Prinny Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55352368 Firstly let's name it the "Nathan Baker" rule. "To avoid potential abuse of the rule, opposition teams will also be able to make a change at the same time." I think this is ok, but I'd like it to go further. I'm sick of players faking head injuries to stop the game. If you go down, clutching your head, sub them for their own safety. Let's not risk it, and let's get rid of cheats at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Prinny said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55352368 Firstly let's name it the "Nathan Baker" rule. "To avoid potential abuse of the rule, opposition teams will also be able to make a change at the same time." I think this is ok, but I'd like it to go further. I'm sick of players faking head injuries to stop the game. If you go down, clutching your head, sub them for their own safety. Let's not risk it, and let's get rid of cheats at the same time. Agree. If they go down clutching their heads they go off for the rest of the match. Might stop some timewasting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 I'd go a step further and introduce independent doctors at games to assess head injuries, we'd all like to think teams wouldn't cheat the system if they need to make an extra sub but they've used theirs up but look at Harlequins with bloodgate for example, ask recently retired GP's or something to take it up and I'm sure you'd get a lot doing it to be paid to work a few hours twice a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Prinny said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55352368 Firstly let's name it the "Nathan Baker" rule. "To avoid potential abuse of the rule, opposition teams will also be able to make a change at the same time." I think this is ok, but I'd like it to go further. I'm sick of players faking head injuries to stop the game. If you go down, clutching your head, sub them for their own safety. Let's not risk it, and let's get rid of cheats at the same time. Thank god it’s coming in after Preston!!! Seriously though, this rule needs a serious thought process to make sure it’s not abused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laner Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Prinny said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55352368 Firstly let's name it the "Nathan Baker" rule. "To avoid potential abuse of the rule, opposition teams will also be able to make a change at the same time." I think this is ok, but I'd like it to go further. I'm sick of players faking head injuries to stop the game. If you go down, clutching your head, sub them for their own safety. Let's not risk it, and let's get rid of cheats at the same time. Doesn't that rule actually open it up for abuse? The opposition team could bring a player on to temporarily take advantage of the other side's makeshift changes e.g. LB goes off, bring on a quick attacking player to overload that side of the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 2 hours ago, marmite said: Agree. If they go down clutching their heads they go off for the rest of the match. Might stop some timewasting. My only concern is if a player does have concussion but doesn't want come off they won't let on and might cause themselves more trouble like Orr could have done in the payoff final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never to the dark side Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 For those NOT old enought to remember. In the early days of subs A Sub was brought in for an "injured player" and it worked fine Then one manager wanted to get a player off for "tactital reasons" and claimed the player was injured. The authorities heard about this "substitution" and the refs said we ain't doctors to verify an injury So authorities then said a sub can be used for ANY purpose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: Thank god it’s coming in after Preston!!! Seriously though, this rule needs a serious thought process to make sure it’s not abused. Warnock will use it to his advantage, make no mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 id say any player going off using this rule has to have a 6 match mandatory break from matches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 Sooner or later players won’t be able to head the ball from goalkeepers kicks as it will be proved to cause too much damage long term. The game could quite a bit different very soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 Thought we’d introduced subs with concussion a while ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 next it will be boxers not allowed to hit each other. its good these things are brought to light but why cant they leave the games alone and just say if you dont want to risk it,dont play it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 12 hours ago, Pezo said: My only concern is if a player does have concussion but doesn't want come off they won't let on and might cause themselves more trouble like Orr could have done in the payoff final. If someone's concussed, I'd expect the medical time to be able to identify it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 10 hours ago, redsquirrel said: id say any player going off using this rule has to have a 6 match mandatory break from matches There's already a full concussion protocol set out by the FA. Why 6 matches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 17 hours ago, Davefevs said: Thank god it’s coming in after Preston!!! Seriously though, this rule needs a serious thought process to make sure it’s not abused. If a player comes off because of a "head injury/concussion" then said player should then become unavailable for selection again for at least 2 games, and the club have to provide evidence that they have been thoroughly checked over by a qualified doctor/specialist. That would prevent the rule from being abused just to get an extra sub. Otherwise certain clubs will suddenly get a large increase in "concussion subs". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 13 hours ago, The Horse With No Name said: Warnock will use it to his advantage, make no mistake As will every manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 Someone will probably try this:- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodgate Why don 't they just appoint an independent doctor who decides if a head injury assessment is needed and then carries it out themselves. Trouble is with any sport that the team's own physio actually does the assessment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 2 hours ago, MarcusX said: There's already a full concussion protocol set out by the FA. Why 6 matches? Is that the one closely followed by Arsenal the other week when a clearly concussed David Luiz carried on playing because he insisted he was okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 6 hours ago, The Bard said: Is that the one closely followed by Arsenal the other week when a clearly concussed David Luiz carried on playing because he insisted he was okay? Well it applies to players confirmed with concussion. I didn’t say that the actual diagnosis part on the pitch couldn’t or shouldn’t be better. you’re right they should have took him off, but that’s Arsenals fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 4 hours ago, MarcusX said: Well it applies to players confirmed with concussion. I didn’t say that the actual diagnosis part on the pitch couldn’t or shouldn’t be better. you’re right they should have took him off, but that’s Arsenals fault Therein lies the problem. The assumption should be that they're concussed until it's shown they aren't. It seems to work on the opposite assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted December 19, 2020 Report Share Posted December 19, 2020 6 hours ago, The Bard said: Therein lies the problem. The assumption should be that they're concussed until it's shown they aren't. It seems to work on the opposite assumption. I don't know about assumption, but yes maybe err on the side of caution. Or independant doctor or something. My point was just about the 6 match mandatory ban. Bit excessive IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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