Prinny Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 "We need to improve on throw-ins too and people might think why, but the swings of attack you can get from a well-executed attacking throw-in or if you don’t defend properly from one and the opposition can get out and the opposition can get out and have a chance at your goal." - Dean Holden No, nobody thinks why Dean. This has been a pet peeve of mine for EVER with City. Maybe the long throws from Hörður were good but we've never been active on normal throw ins. One of the reasons Adam Nagy was interesting to me when he signed was that he actually moved about when near a throw in! So finally finally, there's an acknowledgement of the problem and a positive sign that we're going to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 Should be a football basic, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, Prinny said: "We need to improve on throw-ins too and people might think why, but the swings of attack you can get from a well-executed attacking throw-in or if you don’t defend properly from one and the opposition can get out and the opposition can get out and have a chance at your goal." - Dean Holden No, nobody thinks why Dean. This has been a pet peeve of mine for EVER with City. Maybe the long throws from Hörður were good but we've never been active on normal throw ins. One of the reasons Adam Nagy was interesting to me when he signed was that he actually moved about when near a throw in! So finally finally, there's an acknowledgement of the problem and a positive sign that we're going to fix it. Have we EVER scored from a quick attacking throw in. It peeves with me too, along with the rest of our negative play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 You can't deny it's been exciting at times: I love the way Dan Bentley gets touches from our more successful attacking throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 Yep. Not just our throws either. I was well known for my rallying call on the football pitches across the Midlands for screaming at my team mates ‘this is as good as ours’ when the opposition were in their defensive third with a throw-in. If you press on their throw-in that area, it’s a lottery who wins the ball. If you win it, invariably they’re out of position and you’re often in with a decent chance in their box. Cant believe that professional teams don’t do this regularly. Easy wins and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 Back since my days as an ST holder, late 90s, early 00s, throw ins have always been dreadful. You can pretty much guarantee that we’ll lose the ball two touches after we have a throw in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 Like everything about us...no one moves to receive the ball. And how many times have we seen the ball thrown sideways putting us immediately under pressure. Or the throw in gets thrown so it bounces up to chest height? This is basic school boy stuff... embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Island Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 after weve perfected our throw in routine could we possibly work on our corners they are piss poor far from being a threat more often than not we find ourselfs under threat beating the man on the front post would be a good start once weve got that sorted could we do a bit of work on our freekicks they are seldom of any kind of threat one of those whipped in dangerous looking ones would be nice you know the one that every team does from all the divisions every team seems to have a player capeable of this except our gang it seems to of passed us by then if we got time how about a bit of work on ants shooting just to get one on target would be good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Prinny said: "We need to improve on throw-ins too and people might think why, but the swings of attack you can get from a well-executed attacking throw-in or if you don’t defend properly from one and the opposition can get out and the opposition can get out and have a chance at your goal." - Dean Holden No, nobody thinks why Dean. This has been a pet peeve of mine for EVER with City. Maybe the long throws from Hörður were good but we've never been active on normal throw ins. One of the reasons Adam Nagy was interesting to me when he signed was that he actually moved about when near a throw in! So finally finally, there's an acknowledgement of the problem and a positive sign that we're going to fix it. So yet another thing that you thought of before anyone else! Congratulations, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 55 minutes ago, spudski said: Like everything about us...no one moves to receive the ball. And how many times have we seen the ball thrown sideways putting us immediately under pressure. Or the throw in gets thrown so it bounces up to chest height? This is basic school boy stuff... embarrassing. Agreed. I often think possession stats should have three fields: our possession, their possession, and time spend by Jack Hunt holding the ball looking for someone to throw the damn thing to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 Im sure Liverpool hired a throw ins coach a few seasons ago?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 Well hopefully we will be working on “ feet & back” rather than b#llocks or neck & back. Now if we could also work on angles of sight & movement I will be a happy man! COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinny Posted December 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, nickolas said: Im sure Liverpool hired a throw ins coach a few seasons ago?? yup sure did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 7 minutes ago, nickolas said: Im sure Liverpool hired a throw ins coach a few seasons ago?? And Brentford amongst a fair number have a specialised set piece coach Our set pieces are totally unimaginative to put it politely and executed appallingly and have been for most of my life Can anyone remember a free kick or corner routine with a bit of imagination , that’s been worked on , in recent seasons ? We are missing a trick and with a lack of goals something we should be trying to maximise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: And Brentford amongst a fair number have a specialised set piece coach Our set pieces are totally unimaginative to put it politely and executed appallingly and have been for most of my life Can anyone remember a free kick or corner routine with a bit of imagination , that’s been worked on , in recent seasons ? We are missing a trick and with a lack of goals something we should be trying to maximise In fairness I think we saw some new throw in and corner routines earlier this season. Our ball retention from throw-ins improved as a result. From corners we had that one where 4 players stand on the near corner of the penalty area and all make different runs. However, both are now rarities. The throw-in, could be a really simple explanation. When Paterson and Weimann were working runs and blocks for Martin and Wells to receive, the other midfielders weren’t paying attention....and they don’t know the drill. If that is the cause that’s very poor. But it seems more than a coincidence to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 32 minutes ago, Banjo Island said: after weve perfected our throw in routine could we possibly work on our corners they are piss poor far from being a threat more often than not we find ourselfs under threat beating the man on the front post would be a good start once weve got that sorted could we do a bit of work on our freekicks they are seldom of any kind of threat one of those whipped in dangerous looking ones would be nice you know the one that every team does from all the divisions every team seems to have a player capeable of this except our gang it seems to of passed us by then if we got time how about a bit of work on ants shooting just to get one on target would be good I think I agree but I'm out of breath! Punctuation please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: In fairness I think we saw some new throw in and corner routines earlier this season. Our ball retention from throw-ins improved as a result. From corners we had that one where 4 players stand on the near corner of the penalty area and all make different runs. However, both are now rarities. The throw-in, could be a really simple explanation. When Paterson and Weimann were working runs and blocks for Martin and Wells to receive, the other midfielders weren’t paying attention....and they don’t know the drill. If that is the cause that’s very poor. But it seems more than a coincidence to me. Blimey Dave - that’s hardly revolutionary Football is it - I bet you did things like that as an absolute basic when you were playing With every side , at different levels , I was involved with , we had a ‘surprise’ free kick , even if it was only one we could execute well It doesn’t help that with the personnel we have , we offer virtually zero threat from a standard corner or free kick ‘thrown in the box’ , which is another reason we should put some extra effort and imagination into them. And as for the second bit .....if true......well........ Did you watch Howe talking about their set pieces ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 This has been bugging me for some time. Many times this season we have thrown the ball across our back four carelessly and lost possession. We haven’t been punished it for yet but talk about shooting yourself in the foot! I’m not picking on the lad but I did notice Taylor Moore doing exactly this last Friday night v Preston. Tommy Rowe has been the culprit in previous matches. When we eventually had the throw in Preston’s half on Friday, it was painful to watch. It’s a little concerning that we’re struggling with something that’s schoolboy stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 Hooray. At last, like others on here this has bugged me for ages, all of our dead ball scenarios need lots of attention but our throw ins have been shocking for ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOODSY1111 Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Sheltons Army said: And Brentford amongst a fair number have a specialised set piece coach Our set pieces are totally unimaginative to put it politely and executed appallingly and have been for most of my life Can anyone remember a free kick or corner routine with a bit of imagination , that’s been worked on , in recent seasons ? We are missing a trick and with a lack of goals something we should be trying to maximise Last time I remember was under Gary Johnson, pretty sure we had a few successful set piece routines that came off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted December 23, 2020 Report Share Posted December 23, 2020 What we actually need is a return to the land of the Johnson giants. We seriously lack height and to have Flint, Hegeler, Pack, Djuric gave us such a dominance. We are still suffering from our ‘busy bees’ obsession too so, throw ins or not, we just cant dominate set piece routines. Dont even get me started with floaty corners!! Anyone else feel like when we had Flint etc, every corner there was almost an excitement we could score? Now its an inevitible chip to their gk, a COD duff to the first man, or within two kicks of the ball, Bentley has it at his feet!! Considering set pieces are a huge part of the Championship, we are dreadful at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted December 24, 2020 Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 10 hours ago, Banjo Island said: after weve perfected our throw in routine could we possibly work on our corners they are piss poor far from being a threat more often than not we find ourselfs under threat beating the man on the front post would be a good start once weve got that sorted could we do a bit of work on our freekicks they are seldom of any kind of threat one of those whipped in dangerous looking ones would be nice you know the one that every team does from all the divisions every team seems to have a player capeable of this except our gang it seems to of passed us by then if we got time how about a bit of work on ants shooting just to get one on target would be good To be fair, I am pretty sure we are starting to nail the restart though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted December 24, 2020 Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 It's almost like football has been dumbed down. Throw in understanding is ingrained and becomes natural in childhood. The fact professionals are having to work on it astounds me...that imo is a level of nuts. The fact Holden says fans may question why,also irritates the hell out of me. What does he take us for, uneducated wombats? If a Professional footballer can't do the basics on a pitch of a simple throw in...move, throw to feet or head, make sure it doesn't put you under pressure again, then I'm gob smacked. That is the simplest of drilled in coaching from youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted December 24, 2020 Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 Incredible discovery by Holden and the Coaching Team. It's obvious now why they're paid so well. You don't get awarded those coaching badges for nothing. Shame it took them so long to see what was staring them in the face from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red DNA Posted December 24, 2020 Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 11 hours ago, Sheltons Army said: Can anyone remember a free kick or corner routine with a bit of imagination , that’s been worked on , in recent seasons ? Not in recent seasons, but the free kick by Norman Hunter when he was pretending to tie his laces up and then sprang up to smash it in the net was very good and hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted December 24, 2020 Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 I'm sure something was said about working on throw-ins earlier in the season, in fact I thought we were a lot better in that early spell. Now it looks like we've regressed to LJ time. Mark the 2 nearest players to the ball and that's us stuffed. We have created some really threatening attacks from our throws in the last few games, luckily our defence have coped with most of them. Our movement has been shocking, it effects so many parts of our game, I hope this latest mini break they work on making space, or throw-ins, or shooting, or passing, or corners.... well everything. They've had a week, should be plenty of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abraham Romanovich Posted December 24, 2020 Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 30 minutes ago, spudski said: The fact Holden says fans may question why,also irritates the hell out of me. What does he take us for, uneducated wombats? Wombats ? I suspect the average fan has little understanding of the the machinations of professional football, as any quick perusal of a match day thread would confirm . We certainly all have valid views and opinions but let's not kid ourselves we have any in depth expertise Barrack Room lawyers - "A person who likes to give authoritative-sounding opinions on subjects in which they are not qualified." sums up most football fans to a tee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totterdown's Finest Posted December 24, 2020 Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 12 hours ago, Sheltons Army said: And Brentford amongst a fair number have a specialised set piece coach Our set pieces are totally unimaginative to put it politely and executed appallingly and have been for most of my life Can anyone remember a free kick or corner routine with a bit of imagination , that’s been worked on , in recent seasons ? We are missing a trick and with a lack of goals something we should be trying to maximise I'm sure I remember Mickey Bell scoring 2 free-kicks in a League Trophy game, at Bournemouth I think. But could have been just power and accuracy, rather than a well thought out move, as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted December 24, 2020 Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Totterdown's Finest said: I'm sure I remember Mickey Bell scoring 2 free-kicks in a League Trophy game, at Bournemouth I think. But could have been just power and accuracy, rather than a well thought out move, as such. We’ve had some decent free kick takers over the years , Bell certainly being one But we’ve never been very imaginative Or inventive when we havn’t The weasel against Palace is one of the few I can think of - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Wood Posted December 24, 2020 Report Share Posted December 24, 2020 The promotion season under Steve Cotterill we scored a good free kick against Oldham and won the game 1-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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