Abraham Romanovich Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 Just found this little gem which sheds some light on our transfer policy and not in a good way , in a nutshell NE was sold for far less than his worth. "The player that was sold for the largest amount lower than their Intrinsic Value to their previous club, was Niclas Eliasson from Bristol City to Nîmes Olympique. The Intrinsic Value he held for Bristol City was £5.37m meaning that Bristol City sold Eliasson at an undervalue of £2.67m when they allowed him to depart to join Nîmes Olympique for £2.7m. At the age of 24, Eliasson is still a considerable time away from his prime playing years (27-29 years old). As Eliasson is yet to reach peak performing years, it is believed that a player’s performance will (typically) continue sustainable growth through to their prime. This suggests that Bristol City should have negotiated to increase the transfer fee from Nîmes Olympique to better reflect the loss of a player who’s value would continue to increase as he matures. In addition, his contribution to Bristol City winning football matches was at a much higher objective performance level than was reflected in the transfer fee paid." https://carteret.group/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Carteret-Analytics-EFL-Transfer-Window-Summer-2020-Research-Paper.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Abraham Romanovich said: Just found this little gem which sheds some light on our transfer policy and not in a good way , in a nutshell NE was sold for far less than his worth. "The player that was sold for the largest amount lower than their Intrinsic Value to their previous club, was Niclas Eliasson from Bristol City to Nîmes Olympique. The Intrinsic Value he held for Bristol City was £5.37m meaning that Bristol City sold Eliasson at an undervalue of £2.67m when they allowed him to depart to join Nîmes Olympique for £2.7m. At the age of 24, Eliasson is still a considerable time away from his prime playing years (27-29 years old). As Eliasson is yet to reach peak performing years, it is believed that a player’s performance will (typically) continue sustainable growth through to their prime. This suggests that Bristol City should have negotiated to increase the transfer fee from Nîmes Olympique to better reflect the loss of a player who’s value would continue to increase as he matures. In addition, his contribution to Bristol City winning football matches was at a much higher objective performance level than was reflected in the transfer fee paid." https://carteret.group/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Carteret-Analytics-EFL-Transfer-Window-Summer-2020-Research-Paper.pdf Ashton OUT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Red Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 To be fair, the guy has played 7 of the 9 games for his new club since moving, and they've lost all 7. The 2 games he hasn't featured in since moving to the club they've won both. In this time he has 0 goals and 0 assists, while starting almost all those games. Hardly sounds like he's set the world alight so maybe just shy of 3 mill wasn't so bad after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 I’d research how it is going for him in Nimes before making comments like this.. Started their first 4 games, they lost all of them, he was dropped, they then won for the only time since he has been there. Next game he came on at HT (1-0 down) lost 3-0, started next game (lost 2-0), started the most recent game, taken off when they were 3-0 down. Not going swimmingly, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, Abraham Romanovich said: Just found this little gem which sheds some light on our transfer policy and not in a good way , in a nutshell NE was sold for far less than his worth. "The player that was sold for the largest amount lower than their Intrinsic Value to their previous club, was Niclas Eliasson from Bristol City to Nîmes Olympique. The Intrinsic Value he held for Bristol City was £5.37m meaning that Bristol City sold Eliasson at an undervalue of £2.67m when they allowed him to depart to join Nîmes Olympique for £2.7m. At the age of 24, Eliasson is still a considerable time away from his prime playing years (27-29 years old). As Eliasson is yet to reach peak performing years, it is believed that a player’s performance will (typically) continue sustainable growth through to their prime. This suggests that Bristol City should have negotiated to increase the transfer fee from Nîmes Olympique to better reflect the loss of a player who’s value would continue to increase as he matures. In addition, his contribution to Bristol City winning football matches was at a much higher objective performance level than was reflected in the transfer fee paid." https://carteret.group/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Carteret-Analytics-EFL-Transfer-Window-Summer-2020-Research-Paper.pdf Why is it damming, we had no choice, No one would match our valuation He refused to sign a new contract If we didn't accept that offer he could of signed a pre contract in 2 weeks time and leave for nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexhill reds Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 Think the club have been burned a couple of times through players (or their agents) who have expressed an interest to leave running contracts down. So I suspect Elliasson is an example of the club looking to minimise their losses. We could have held out, equally he could have run his contract down. He's gone now, and clearly setting the world alight for his new team. Time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 Or alternatively we sold him for what the market offered, unless we ignored higher bids from elsewhere that nobody else knows about, which would be a bit daft. Or we force him to stay and got zip when his contract was up. We’re all disappointed at the mo but this isn’t the issue, especially when you look at money we have brought in from other transfers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 Intrinsic value? Like every footballer goes for their true worth when transferred. It's just not that simple, there are other factors that contribute to that selling price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 Nobody was paying £5m for Eliasson last summer, not a chance. I get that it's open season on everything at the moment, but this is weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 What makes an opinion from someone you know nothing about a "gem"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 Anything which contains the statement: "An integral part of the analysis is to calculate a Carteret Rating for every football player, which rates and values a player’s contribution to his team winning football matches. It is incredibly accurate at predicting a player’s capabilities." Is marketing puff and all 'Round Objects'. For example look at the sales for Birmingham City netting a gain of £16 million rated as average business and Stoke City netting a gain of £4.5 million rated as good business. You could also add Huddersfield, Nottingham Forest, Swansea and Watford to the comparison. Looks like they haven't read their own report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterRedthanBlue Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 Eliasson's contract is running down. He can sign an agreement with foreign teams and leave on a free. Covid has massively impacted on the market (well apart from the Premier league). The money we got for him imo was a very good. Like I said covid has had a massive impact of football finances to even get close to £3m is a good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abraham Romanovich Posted December 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said: What makes an opinion from someone you know nothing about a "gem"? Blimey if having knowledge was the sole criteria for posting on OTIB there'd be about 1 post a week. I found the article by chance and thought it was enlightening what an independent party thought on the transfer Perhaps should have added a disclaimer "The views and opinions expressed in this article are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any agency of Bristol City" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 All of the above plus, of course, we probably have a decent sell-on clause (retained an investment, as MA likes to phrase it) should he develop into a much more coveted player. It was good business then and it's good business now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassomylord Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Berkshire Red said: To be fair, the guy has played 7 of the 9 games for his new club since moving, and they've lost all 7. The 2 games he hasn't featured in since moving to the club they've won both. In this time he has 0 goals and 0 assists, while starting almost all those games. Hardly sounds like he's set the world alight so maybe just shy of 3 mill wasn't so bad after all Not interested what he does for them.....more for concerned about what he might have done for us. Let's be honest he would have walked into this team and we miss him badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Bassomylord said: Not interested what he does for them.....more for concerned about what he might have done for us. Let's be honest he would have walked into this team and we miss him badly. He wanted to leave and wasn't going to sign a new deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Berkshire Red said: To be fair, the guy has played 7 of the 9 games for his new club since moving, and they've lost all 7. The 2 games he hasn't featured in since moving to the club they've won both. In this time he has 0 goals and 0 assists, while starting almost all those games. Hardly sounds like he's set the world alight so maybe just shy of 3 mill wasn't so bad after all Maybe LJ knew how to use him and get the best out of him after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Coles Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 WATCHED HIM PLAY ON THE TELE THE OTHER WEEK HE LOOOKED LIKE HE IS STUGGLING IN A POOR SIDE AT THE TIME. NIMMES LOOKED LIKE A LOWER 2nd, DIVISION TEAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 32 minutes ago, Abraham Romanovich said: Blimey if having knowledge was the sole criteria for posting on OTIB there'd be about 1 post a week. I found the article by chance and thought it was enlightening what an independent party thought on the transfer Perhaps should have added a disclaimer "The views and opinions expressed in this article are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any agency of Bristol City" Maybe you shouldn't have put 'damning comments' in the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 Of course, there was extenuating circumstances. Had a year left on his contract, probabaly wasnt going to sign and had to cash in.... at at time when ALL clubs were massive hit by the pandemic... But yeah, just ignore that and knock the club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Berkshire Red said: To be fair, the guy has played 7 of the 9 games for his new club since moving, and they've lost all 7. The 2 games he hasn't featured in since moving to the club they've won both. In this time he has 0 goals and 0 assists, while starting almost all those games. Hardly sounds like he's set the world alight so maybe just shy of 3 mill wasn't so bad after all TBF, we know his ability and he is playing in a poor side. Bit early to judge yet. We know from Ashton Gate that foreign players can often have difficulty settling overseas, and maybe Niclas is having more problems in France (not sure he speaks the lingo, most Swedes won't) than he did over here. Off-field problems can affect the on-field and moving somewhere new amid a lockdown, with little opportunity to socialise and get to know team mates away from training, can't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Bassomylord said: Not interested what he does for them.....more for concerned about what he might have done for us. Let's be honest he would have walked into this team and we miss him badly. We do miss him, don't we - especially since we've started to play in a 4-3-3, a formation perfect for Eliasson but which we never bothered to use while he was actually here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Peter Coles said: WATCHED HIM PLAY ON THE TELE THE OTHER WEEK HE LOOOKED LIKE HE IS STUGGLING IN A POOR SIDE AT THE TIME. NIMMES LOOKED LIKE A LOWER 2nd, DIVISION TEAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 Sorry I can't agree here I think it is telling that no club in UK came in for him. He is a luxury in our style of football that few teams can carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassomylord Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Riaz said: Of course, there was extenuating circumstances. Had a year left on his contract, probabaly wasnt going to sign and had to cash in.... at at time when ALL clubs were massive hit by the pandemic... But yeah, just ignore that and knock the club! They failed to sign a replacement. They deserve knocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Abraham Romanovich said: Just found this little gem which sheds some light on our transfer policy and not in a good way , in a nutshell NE was sold for far less than his worth. "The player that was sold for the largest amount lower than their Intrinsic Value to their previous club, was Niclas Eliasson from Bristol City to Nîmes Olympique. The Intrinsic Value he held for Bristol City was £5.37m meaning that Bristol City sold Eliasson at an undervalue of £2.67m when they allowed him to depart to join Nîmes Olympique for £2.7m. At the age of 24, Eliasson is still a considerable time away from his prime playing years (27-29 years old). As Eliasson is yet to reach peak performing years, it is believed that a player’s performance will (typically) continue sustainable growth through to their prime. This suggests that Bristol City should have negotiated to increase the transfer fee from Nîmes Olympique to better reflect the loss of a player who’s value would continue to increase as he matures. In addition, his contribution to Bristol City winning football matches was at a much higher objective performance level than was reflected in the transfer fee paid." https://carteret.group/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Carteret-Analytics-EFL-Transfer-Window-Summer-2020-Research-Paper.pdf Not sure what the Intrinsic value is....assume “market value”? 4 hours ago, Monkeh said: Why is it damming, we had no choice, No one would match our valuation He refused to sign a new contract If we didn't accept that offer he could of signed a pre contract in 2 weeks time and leave for nothing Yep....and Brexit too....might not meet work permit requirements from 1st Jsn either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, Bassomylord said: They failed to sign a replacement. They deserve knocking. One of the reasons he left, was because he didnt fit into a 3-5-2. So didnt need replacing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galley is our king Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 5 hours ago, old_eastender said: Ashton OUT! Wow! 2.7m for someone who refused to sign a contract and could have left for nothing? Brilliant work, Ashton in!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulcityfan Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 I suggest anyone interested in this (including Steve Lansdown) should read 'Broken Dreams - Vanity, greed and the souring of British football' by Tom Bower. You will then realise Mark Ashton is having it large, very large Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 Funny how the timing of articles like this always seem pop up when OTIB is having a tantrum. Some people look for any reason to start slating the club after we lose a game. Never see stuff like this after we win. Your comments make no mention or even acknowledge the potential impact of his contract running out, his agent impacting the situation, him not wanting to re-sign or even the financial situation of the club potentially impacted by COVID and having to balance the books. Still, any reason to post a story with a negative perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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