Fordy62 Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 When LJ was sacked, Steve Lansdown told us we wanted a breath of fresh air in the club. We didn’t get one. We got a man who spent the most of his managerial career under a man who played complete dross. Said assistant is now serving up that same dross and it should come as no surprise. As I said on the match day thread, these performances deserve the sack, however, the results don’t. The false position warnings are now being realised. We’re atrocious to watch and the only way we seem to win a game is by nicking it - we’ve dominated a grand total of no games. I don’t advocate the sacking of Dean Holden, but my word needs to pick up the pace a little or we’ll be heading for mid table obscurity before we know it. I don’t blame Dean Holden, but I do blame Mark Ashton & Steve Lansdown. It doesn’t look like a good appointment to me, not at all. Things were so promising when we were promised that “breath of fresh air”. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 I hate that I’m starting to agree with this. I’m usually the positive voice but that was unacceptable today. City, stop ruining my sodding weekend! I work too hard in the week for this shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassomylord Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 We have been nicking wins to prevent a losing run.....that trait will end at some point. Today was a damming performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted December 12, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Hopefully not a knee jerk reaction but I'm in agreement, we're a squad with lots of problems tonight We're short of fighters and leaders on the pitch, and times today you could see players looking around at each other not having any idea how to influence the game We've just been bossed by one of the worst sides in our league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Meanwhile in Nottingham, the "Hughton out" chat has started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 What is happening is no surprise. It was a ludicrous appointment and to expect the infamous ‘ breath of fresh air ‘ beggars belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted December 12, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 One consolation we didn't spend a fortune travelling to watch it live Just now, Leveller said: Meanwhile in Nottingham, the "Hughton out" chat has started. We'll never know how he would have done here. Forest has been a train wreck from top to bottom for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 We desperately need a Korey Smith character in midfield to add some steel. Very lightweight currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 I didn’t want him, but think this is harsh. We currently have about 15 fit players who have ever played league football & are playing 3 games a week. Results are far more important than performances until some of those seemingly permanently injured players like Walsh & Williams finally make some sort of actual contribution. We were poor today & I thought his team selection was wrong before kick off, but overall I think he has done ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, phantom said: One consolation we didn't spend a fortune travelling to watch it live By the look of things, the team didn't turn up either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullmoan Tone Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 If Williams and Walsh were his creative engine then he’s never had a chance. Cant help thinking Mawson was needed today to put some steel into the team and get them biting back. we need to get few core players fit and on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 minute ago, GasDestroyer said: We desperately need a Korey Smith character in midfield to add some steel. Very lightweight currently. I thought he looked very decent in the Welsh derby today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, GasDestroyer said: We desperately need a Korey Smith character in midfield to add some steel. Very lightweight currently. That’s what Joe Williams is supposed to bring, it can hardly be Holden’s fault that the guy has been injured all season!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: When LJ was sacked, Steve Lansdown told us we wanted a breath of fresh air in the club. We didn’t get one. We got a man who spent the most of his managerial career under a man who played complete dross. Said assistant is now serving up that same dross and it should come as no surprise. As I said on the match day thread, these performances deserve the sack, however, the results don’t. The false position warnings are now being realised. We’re atrocious to watch and the only way we seem to win a game is by nicking it - we’ve dominated a grand total of no games. I don’t advocate the sacking of Dean Holden, but my word needs to pick up the pace a little or we’ll be heading for mid table obscurity before we know it. I don’t blame Dean Holden, but I do blame Mark Ashton & Steve Lansdown. It doesn’t look like a good appointment to me, not at all. Things were so promising when we were promised that “breath of fresh air”. Sorry. The important thing is to remember who took six weeks to put Holden in the job in the first place if you are genuinely angry about him having the job..........and it is these same people who will pick the next Manager whenever that may be. Our performance issues (you can’t knock Holden for 30 points from 18 games) stem from the previous Manager plus the common denominator above him. If you blame Holden as partly responsible by association that’s a matter of opinion but the common denominator is there for all to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesleywalksoncider Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Well said @Fordy62. Let’s be honest as I said least week Holden is Johnson 1.1 I’ve seen nothing since Dean has been in charge to suggest that we are going to do anything this season other than finish mid table and play pretty negative to football to achieve that. We might nick the odd goal but were never going to take teams on and dominate them. I don’t expect us to play like Brazil every week but give me something to get excited about Dean, you promised us that Dean now go and deliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted December 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, GrahamC said: I didn’t want him, but think this is harsh. We currently have about 15 fit players who have ever played league football & are playing 3 games a week. Results are far more important than performances until some of those seemingly permanently injured players like Walsh & Williams finally make some sort of actual contribution. We were poor today & I thought his team selection was wrong before kick off, but overall I think he has done ok. Results are more important than performances sounds like an interesting debate actually (my god I sound like SOD). At least good performances fill you with hope. But when you’re overachieving in terms of results and the performances are shit, you know you’re going to come crashing back down to earth sooner rather than later. Like I said, I don’t blame Holden, not at all. But was he the best candidate? Was he bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey54 Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Just waiting for the Eddie Howe thread to start. It's beginning to feel a lot like Johnson!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted December 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 minute ago, harvey54 said: Just waiting for the Eddie Howe thread to start. It's beginning to feel a lot like Johnson!! Paul Cook! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, phantom said: One consolation we didn't spend a fortune travelling to watch it live We'll never know how he would have done here. Forest has been a train wreck from top to bottom for years Agree. The people trotting this out as some kind of excuse/deflection for the football we are currently witnessing is getting very boring already, but I’m sure itll continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Anyone who thinks Eddie Howe would want to take charge of our squad with our Board above them........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Holden should get at least two seasons to show some signs of progress. So many games in the last few months and so many injuries that it is hard to make a true judgement of his ability. I doubt we turn in today's performance with a weeks break instead of only 24 hours before travelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 The humility, the humanity, the (h)interviews - all are a breath of fresh air. The football - stale, turgid, in need of ventilation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 To some extent I think it's down to the usual terrible PR. Talking about a breath of fresh air then appointing the assistant who was brought to the club by the man he replaced was not a good start. Ashton then being backed into a corner trying to justify the appointment, coming up with the "good human" nonsense then blurting out that Dean has no target for the season. Dean then follows with his "man of the people" PR, "spontaneously" turning up at the pub, claiming we were going to play on the front foot and be aggressive then doing almost the exact opposite, glossing over poor performances with a stock "not up to the standard we expect" so not quite the blunt northener he claims to be and so on. Learn to under promise and over deliver would be my suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tipps69 said: That’s what Joe Williams is supposed to bring, it can hardly be Holden’s fault that the guy has been injured all season!?! I don’t blame Dean Holden as he has largely inherited a situation left by Johnson - who I do blame.. Holden will get some time, but the warning signs are there for all to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, GasDestroyer said: We desperately need a Korey Smith character in midfield to add some steel. Very lightweight currently. But we let him, and Morrell, go to bring in Brunt, who is so much better. Btw I thought Korey was outstanding for Swansea today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, Leveller said: Meanwhile in Nottingham, the "Hughton out" chat has started. What, despite being in Tier 3 with no crowds? I am a little worried by our performances. We've done quite well results wise, but the vulnerabilities in our performances are clear to see. I really want Holden to succeed, but I have always had this nagging doubt that he's naive and we will eventually run into really poor form. I liked the way he recruited for a 3-5-2, but I don't think we've got a strong enough squad relative to the division to only have 1 formation we're good at. I feel we need a plan B and usually that involves wide players. At present, we've only got O'Dowda who's naturally wide player. Brunt of course was a few seasons ago.. but then we've got Wells filling in and Semenyo who's learning the role and is very raw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Anyone who thinks Eddie Howe would want to take charge of our squad with our Board above them........... He would want big money to spend, as he did at Bournemouth, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, GasDestroyer said: We desperately need a Korey Smith character in midfield to add some steel. Very lightweight currently. I watched about half of his game today, looked class, winning tackles, not giving the ball away and joining in with attacks What we are missing consistently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 Just now, chinapig said: But we let him, and Morrell, go to bring in Brunt, who is so much better. Btw I thought Korey was outstanding for Swansea today. Korey was a great player for City. I stated at the time, but he should never have been sold without a proven replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway Red Posted December 12, 2020 Report Share Posted December 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, GrahamC said: I didn’t want him, but think this is harsh. We currently have about 15 fit players who have ever played league football & are playing 3 games a week. Results are far more important than performances until some of those seemingly permanently injured players like Walsh & Williams finally make some sort of actual contribution. We were poor today & I thought his team selection was wrong before kick off, but overall I think he has done ok. Results are only better than performances on the odd occasion, our performances have been dire, depressing dog shyte even when we nick a win, how I would love to win a shot count 22-4, there are no positives in losing to Brum with their 3 wins in 30 or Rotherham with their 2 wins in 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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