Wells and Semenyo

[MC RISK77]

1 hour ago, Harry said:

Yeah, a quality striker would. He’s not that. But he was still unlucky with that effort - came at him quick and difficult one to divert and keep low. Perhaps last week he snatches and skies that one over, at least he managed to keep it down and on target this time

I’m sure you’d have finished it in your pomp Mar!!

Nah mate I loved a lob  Merry Xmas mate

[Davefevs]

3 hours ago, marcofisher said:

Honestly, I know Martin scored, but I think our Forward play would be so much more fluid if he wasn't in the team....

I thought he had a good game today, was much more like it....having been out of sorts for 4 or 5 games (some might say more).  He ended up running a lot of channels today, which is not his forte at all, but he did it, especially first half.  Could’ve had two tap-ins as well as the chance Callum created.

3 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Think that is a little harsh on Martin, he should have scored 2 today, but in general my criticism would be that he is too unselfish rather than a poor finisher.

Semenyo’s work rate & ability running with the ball is very good, his finishing & lack of awareness to play others in need masses of work, though.

Wells was poor today, he hasn’t been helped by playing wide on occasions but did some very odd things today, twice he stopped when played through the middle & seemed to give up, very strange.

I thought on one occasion he would get flagged offside, the other came from realising it was Kalas and not thinking he’d get a pass.  For a team that doesn’t build pressure in the final third through possession / territory, it’s always gonna be difficult for Wells.

[marcofisher]

58 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I thought he had a good game today, was much more like it....having been out of sorts for 4 or 5 games (some might say more).  He ended up running a lot of channels today, which is not his forte at all, but he did it, especially first half.  Could’ve had two tap-ins as well as the chance Callum created.

See this worries me, when it is clearly not his game, that is is construed as some positive...

[JoeAman08]

Semenyo reminds me a bit of Raheem Sterling when at Liverpool. Not saying Semenyo is going to be that level but look where Raheem has gone with that good coaching. Also think the coaching helped slow the game down for him. AS has plenty of time to get this. We are doing the right by playing him, especially without Pato, Weimann or Palmer. He is the only one fit at the minute who can create his own shot. He can be very frustrating but these are the bumps and bruises we need to endure as a developing club. We need to persevere with our young players as a fanbase. The club needs to get the right coaching as well. 
 

As for Wells, he looks devoid of all confidence. I’d be happy to let him sit out a game or two completely. He has played a lot of minutes and has been asked to do a lot more in those minutes than he probably has before. Martin looks less sharp as well. Maybe worth giving Fam and Semenyo a couple starts together again. 

[Sheltons Army]

30 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Semenyo reminds me a bit of Raheem Sterling when at Liverpool. Not saying Semenyo is going to be that level but look where Raheem has gone with that good coaching. Also think the coaching helped slow the game down for him. AS has plenty of time to get this. We are doing the right by playing him, especially without Pato, Weimann or Palmer. He is the only one fit at the minute who can create his own shot. He can be very frustrating but these are the bumps and bruises we need to endure as a developing club. We need to persevere with our young players as a fanbase. The club needs to get the right coaching as well. 
 

As for Wells, he looks devoid of all confidence. I’d be happy to let him sit out a game or two completely. He has played a lot of minutes and has been asked to do a lot more in those minutes than he probably has before. Martin looks less sharp as well. Maybe worth giving Fam and Semenyo a couple starts together again. 

As regards Antoine my first q would be 

How (Well) Does he finish on training pitch ?

If ‘Well’ it’s a match situation / pressure thought process to work on - head as opposed to technique

If it’s ‘similar’ it’s down to work on technique (balance of decision / accuracy / power) 

Cant recall seeing much of his finishing in training ground - I’ve seen him for U23s when it was clear he could hit a ball with real power but lacking accuracy - I would guess that with the power he generates he’s sucked in to using or relying on it - could do with lots of drills using placement finishes only allowed.

id Hope Martin and Wells pass on their knowledge and help but who knows

It might almost be worth bringing in a specialist striker coach to work with him - goals would take him to another level , as an asset , and value wise

 

 

All IMHO

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, marcofisher said:

See this worries me, when it is clearly not his game, that is is construed as some positive...

It’s a positive in terms of how he himself played, e.g. he did good stuff, but agree, it’s not what we want him doing.

To me that shows we are attacking randomly, with little structure, it’s off the cuff.  It’s why we play sporadically.  It’s really frustrating me at the mo’.

[Davefevs]

Just clipped Wells and Semenyo’s shots yesterday.

O’Dowda was actually offside.  I thought it was Martin central, but he’s at the back post. XG 0.50

Martin in for a tap-in if Antoine can slide it across. XG 0.08, as he’s under pressure.

[Davefevs]

Martin much more involved too.

 

[mozo]

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Martin much more involved too.

 

Thanks Dave, is that an improvement on his past couple of games? 

[BigTone]

20 hours ago, Sheltons Army said:

As regards Antoine my first q would be 

How (Well) Does he finish on training pitch ?

If ‘Well’ it’s a match situation / pressure thought process to work on - head as opposed to technique

If it’s ‘similar’ it’s down to work on technique (balance of decision / accuracy / power) 

Cant recall seeing much of his finishing in training ground - I’ve seen him for U23s when it was clear he could hit a ball with real power but lacking accuracy - I would guess that with the power he generates he’s sucked in to using or relying on it - could do with lots of drills using placement finishes only allowed.

id Hope Martin and Wells pass on their knowledge and help but who knows

It might almost be worth bringing in a specialist striker coach to work with him - goals would take him to another level , as an asset , and value wise

 

 

All IMHO

I think we just need to source another Tammy to bring in on loan in January. Our GD at the moment isn't looking great compared to others around us in the table.

[Davefevs]

45 minutes ago, mozo said:

Thanks Dave, is that an improvement on his past couple of games? 

Yep!!

 

[mozo]

40 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yep!!

 

Thanks. Those stats do look better than his usual output.

[Lrrr]

On 26/12/2020 at 18:52, SuperRed said:

Hence one of the worst value for money signings. If we were signing a 30 year old for £5 million who had consistently scored 20 goals a season at this level then I could understand the risk versus the reward. But Wells has never got 20 championship goals in a season. He is not going to fire us to promotion. He will leave on a free. 

Meanwhile, Brentford, who walk the walk and not just talk the talk when it comes to recruitment, sign a 24 year old who will either lead them to promotion or get them at least £20 million in the summer. 

 

You don’t get a 20 goal a season striker for £5m in the championship, wells is a 14/15 goal a season striker and that’s what you pay for them remember this was pre-Covid pricing so comparison to Toney’s price are irrelevant and on your second point it helps when you’re selling your players for £25m to be able to go out and pay that much for a replacement. 

[cidered abroad]

I am very pleased that so many Academy players are getting chances in the first team. All of them have made positive contributions and will continue to improve.

What I find puzzling is how so many on OTIB react to the inevitable mistakes that these young pro's make.

A defender makes one mistake and we concede a goal. The slagging is merciless.

An attacker puts half a dozen goal efforts well off the target and gets a sympathetic response.

Personally, I have always believed that it is possible to coach "destruction" into defenders. Goalscoring is another matter. Good goalscorers appear to be born with an ability to slow the passing of time when presented with a goal chance. To have an ability to blast or place the ball in the net without hesitation.

Sterling has benefitted from good coaching at Man City. Can we do the same for Antoine Semenyo?

[The Journalist]

Weirdly, I’ve been more impressed with Wells when he’s been played out of position out wide - and generally put in a really good shift for the team - than when he’s played down the middle.

His main issue is when you’re in the team as an out-an-out finisher, who’s not contributing much beyond that, your stats have to be around 70/80% in terms of hitting the corners. He’s not really ever managed that for us.

[Clutton Caveman]

What is happening in training?

We all say Fam can't trap the ball

Semenyo cant hit a barn door

Wells has stopped making runs and also cant hit the target

Martin looks like he has put on a stone or 2

Do we just accept that.

Why not get them back each afternoon and practice one on one each day until this aspect of their game improves.

It certainly worked when we turned a slow and lumbering Paul Cheesely into a top class centre forward.

Sure with our wonderful ex England coaches this should not be impossible

[Kodjias Wrist]

 

 

5 minutes ago, Clutton Caveman said:

What is happening in training?

We all say Fam can't trap the ball

Semenyo cant hit a barn door

Wells has stopped making runs and also cant hit the target

Martin looks like he has put on a stone or 2

Do we just accept that.

Why not get them back each afternoon and practice one on one each day until this aspect of their game improves.

It certainly worked when we turned a slow and lumbering Paul Cheesely into a top class centre forward.

Sure with our wonderful ex England coaches this should not be impossible

We all know there is a difference in training and matches. I imagine the problem is confidence in the players at an individual and collective level. Or the formation and style does not suit us at all.

[Clutton Caveman]

19 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

 

 

We all know there is a difference in training and matches. I imagine the problem is confidence in the players at an individual and collective level. Or the formation and style does not suit us at all.

Confidence is improved when you practice your weakness so much it becomes a strength. It becomes second nature and you can think about other things. I wonder how much the movement off the ball would improve if you got the whole squad back each afternoon to work on just this.

I just wonder if we practice anything other than defence. Generally speaking in defence we look well drilled and fairly efficient. When we try to attack we look like it is a foreign concept.

I am sick of seeing teams who play to their strengths in attack either with long balls and a big guy or with short passing and lots of pace and movement when we seem to have no plan whatsoever. We can't even manage a clever free kick or corner.

We are wrong to mourn the loss of missing players and should be concentrating on finding a system of defence and attack that works and training the players hard to make it work. If DH and his coaches do not have the ability to do this we are doomed to more anti football that no one will want to pay good money to watch.

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, JonDolman said:

Sterling is a great example. Though with him he has never been a great striker of the ball. The coaching has turned him into a player capable of scoring loads, 20 odd a season or maybe a bit less?

Semenyo has an amazing shot off either foot. I'd just be concentrating on working on him to keep his shots down. Strike it low and with the power he can get from either foot, and surely much of a chance the ball will fly into the back of the net.

But then there is a problem with him at times not getting a clean connection. So maybe at times try passing it into the net. We have seen him get good power when trying to guide the ball into the back of the net.

What I liked about JETs finishing was how he would pass it from outside the box, powerfully into the corner. Not saying Semenyo can do that, but would be interesting to see him try to guide a ball in from distance. Not many can do that though. JET was a proper elite level finisher to be fair!

I like Semenyo on the wing, but if his finishing can improve, which I think it will, I am excited by him being a striker in the future.

He can become a striker than can create his own chances, not really had that this Kodjia?

Those moments Semenyi beats a player with his strength and turn of pace from the wing. Sometimes beating more than one player. I imagine him doing that up front in more dangerous areas of the pitch closer to goal.

Lots of time to improve. So very excited by what he may become. I think him and Tyreeq have outstanding natural attributes that could take them right to the top. Really been enjoying watching both this season.

Good examples / comparison.  Look at the shot that hit the post v Huddersfield....stroked but still very firm....from a side foot.

No probs with his shot that got cleared off the line on Saturday either, where he placed it.

But for his left foot chance late on, he tried to blast it, and mishit it.

He generates significant power from a side foot already.  That extra blast is the equivalent of an amateur golfer trying to hit it too hard.

 

[BLRed]

I thought tinnion sounded kore pissed off at Wells rather than semenyo.

kept complaining about him giving up on chasing things down, poor finishing, passing, ball retention etc. Needs dropping imo. Semenyo simply needs composure and some finishing training. He’s trying too hard to get that first league goal And making wrong decisions in doing so

[Davefevs]

43 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

Yeah he went with his laces I think. Not sure if he was the right angle to use his side foot in that moment. Will have to look again though.

 

 

Yep, Tinnion whispered 'useless' after a Wells pass went out of play. He seemed frustrated with him all game.

in fairness I don’t think a side foot was on for him on this occasion, but he is such a powerful lad, take a touch, see what the keeper and defender do (think back to Danjuma for Bournemouth) and if the dink isn’t on, square it for Martin.

[cidered abroad]

3 hours ago, Clutton Caveman said:

What is happening in training?

We all say Fam can't trap the ball

Semenyo cant hit a barn door

Wells has stopped making runs and also cant hit the target

Martin looks like he has put on a stone or 2

Do we just accept that.

Why not get them back each afternoon and practice one on one each day until this aspect of their game improves.

It certainly worked when we turned a slow and lumbering Paul Cheesely into a top class centre forward.

Sure with our wonderful ex England coaches this should not be impossible

Is that statement based on fact or just an opinion?

[Davefevs]

Just now, JonDolman said:

Yep. To be fair I thought at the time he tried to do the right thing but just got bad connection. as not sure from that TV angle if the pass might have been cut out. Unless he carried on running with the ball to try and cut back. 

Yes, that’s what I meant, take it on another touch, and then see what the options were.

[Clutton Caveman]

22 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

Is that statement based on fact or just an opinion?

It is my opinion that the items I mention are fact

[Clutton Caveman]

On 28/12/2020 at 13:47, JonDolman said:

Yeah he went with his laces I think. Not sure if he was the right angle to use his side foot in that moment. Will have to look again though.

 

 

Yep, Tinnion whispered 'useless' after a Wells pass went out of play. He seemed frustrated with him all game.

Lets face it we don't have a single player at the moment able to spot and execute a pass like Tinnion could. No wonder he is upset

[Wrongagain]

Fast coming to the conclusion Wells ain’t a team player, give him a chance on a plate he will probably nail it, give him the ball under pressure he’ll lose it, let him have the ball with a great chance of an assist he won’t provide the assist, my 3 yo grandson could pass better! And don’t start me on his passing when he’s not under pressure, it seems he does not think there’s a team mate worthy of a decent pass!

I know we don’t play him in his best position but if the balls not sugar coated he’s useless, write him off as another poor purchase and get someone in with a bit of pride in the shirt!