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13 minutes ago, tin said:

What's the common denominator there, I wonder? Gregor reports that Rolls is a long-term acquaintance of Ashton. Proctor was at Oxford United at the same time Ashton was CEO (2014/15). ?

He feels comfortable employing people he knows. Johnson employed people he knew. Lansdown employs people he knows. Sounds  a bit like they don't like being out of their comfort zone. Somewhat like when Cotterill was employed on someone else's recommendation and bombed out at the earliest convenience, to be replaced by someone that was known and Lansdown was comfortable with. I've often thought that the hierarchy are frightened of being questioned and challenged in their quest for success, as if they're frightened of success.

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I am more of a reader, rather than poster on this forum...  but I thought this observation from a West Ham fan was interesting. It's not proof of anything - but it does give cause for concern.

https://foreverwestham.com/2014/04/blog-topics/an-unwanted-connection-between-west-ham-and-arsenal/

At the very least it appears as if Rolls has been very unlucky in having injury crisis' at all three of his last big jobs in football. 

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12 minutes ago, Rich said:

He feels comfortable employing people he knows. Johnson employed people he knew. Lansdown employs people he knows. Sounds  a bit like they don't like being out of their comfort zone. Somewhat like when Cotterill was employed on someone else's recommendation and bombed out at the earliest convenience, to be replaced by someone that was known and Lansdown was comfortable with. I've often thought that the hierarchy are frightened of being questioned and challenged in their quest for success, as if they're frightened of success.

I'd suggest it's not uncommon in football industry in general. Look around, it's far from uncommon.

Cotts is of course a big 'what if' but we were in big relegation trouble at that time, conceding late goals and relegation was a real possibility. The signs were there.

On this topic albeit sort of off it, this reinforces my view that had Korey been renewed, he wouldn't have had 90% availability this season so far.

Sounds like we have serious problems on the rehabilitation front.

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5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I'd suggest it's not uncommon in football industry in general. Look around, it's far from uncommon.

Cotts is of course a big 'what if' but we were in big relegation trouble at that time, conceding late goals and relegation was a real possibility. The signs were there.

On this topic albeit sort of off it, this reinforces my view that had Korey been renewed, he wouldn't have had 90% availability this season so far.

Sounds like we have serious problems on the rehabilitation front.

Oh, I know it's not an uncommon practice to employ people you know. To achieve success, sometimes you have to ruffle a few feathers, have they the balls to do that or, do they want to quietly go about their business and hope the format brings success without being challenged.

It's been a recurring theme that when there's the slightest disagreement from any of the coaching staff or players, they been quietened then shown the door. And during Mr Lansdown's time at the helm, not one person who's left the club, that I can remember have ever been critical of the club. Makes me think they've signed a disclosure agreement.

As for the Cotterill sacking, in my opinion he was stubborn after not being supported as he expected and rightly deserved thought he should have been. Certainly nowhere near the support his replacement got.

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5 minutes ago, markcarter said:

Gregor is a very cautious journalist.  What this means is: 1.  He has had the Williams story corroborated by at least 2 independent people within the club.  2. He has also had corroborated a similar scenario for at least one other player, but has reasons for not naming him, possibly relating to confidentiality with his sources.

I suspect he's just phoned up the journalist at The Athletic. Unlikely he's gone much further than that. They all share info. 

5 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

I don't know that Rolls is in anyway culpable but I note he was recruited from Arsenal and if there ever was a team that had a history of players (especially midfielders) missing through soft tissue injuries its them. 

A similar story at West Ham where Big Sam was reportedly less than happy with their injury woes. 

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41 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

From the article by Gregor

“Andy Rolls was recruited as head of performance in the summer of 2018 from Arsenal after CEO Mark Ashton brought in a long-term acquaintance, with Andrew Proctor as lead physiotherapist.”

I have been a long term MA supporter for his ability to get the club top fees for players. He kind of set the precedent for champ clubs getting big fees. However, that is now set and other teams like Brentford can do the same. Then you realise all the other decisions MA is involved in like hiring staff, overseeing recruitment and making most of the most important decisions. The only people/person to blame more than MA is the guy that hired him. Starting to think LJ did a lot better than we give him credit for. Like Mourinho finishing second with United a few years ago. Hell of an achievement when you see the decisions non football people are making at that club

Jolly boys outing ffs

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Without delving into the evidence trails on our medics, I’m still trying to get my head around the Club offering CoD - ex Oxford United - an extended contract. Nobody knows who his agent is? 

So, in the last few years all that Cotts built has been dismantled and its been replaced with the MA show - his tentacles, seemingly, now extending everywhere. 

Ummm.

 

Not a conspiracy theorist but it really would be nice to have my Football Club back sometime, run along sound football lines and delivering attractive, winning football. 

 

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1 hour ago, Rich said:

He feels comfortable employing people he knows. Johnson employed people he knew. Lansdown employs people he knows. Sounds  a bit like they don't like being out of their comfort zone. Somewhat like when Cotterill was employed on someone else's recommendation and bombed out at the earliest convenience, to be replaced by someone that was known and Lansdown was comfortable with. I've often thought that the hierarchy are frightened of being questioned and challenged in their quest for success, as if they're frightened of success.

Couldn’t have said it any better, great post. There’s no room for an old pals’ act, IMO, and yet our club has been dogged by that and nepotism for the last 20 years. It’s a major part in why we go round in circles. 

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i think if i was a well paid footballer who had spent 5 months out with a Thigh injury, i would consider getting an independent specialist to take a look, and if the club wouldn't pay for it, I'd pick up the bill myself.  If the medical team is taking flak about their inefficiency and poor injury management, perhaps  they should have the opportunity to defend themselves, and although we are laymen regarding specialist treatment, i am sure they could give us some kind of rundown and explanation as to why we have so many long term injuries affecting the club.

  I f there really is an issue regarding the lack of professionalism and standard of treatment by our medical team, then it should be independently examined, and individuals who are paid well to care for professional athletes should be made accountable, if by the same token they are doing an excellent job and do not deserve any criticism, then after these veiled comments have been made about them....then lets have them clear the air and provide the reasons or at least try to explain why we have so many injury issues. 

I would love to know how and why they were recruited, and if it was just Ashton who made the decision?  i do not know if Carey 6's observations have any truth, but it would seem that the fire is beginning to produce some smoke?       

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4 minutes ago, maxjak said:

i think if i was a well paid footballer who had spent 5 months out with a Thigh injury, i would consider getting an independent specialist to take a look, and if the club wouldn't pay for it, I'd pick up the bill myself.  If the medical team is taking flak about their inefficiency and poor injury management, perhaps  they should have the opportunity to defend themselves, and although we are laymen regarding specialist treatment, i am sure they could give us some kind of rundown and explanation as to why we have so many long term injuries affecting the club.

  I f there really is an issue regarding the lack of professionalism and standard of treatment by our medical team, then it should be independently examined, and individuals who are paid well to care for professional athletes should be made accountable, if by the same token they are doing an excellent job and do not deserve any criticism, then after these veiled comments have been made about them....then lets have them clear the air and provide the reasons or at least try to explain why we have so many injury issues. 

I would love to know how and why they were recruited, and if it was just Ashton who made the decision?  i do not know if Carey 6's observations have any truth, but it would seem that the fire is beginning to produce some smoke?       

Hello mate, not my observations just sharing tweets relevant to the conversation. (Not my tweets)

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1 hour ago, Rich said:

He feels comfortable employing people he knows. Johnson employed people he knew. Lansdown employs people he knows. Sounds  a bit like they don't like being out of their comfort zone. Somewhat like when Cotterill was employed on someone else's recommendation and bombed out at the earliest convenience, to be replaced by someone that was known and Lansdown was comfortable with. I've often thought that the hierarchy are frightened of being questioned and challenged in their quest for success, as if they're frightened of success.

Nail fiirmly on head.

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9 minutes ago, markcarter said:

Knowing how Gregor has worked in the past, I don’t agree.  He will have sought and obtained his own independent corroboration before publishing that at least two players (Williams plus one or more others) who are unhappy with treatment of their injuries and rehabilitation.

Pointless as long as The Athletic (who tend to be very well informed) tell him who their sources are... 

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The fact that we cannot get our first choice centre-midfield duo back on the pitch after suffering innocuous injuries which we have been told they will be back from soon (repeatedly), but then inexplicably relapse (repeatedly) and that we have not heard from Joe Williams again since his debut on Robins TV suggests there might, just might be something in this.... wouldn’t be a conspiracy theory stretch to rival the moon landing would it?

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2 hours ago, Carey 6 said:

 

 

1 hour ago, markcarter said:

Gregor is a very cautious journalist.  What this means is: 1.  He has had the Williams story corroborated by at least 2 independent people within the club.  2. He has also had corroborated a similar scenario for at least one other player, but has reasons for not naming him, possibly relating to confidentiality with his sources.

I'll tell you where the story came from - the Wasserman Agency.

They represent Walsh, Williams and Weimann, and they won't be happy with 3 season long injuries!

Callum O'Dowda also Wasserman and now also injured...

The only question is, did Gregor call the agency or did the agency call him...

 

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15 minutes ago, mozo said:

 

I'll tell you where the story came from - the Wasserman Agency.

They represent Walsh, Williams and Weimann, and they won't be happy with 3 season long injuries!

Callum O'Dowda also Wasserman and now also injured...

The only question is, did Gregor call the agency or did the agency call him...

 

There I was, looking at some of the free agents represented by said agency- thinking maybe some could be sent our way but that looks somewhat unlikely now! If indeed, they're not happy.

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