this there'll be some that I will see as more balanced. 

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Cheers for the feedback lads & lasses! 
here’s hoping it’s a good fit for him and he finally gets us out of this awful league! 
 

again, best of luck for the remainder of the season and I apologise on our behalf if we ruined any development in Semenyo....blame dinosaur Parky for that! 

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26 minutes ago, Mackem33 said:

Cheers for the feedback lads & lasses! 
here’s hoping it’s a good fit for him and he finally gets us out of this awful league! 
 

again, best of luck for the remainder of the season and I apologise on our behalf if we ruined any development in Semenyo....blame dinosaur Parky for that! 

If he's working under/with somebody that'll be a nightmare scenario.

With WeeLee it's his way or the highway, no matter how correct or talented his critic might be.

Napoleon Complex, as with his father that's his signal weakness. You have been warned.

PS - don't fall for the BS or gimmicks. Drones and grass measuring are pointless if you can't implement the basics.

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2 hours ago, View from the Dolman said:

Except for the fact the question wasn't about where the club would be in 5 years.

The question was: “Lee, where do you see the club in five years’ time under your management?” You can see his answer, and he wasn’t afraid to “stick his neck on the line” to answer it. That, IMO, equates to arrogance and delusion in equal measure - one of many examples I could cite, but I’m glad we’ve moved on. 

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3 hours ago, Mackem33 said:

Afternoon! Sunderland fan here! 
 

interested to read the comments on this thread. As it looks like we’re about to appoint Lee Johnson, I wondered what the overall thoughts are on here in relation to him? Good appointment for us? What’s his football like? & Does he have the ability to bring together an extremely unhappy, frustrated and disheartened fan base. 
 

To explain the underwhelming reaction from the majority of our fans, we’re on the verge of announcing a takeover with a multi-billionaire, talk of Poyet coming back got a lot of us excited again, the past few years have been nothing short of painful for us Sunderland fans, so the idea of a manager coming back in who is still loved from his previous tenure, was a nice escape for a bit. 
 

We’re desperate for a bit of success, by that I mean, just a club we can love again, Donald and Co have destroyed us, selling of assets, lying about fans and making full blown stories up about us! 
 

Hopefully it’s a time to start looking forward again. 
 

Good luck for the rest of your season, would be great to see you lot go up and give the PL a really good shot! 

Ps. Bailey Wright looks a level above at this level, very impressive defender!

Cheers!

I feel for you to be honest. Never have i been more glad to see the back of a manager than i have Lee Johnson!

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