Silvio Dante Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 https://trainingground.guru/articles/lee-johnson-evolution-of-a-manager In case you’re missing him. Decent enough read from LJ about managerial style, data analysis and yes - busy bees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 No disrespect to you Silvio , and thanks for, posting as many will be interested But I’m reminded I’m not , and was fed up with his philosophies well before he left He can make some interesting points but you have to suffer a mountain of buzzwords and bull to hear or read them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 Good read. Honestly. Comes across very well. Like THIS Lee. What happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 Quote I learnt about things like how to manage a maverick. When I played for Bristol City, I was alongside a lad called David Noble. Gazza mentioned him in his book as one of the best talents he’d ever played with, that’s how good he was. He was an unbelievable lad too, but he lived the life. It was my job as the number six or number eight to feed him, the 10, as quickly as I possibly could. I was doing his running, covering the gaps he left, but every time I did he acknowledged it and made me feel on top of the world when I got the ball to him early. And I loved what he could do on the ball. If a super-talented player can enhance the team then you'll make those sacrifices. I’ve always remembered that. Didn't seem to manage Tomlin (Ok hard work but knew what you were getting) & Palmer too well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 For **** sake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, petehinton said: For **** sake I wonder why he was accused of over-thinking sometimes?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinny Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 He has zero self awareness. The same guy who tells his kids 'Show me your friends and I’ll show you your future'... has no friends! "If you can resist the material things in your twenties then you’ll have a good chance of being successful and well-rounded for the rest of your life." Lee, you have no hobbies and friends and you spend all your time trying to improve your leadership. You're not well rounded. "If I’m not playing, I’m not happy. That can be an impossible task for a manager, which is why I’m a massive believer in having the right squad size." I didn't realise that 30 was the right squad size... "I couldn't go into the dressing room and suddenly pretend I was Sir Alex Ferguson, because the players would have seen through that straight away. Players can read through bullshit very, very quickly." So when the players do their impressions of you about having played 5000 games in the midfield, and are laughing at you, do you not thing to yourself..hmm, maybe they see through my BS. "If a super-talented player can enhance the team then you'll make those sacrifices. I’ve always remembered that." That's why we bought Kasey Palmer and didn't surround him with runners, right. Luke Freeman the same. Lee Tomlin the same. "I’ve got a natural thirst for improvement. Not trying to reinvent the wheel, but continually seeking ways to be a better leader." Then stop reading self improvement and self help books, stop talking to experts, and go manage people. "They’re all little techniques you learn, which have to be true to how you are as a human being and how you work." Lee you are constantly trying to change who you are and how you act. That's not being true to yourself, unless who you are is not a real person and a collection of catch phrases and motivational therapy one liners. "That is what worries me with all our kids - this external gratification which is relied upon." He says as he does an article so that people can praise him for how smart he is. He's so busy digging into something trying to find the 1% that he misses the main concept. He watches "all or nothing" and takes tips from Bruce Arians who of course, has never won as a head coach, and only as a coordinator. He has zero self awareness. If Lee Johnson the manager actually listened to Lee Johnson the life Guru he might actually do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 What's interesting to me is this quote: "In my experience, the best assistants have had some experience of being managers themselves, because they understand what the manager has been through - winning runs, losing runs, transfer windows, players throwing their toys out of the pram - and what he needs." That's notably different to the assistants he actually had... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: What's interesting to me is this quote: "In my experience, the best assistants have had some experience of being managers themselves, because they understand what the manager has been through - winning runs, losing runs, transfer windows, players throwing their toys out of the pram - and what he needs." That's notably different to the assistants he actually had... Maybe that is something he has taken from his experience here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 39 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: https://trainingground.guru/articles/lee-johnson-evolution-of-a-manager In case you’re missing him. Decent enough read from LJ about managerial style, data analysis and yes - busy bees. "Nine seasons as a manager under his belt," and about 18 transfer windows. And, er, as of now, no promotions. Or top six play-off places. Under that belt. Still a bit of room under that belt for things like play-offs, and promotions. One cup semi final though, being fair. How long (number of complete seasons) did the following take to deliver their first play-off finish and/or promotion: Mick McCarthy - 1. Second full season at Millwall, lost in play offs, 2. Fifth full season, second full one at Sunderland, promoted. Chris Hooton - promoted with Newcastle in second full season as permanent manager. Play off finish in first season at Brum. Norwich flopped. Then first full season at Brighton finished in play offs, second full season there promoted. Chris Wilder - basically, it was bang, bang, bang, promotion, promotion, promotion. A little less conversation, a little more action/promotion than Lee, if you like. Neil Warnock - it took Neil nine years before he got in the play-offs but he put some interesting stuff on LinkedIn while the fans waited. Or not. Sean Dyche - had one full season at Watford, finishing 11th. Then in his second season at Burnley, they were promoted to the Prem. And promoted again two years after that. Sean has failed to deliver another promotion for Burnley since then (he might want to read up on Lee's coaching ideas). Stevie Cotterill - Cotts won promotion from a pub league to the Conference in his first full season at Cheltenham. Then he took two seasons to take them up from there into the Football League. Then another promotion, so three in five seasons. Yes it was mostly parks stuff, but it was still p-r-o-m-o-t-i-o-n. Going up. Eieiei-o, and all that. And no ****ing LinkedIn park. Gary Johnson - manager of Latvia for two full seasons but failed to get them promoted. Very poor. Second season at Yeovil, promoted into the FL. Well done. It took him two seasons to be promoted from Div 4. Then two seasons with us to be promoted. Then another promotion with Yeovil. In other words, no fannying around for nine seasons not getting promoted whilst simultaneously talking about himself like he was Rinus Michels. Alec Ferguson - put simply, he demonstrated what he could do without needing nine bleedin' "full seasons" (same goes for B. Clough, B. Shankly, M. Busby and pretty much any great manager you can think of). Gabriella Benson - she didn't take nine full seasons, did she? (I don't remember, but I doubt it. I don't think the advertisers or TV execs would've waited that long). Basically, if Lee was a recording artist, the music papers would love him, but the record industry would've long since told him to do one, and he'd be playing one of those stages you never see in person or on telly at Glastonbury at about 12.30 pm in front of 12 people (including his mum and missus) because his dad knew the bloke organising that stage (Derek in the Coopers) and just to shut him up. It's not necessarily that he hasn't got a great album in him, it's just that he needs to stop talking about it, and get it down on vinyl. If you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted November 30, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 32 minutes ago, petehinton said: For **** sake Pato’s never going to survive a waterboarding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 44 minutes ago, petehinton said: For **** sake **** me! He's so full fo shit Good grief, will he be using waterboarding and thumb screws next…? I'm so glad he's gone. Every match, I think, thank **** he's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, Moments of Pleasure said: "Nine seasons as a manager under his belt," and about 18 transfer windows. And, er, as of now, no promotions. Or top six play-off places. Under that belt. Still a bit of room under that belt for things like play-offs, and promotions. One cup semi final though, being fair. How long (number of complete seasons) did the following take to deliver their first play-off finish and/or promotion: Mick McCarthy - 1. Second full season at Millwall, lost in play offs, 2. Fifth full season, second full one at Sunderland, promoted. Chris Hooton - promoted with Newcastle in second full season as permanent manager. Play off finish in first season at Brum. Norwich flopped. Then first full season at Brighton finished in play offs, second full season there promoted. Chris Wilder - basically, it was bang, bang, bang, promotion, promotion, promotion. A little less conversation, a little more action/promotion than Lee, if you like. Neil Warnock - it took Neil nine years before he got in the play-offs but he put some interesting stuff on LinkedIn while the fans waited. Or not. Sean Dyche - had one full season at Watford, finishing 11th. Then in his second season at Burnley, they were promoted to the Prem. And promoted again two years after that. Sean has failed to deliver another promotion for Burnley since then (he might want to read up on Lee's coaching ideas). Stevie Cotterill - Cotts won promotion from a pub league to the Conference in his first full season at Cheltenham. Then he took two seasons to take them up from there into the Football League. Then another promotion, so three in five seasons. Yes it was mostly parks stuff, but it was still p-r-o-m-o-t-i-o-n. Going up. Eieiei-o, and all that. And no ****ing LinkedIn park. Gary Johnson - manager of Latvia for two full seasons but failed to get them promoted. Very poor. Second season at Yeovil, promoted into the FL. Well done. It took him two seasons to be promoted from Div 4. Then two seasons with us to be promoted. Then another promotion with Yeovil. In other words, no fannying around for nine seasons not getting promoted whilst simultaneously talking about himself like he was Rinus Michels. Alec Ferguson - put simply, he demonstrated what he could do without needing nine bleedin' "full seasons" (same goes for B. Clough, B. Shankly, M. Busby and pretty much any great manager you can think of). Gabriella Benson - she didn't take nine full seasons, did she? (I don't remember, but I doubt it. I don't think the advertisers or TV execs would've waited that long). Basically, if Lee was a recording artist, the music papers would love him, but the record industry would've long since told him to do one, and he'd be playing one of those stages you never see in person or on telly at Glastonbury at about 12.30 pm in front of 12 people (including his mum and missus) because his dad knew the bloke organising that stage (Derek in the Coopers) and just to shut him up. It's not necessarily that he hasn't got a great album in him, it's just that he needs to stop talking about it, and get it down on vinyl. If you like. Aside from the fact that your last paragraph is a fairly accurate summary of British Sea Power, I think that - whilst there is truth in what you say - some of the managers you name had teams where the expectation was different. I don't think he has ever been in charge of a side where promotion would have been an expectation. That said, I think a failure to get at least a play-off finish with us showed a lack of consistency given how good we were at times. 30 minutes ago, sinenomine said: Maybe that is something he has taken from his experience here. Could well be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 I'm so glad we're shot of this bullshitter. He's had his entire life handed to him on a plate, was at best an average footballer, and doesn't have a promotion, final or cup win on his CV. If I was him, I'd be looking lower down the leagues and at getting serious achievements (league titles, promotions, even a clear style of play) under his belt rather than learning how to interrogate players etc. The higher up you go in football, the more you realise big players respect managers who've been there, done it and got the T-shirt. Not someone who played 90% of his career under his dad in the lower leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: **** me! He's so full fo shit Good grief, will he be using waterboarding and thumb screws next…? I'm so glad he's gone. Every match, I think, thank **** he's gone. Agree Max And whether DH succeeds , fails or somewhere in the middle I’m a lot more tolerant and appreciative it won’t be whilst spouting bluff, bull and on a personal ego trip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: Agree Max And whether DH succeeds , fails or somewhere in the middle I’m a lot more tolerant and appreciative it won’t be whilst spouting bluff, bull and on a personal ego trip yes, agreed. It's so refreshing and less stressful listening to Dean & co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, petehinton said: For **** sake We had 4 years of this... My word thank god he’s gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 hours ago, petehinton said: For **** sake I really think there is a good manager there somewhere if he didn't over-complicate things but this really suggests he hasn't learned not to over-complicate things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggyRed Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: https://trainingground.guru/articles/lee-johnson-evolution-of-a-manager In case you’re missing him. Decent enough read from LJ about managerial style, data analysis and yes - busy bees. I miss him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishreds Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 What BS, his trademark pass was to Bradley O or Jamie M, not Noble, he didn't have the vision. Extremely fortunate to have played over 150 times for our club, only possible with his father in charge. Oh and talking to the SAS (Previous Interview) absolutely no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 hours ago, petehinton said: For **** sake So.....you go and visit an expert in his field with no thought beforehand of its relevance. Where your PDP (Personal Development Plan) Lee, stating the development need and who / what can help you develop, your objectives, and your post-development implementation plan? That sums him up. 2 hours ago, Prinny said: He has zero self awareness. The same guy who tells his kids 'Show me your friends and I’ll show you your future'... has no friends! "If you can resist the material things in your twenties then you’ll have a good chance of being successful and well-rounded for the rest of your life." Lee, you have no hobbies and friends and you spend all your time trying to improve your leadership. You're not well rounded. "If I’m not playing, I’m not happy. That can be an impossible task for a manager, which is why I’m a massive believer in having the right squad size." I didn't realise that 30 was the right squad size... "I couldn't go into the dressing room and suddenly pretend I was Sir Alex Ferguson, because the players would have seen through that straight away. Players can read through bullshit very, very quickly." So when the players do their impressions of you about having played 5000 games in the midfield, and are laughing at you, do you not thing to yourself..hmm, maybe they see through my BS. "If a super-talented player can enhance the team then you'll make those sacrifices. I’ve always remembered that." That's why we bought Kasey Palmer and didn't surround him with runners, right. Luke Freeman the same. Lee Tomlin the same. "I’ve got a natural thirst for improvement. Not trying to reinvent the wheel, but continually seeking ways to be a better leader." Then stop reading self improvement and self help books, stop talking to experts, and go manage people. "They’re all little techniques you learn, which have to be true to how you are as a human being and how you work." Lee you are constantly trying to change who you are and how you act. That's not being true to yourself, unless who you are is not a real person and a collection of catch phrases and motivational therapy one liners. "That is what worries me with all our kids - this external gratification which is relied upon." He says as he does an article so that people can praise him for how smart he is. He's so busy digging into something trying to find the 1% that he misses the main concept. He watches "all or nothing" and takes tips from Bruce Arians who of course, has never won as a head coach, and only as a coordinator. He has zero self awareness. If Lee Johnson the manager actually listened to Lee Johnson the life Guru he might actually do better. I quite liked reading the piece, there were some nice bits, but boy, was their some BS too. I don’t think he can help himself can he. It is a perfect example of self-promotion, unfortunately if you’ve lived through his reign here you see straight through it. I’m not sure it would impress anyone of a higher standing than BCFC in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 A good read, clearly intelligent, and some of the techniques are similar to ones I have seen/ used in an office environment. We had some excellent times under him, and he left the club in a much healthier position than when he arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: https://trainingground.guru/articles/lee-johnson-evolution-of-a-manager In case you’re missing him. Decent enough read from LJ about managerial style, data analysis and yes - busy bees. If I don’t here from him again it’ll be too soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Bong Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 There's no bigger fan of Lee Johnson than Lee Johnson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 3 hours ago, tin said: I'm so glad we're shot of this bullshitter. He's had his entire life handed to him on a plate, was at best an average footballer, and doesn't have a promotion, final or cup win on his CV. If I was him, I'd be looking lower down the leagues and at getting serious achievements (league titles, promotions, even a clear style of play) under his belt rather than learning how to interrogate players etc. The higher up you go in football, the more you realise big players respect managers who've been there, done it and got the T-shirt. Not someone who played 90% of his career under his dad in the lower leagues. He might not have much success in his record as a manager, but if you refer to his CV, then you presumably include his playing career. He does have a few promotions and a cup win (including an assist for the winning goal) in his playing career. And of course he was instrumental in getting us to the Championship play off final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said: If I don’t here from him again it’ll be too soon When dissing a man who genuinely loved BCFC irrespective of his perceived lack of achievement or otherwise - perhaps you should review your own deficiencies first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: When dissing a man who genuinely loved BCFC irrespective of his perceived lack of achievement or otherwise - perhaps you should review your own deficiencies first? Oh, come on .... take a swipe at Lee and his ludicrous bullschiese, just this once? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 5 hours ago, petehinton said: For **** sake What a tit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 40 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: When dissing a man who genuinely loved BCFC irrespective of his perceived lack of achievement or otherwise - perhaps you should review your own deficiencies first? Oh yes a slight typo, and I suppose you’re shit doesn’t stink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted November 30, 2020 Report Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Tre Bong said: There's no bigger fan of Lee Johnson than Lee Johnson! In a nutshell. 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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