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Niclas Eliasson Sale - Damning Comments


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Just found this little gem which sheds some light on our transfer policy and not in a good way , in a nutshell NE was sold for far less than his worth.

"The player that was sold for the largest amount lower than their Intrinsic Value to their previous club, was Niclas Eliasson from Bristol City to Nîmes Olympique. The Intrinsic Value he held for Bristol City was £5.37m meaning that Bristol City sold Eliasson at an undervalue of £2.67m when they allowed him to depart to join Nîmes Olympique for £2.7m. At the age of 24, Eliasson is still a considerable time away from his prime playing years (27-29 years old). As Eliasson is yet to reach peak performing years, it is believed that a player’s performance will (typically) continue sustainable growth through to their prime. This suggests that Bristol City should have negotiated to increase the transfer fee from Nîmes Olympique to better reflect the loss of a player who’s value would continue to increase as he matures. In addition, his contribution to Bristol City winning football matches was at a much higher objective performance level than was reflected in the transfer fee paid."

https://carteret.group/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Carteret-Analytics-EFL-Transfer-Window-Summer-2020-Research-Paper.pdf

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8 minutes ago, Abraham Romanovich said:

Just found this little gem which sheds some light on our transfer policy and not in a good way , in a nutshell NE was sold for far less than his worth.

"The player that was sold for the largest amount lower than their Intrinsic Value to their previous club, was Niclas Eliasson from Bristol City to Nîmes Olympique. The Intrinsic Value he held for Bristol City was £5.37m meaning that Bristol City sold Eliasson at an undervalue of £2.67m when they allowed him to depart to join Nîmes Olympique for £2.7m. At the age of 24, Eliasson is still a considerable time away from his prime playing years (27-29 years old). As Eliasson is yet to reach peak performing years, it is believed that a player’s performance will (typically) continue sustainable growth through to their prime. This suggests that Bristol City should have negotiated to increase the transfer fee from Nîmes Olympique to better reflect the loss of a player who’s value would continue to increase as he matures. In addition, his contribution to Bristol City winning football matches was at a much higher objective performance level than was reflected in the transfer fee paid."

https://carteret.group/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Carteret-Analytics-EFL-Transfer-Window-Summer-2020-Research-Paper.pdf

Ashton OUT!

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To be fair, the guy has played 7 of the 9 games for his new club since moving, and they've lost all 7. The 2 games he hasn't featured in since moving to the club they've won both.

 

In this time he has 0 goals and 0 assists, while starting almost all those games. Hardly sounds like he's set the world alight so maybe just shy of 3 mill wasn't so bad after all

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I’d research how it is going for him in Nimes before making comments like this..

Started their first 4 games, they lost all of them, he was dropped, they then won for the only time since he has been there.

Next game he came on at HT (1-0 down) lost 3-0, started next game (lost 2-0), started the most recent game, taken off when they were 3-0 down.

Not going swimmingly, is it?

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14 minutes ago, Abraham Romanovich said:

Just found this little gem which sheds some light on our transfer policy and not in a good way , in a nutshell NE was sold for far less than his worth.

"The player that was sold for the largest amount lower than their Intrinsic Value to their previous club, was Niclas Eliasson from Bristol City to Nîmes Olympique. The Intrinsic Value he held for Bristol City was £5.37m meaning that Bristol City sold Eliasson at an undervalue of £2.67m when they allowed him to depart to join Nîmes Olympique for £2.7m. At the age of 24, Eliasson is still a considerable time away from his prime playing years (27-29 years old). As Eliasson is yet to reach peak performing years, it is believed that a player’s performance will (typically) continue sustainable growth through to their prime. This suggests that Bristol City should have negotiated to increase the transfer fee from Nîmes Olympique to better reflect the loss of a player who’s value would continue to increase as he matures. In addition, his contribution to Bristol City winning football matches was at a much higher objective performance level than was reflected in the transfer fee paid."

https://carteret.group/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Carteret-Analytics-EFL-Transfer-Window-Summer-2020-Research-Paper.pdf

Why is it damming, we had no choice,

No one would match our valuation

He refused to sign a new contract

If we didn't accept that offer he could of signed a pre contract in 2 weeks time and leave for nothing

 

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Think the club have been burned a couple of times through players (or their agents) who have expressed an interest to leave running contracts down. So I suspect Elliasson is an example of the club looking to minimise their losses. We could have held out, equally he could have run his contract down.

He's gone now, and clearly setting the world alight for his new team. Time to move on.

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Or alternatively we sold him for what the market offered, unless we ignored higher bids from elsewhere that nobody else knows about, which would be a bit daft. Or we force him to stay and got zip when his contract was up.

We’re all disappointed at the mo but this isn’t the issue, especially when you look at money we have brought in from other transfers.

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Anything which contains the statement:

"An integral part of the analysis is to calculate a Carteret Rating for every football player, which rates and values a player’s contribution to his team winning football matches. It is incredibly accurate at
predicting a player’s capabilities."

Is marketing puff and all 'Round Objects'.

For example look at the sales for Birmingham City netting a gain of £16 million rated as average business and Stoke City netting a gain of £4.5 million rated as good business.  You could also add Huddersfield, Nottingham Forest, Swansea and Watford to the comparison.  Looks like they haven't read their own report.

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Eliasson's contract is running down. He can sign an agreement with foreign teams and leave on a free. Covid has massively impacted on the market (well apart from the Premier league). 

The money we got for him imo was a very good. Like I said covid has had a massive impact of football finances to even get close to £3m is a good deal. 

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9 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said:

What makes an opinion from someone you know nothing about a "gem"?

Blimey if having knowledge  was the sole criteria for posting on OTIB there'd be about 1 post a week.

I found the article by chance and thought it was enlightening what an independent party thought on the transfer

Perhaps should have added a disclaimer

"The views and opinions expressed in this article are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any agency of Bristol City"

  

 

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All of the above plus, of course, we probably have a decent sell-on clause (retained an investment, as MA likes to phrase it) should he develop into a much more coveted player. 

It was good business then and it's good business now 

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1 hour ago, Berkshire Red said:

To be fair, the guy has played 7 of the 9 games for his new club since moving, and they've lost all 7. The 2 games he hasn't featured in since moving to the club they've won both.

 

In this time he has 0 goals and 0 assists, while starting almost all those games. Hardly sounds like he's set the world alight so maybe just shy of 3 mill wasn't so bad after all

Not interested what he does for them.....more for concerned about what he might have done for us. Let's be honest he would have walked into this team and we miss him badly.

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1 hour ago, Berkshire Red said:

To be fair, the guy has played 7 of the 9 games for his new club since moving, and they've lost all 7. The 2 games he hasn't featured in since moving to the club they've won both.

 

In this time he has 0 goals and 0 assists, while starting almost all those games. Hardly sounds like he's set the world alight so maybe just shy of 3 mill wasn't so bad after all

Maybe LJ knew how to use him and get the best out of him after all 🧐

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32 minutes ago, Abraham Romanovich said:

Blimey if having knowledge  was the sole criteria for posting on OTIB there'd be about 1 post a week.

I found the article by chance and thought it was enlightening what an independent party thought on the transfer

Perhaps should have added a disclaimer

"The views and opinions expressed in this article are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any agency of Bristol City"

  

 

Maybe you shouldn't have put 'damning comments' in the title.

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Of course, there was extenuating circumstances.

Had a year left on his contract, probabaly wasnt going to sign and had to cash in.... at at time when ALL clubs were massive hit by the pandemic...

But yeah, just ignore that and knock the club!

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1 hour ago, Berkshire Red said:

To be fair, the guy has played 7 of the 9 games for his new club since moving, and they've lost all 7. The 2 games he hasn't featured in since moving to the club they've won both.

 

In this time he has 0 goals and 0 assists, while starting almost all those games. Hardly sounds like he's set the world alight so maybe just shy of 3 mill wasn't so bad after all

 

TBF, we know his ability and he is playing in a poor side. Bit early to judge yet.

We know from Ashton Gate that foreign players can often have difficulty settling overseas, and maybe Niclas is having more problems in France (not sure he speaks the lingo, most Swedes won't) than he did over here. Off-field problems can affect the on-field and moving somewhere new amid a lockdown, with little opportunity to  socialise and get to know team mates away from training, can't help.

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1 hour ago, Bassomylord said:

Not interested what he does for them.....more for concerned about what he might have done for us. Let's be honest he would have walked into this team and we miss him badly.

We do miss him, don't we - especially since we've started to play in a 4-3-3, a formation perfect for Eliasson but which we never bothered to use while he was actually here :facepalm:  

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3 hours ago, Riaz said:

Of course, there was extenuating circumstances.

Had a year left on his contract, probabaly wasnt going to sign and had to cash in.... at at time when ALL clubs were massive hit by the pandemic...

But yeah, just ignore that and knock the club!

They failed to sign a replacement. They deserve knocking.

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5 hours ago, Abraham Romanovich said:

Just found this little gem which sheds some light on our transfer policy and not in a good way , in a nutshell NE was sold for far less than his worth.

"The player that was sold for the largest amount lower than their Intrinsic Value to their previous club, was Niclas Eliasson from Bristol City to Nîmes Olympique. The Intrinsic Value he held for Bristol City was £5.37m meaning that Bristol City sold Eliasson at an undervalue of £2.67m when they allowed him to depart to join Nîmes Olympique for £2.7m. At the age of 24, Eliasson is still a considerable time away from his prime playing years (27-29 years old). As Eliasson is yet to reach peak performing years, it is believed that a player’s performance will (typically) continue sustainable growth through to their prime. This suggests that Bristol City should have negotiated to increase the transfer fee from Nîmes Olympique to better reflect the loss of a player who’s value would continue to increase as he matures. In addition, his contribution to Bristol City winning football matches was at a much higher objective performance level than was reflected in the transfer fee paid."

https://carteret.group/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Carteret-Analytics-EFL-Transfer-Window-Summer-2020-Research-Paper.pdf

Not sure what the Intrinsic value is....assume “market value”?

4 hours ago, Monkeh said:

Why is it damming, we had no choice,

No one would match our valuation

He refused to sign a new contract

If we didn't accept that offer he could of signed a pre contract in 2 weeks time and leave for nothing

 

Yep....and Brexit too....might not meet work permit requirements from 1st Jsn either.

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Funny how the timing of articles like this always seem pop up when OTIB is having a tantrum. Some people look for any reason to start slating the club after we lose a game. 

Never see stuff like this after we win. 

Your comments make no mention or even acknowledge the potential impact of his contract running out, his agent impacting the situation, him not wanting to re-sign or even the financial situation of the club potentially impacted by COVID and having to balance the books. Still, any reason to post a story with a negative perspective.

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