Rich Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, tin said: What's the common denominator there, I wonder? Gregor reports that Rolls is a long-term acquaintance of Ashton. Proctor was at Oxford United at the same time Ashton was CEO (2014/15). He feels comfortable employing people he knows. Johnson employed people he knew. Lansdown employs people he knows. Sounds a bit like they don't like being out of their comfort zone. Somewhat like when Cotterill was employed on someone else's recommendation and bombed out at the earliest convenience, to be replaced by someone that was known and Lansdown was comfortable with. I've often thought that the hierarchy are frightened of being questioned and challenged in their quest for success, as if they're frightened of success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Olé Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Can we stop reposting pictures of Gary O'Neil's misshapen leg on here and Twitter, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Olé said: Can we stop reposting pictures of Gary O'Neil's misshapen leg on here and Twitter, thanks. Is it really the leg pic that bothers you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go wide Goodridge Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 I am more of a reader, rather than poster on this forum... but I thought this observation from a West Ham fan was interesting. It's not proof of anything - but it does give cause for concern. https://foreverwestham.com/2014/04/blog-topics/an-unwanted-connection-between-west-ham-and-arsenal/ At the very least it appears as if Rolls has been very unlucky in having injury crisis' at all three of his last big jobs in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, Rich said: He feels comfortable employing people he knows. Johnson employed people he knew. Lansdown employs people he knows. Sounds a bit like they don't like being out of their comfort zone. Somewhat like when Cotterill was employed on someone else's recommendation and bombed out at the earliest convenience, to be replaced by someone that was known and Lansdown was comfortable with. I've often thought that the hierarchy are frightened of being questioned and challenged in their quest for success, as if they're frightened of success. I'd suggest it's not uncommon in football industry in general. Look around, it's far from uncommon. Cotts is of course a big 'what if' but we were in big relegation trouble at that time, conceding late goals and relegation was a real possibility. The signs were there. On this topic albeit sort of off it, this reinforces my view that had Korey been renewed, he wouldn't have had 90% availability this season so far. Sounds like we have serious problems on the rehabilitation front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 I don't know that Rolls is in anyway culpable but I note he was recruited from Arsenal and if there ever was a team that had a history of players (especially midfielders) missing through soft tissue injuries its them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 22 minutes ago, Olé said: Can we stop reposting pictures of Gary O'Neil's misshapen leg on here and Twitter, thanks. Agree Rob. It is minging! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I'd suggest it's not uncommon in football industry in general. Look around, it's far from uncommon. Cotts is of course a big 'what if' but we were in big relegation trouble at that time, conceding late goals and relegation was a real possibility. The signs were there. On this topic albeit sort of off it, this reinforces my view that had Korey been renewed, he wouldn't have had 90% availability this season so far. Sounds like we have serious problems on the rehabilitation front. Oh, I know it's not an uncommon practice to employ people you know. To achieve success, sometimes you have to ruffle a few feathers, have they the balls to do that or, do they want to quietly go about their business and hope the format brings success without being challenged. It's been a recurring theme that when there's the slightest disagreement from any of the coaching staff or players, they been quietened then shown the door. And during Mr Lansdown's time at the helm, not one person who's left the club, that I can remember have ever been critical of the club. Makes me think they've signed a disclosure agreement. As for the Cotterill sacking, in my opinion he was stubborn after not being supported as he expected and rightly deserved thought he should have been. Certainly nowhere near the support his replacement got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, markcarter said: Gregor is a very cautious journalist. What this means is: 1. He has had the Williams story corroborated by at least 2 independent people within the club. 2. He has also had corroborated a similar scenario for at least one other player, but has reasons for not naming him, possibly relating to confidentiality with his sources. I suspect he's just phoned up the journalist at The Athletic. Unlikely he's gone much further than that. They all share info. 5 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: I don't know that Rolls is in anyway culpable but I note he was recruited from Arsenal and if there ever was a team that had a history of players (especially midfielders) missing through soft tissue injuries its them. A similar story at West Ham where Big Sam was reportedly less than happy with their injury woes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Red Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 41 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: From the article by Gregor “Andy Rolls was recruited as head of performance in the summer of 2018 from Arsenal after CEO Mark Ashton brought in a long-term acquaintance, with Andrew Proctor as lead physiotherapist.” I have been a long term MA supporter for his ability to get the club top fees for players. He kind of set the precedent for champ clubs getting big fees. However, that is now set and other teams like Brentford can do the same. Then you realise all the other decisions MA is involved in like hiring staff, overseeing recruitment and making most of the most important decisions. The only people/person to blame more than MA is the guy that hired him. Starting to think LJ did a lot better than we give him credit for. Like Mourinho finishing second with United a few years ago. Hell of an achievement when you see the decisions non football people are making at that club Jolly boys outing ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 I don't want to quote my source I've heard a rumour that the club share the concerns and Rolls is being replaced by a new guy next week, who has ideas to completely overhaul our medical department... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Red Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Get that brummie ****** out our club and all his pals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 About time some focus was thrown on the medical team. If it really is just bad luck that’s unbelievable. I suspect there’s some level of incompetence involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 It all fits really. Our injuries have been ridiculous for a number of years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Without delving into the evidence trails on our medics, I’m still trying to get my head around the Club offering CoD - ex Oxford United - an extended contract. Nobody knows who his agent is? So, in the last few years all that Cotts built has been dismantled and its been replaced with the MA show - his tentacles, seemingly, now extending everywhere. Ummm. Not a conspiracy theorist but it really would be nice to have my Football Club back sometime, run along sound football lines and delivering attractive, winning football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Rich said: He feels comfortable employing people he knows. Johnson employed people he knew. Lansdown employs people he knows. Sounds a bit like they don't like being out of their comfort zone. Somewhat like when Cotterill was employed on someone else's recommendation and bombed out at the earliest convenience, to be replaced by someone that was known and Lansdown was comfortable with. I've often thought that the hierarchy are frightened of being questioned and challenged in their quest for success, as if they're frightened of success. Couldn’t have said it any better, great post. There’s no room for an old pals’ act, IMO, and yet our club has been dogged by that and nepotism for the last 20 years. It’s a major part in why we go round in circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 i think if i was a well paid footballer who had spent 5 months out with a Thigh injury, i would consider getting an independent specialist to take a look, and if the club wouldn't pay for it, I'd pick up the bill myself. If the medical team is taking flak about their inefficiency and poor injury management, perhaps they should have the opportunity to defend themselves, and although we are laymen regarding specialist treatment, i am sure they could give us some kind of rundown and explanation as to why we have so many long term injuries affecting the club. I f there really is an issue regarding the lack of professionalism and standard of treatment by our medical team, then it should be independently examined, and individuals who are paid well to care for professional athletes should be made accountable, if by the same token they are doing an excellent job and do not deserve any criticism, then after these veiled comments have been made about them....then lets have them clear the air and provide the reasons or at least try to explain why we have so many injury issues. I would love to know how and why they were recruited, and if it was just Ashton who made the decision? i do not know if Carey 6's observations have any truth, but it would seem that the fire is beginning to produce some smoke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuffle Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Wonder how many Settlement agreements Ashton has had to go along with mutually agreed terminations!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, maxjak said: i think if i was a well paid footballer who had spent 5 months out with a Thigh injury, i would consider getting an independent specialist to take a look, and if the club wouldn't pay for it, I'd pick up the bill myself. If the medical team is taking flak about their inefficiency and poor injury management, perhaps they should have the opportunity to defend themselves, and although we are laymen regarding specialist treatment, i am sure they could give us some kind of rundown and explanation as to why we have so many long term injuries affecting the club. I f there really is an issue regarding the lack of professionalism and standard of treatment by our medical team, then it should be independently examined, and individuals who are paid well to care for professional athletes should be made accountable, if by the same token they are doing an excellent job and do not deserve any criticism, then after these veiled comments have been made about them....then lets have them clear the air and provide the reasons or at least try to explain why we have so many injury issues. I would love to know how and why they were recruited, and if it was just Ashton who made the decision? i do not know if Carey 6's observations have any truth, but it would seem that the fire is beginning to produce some smoke? Hello mate, not my observations just sharing tweets relevant to the conversation. (Not my tweets) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Rich said: He feels comfortable employing people he knows. Johnson employed people he knew. Lansdown employs people he knows. Sounds a bit like they don't like being out of their comfort zone. Somewhat like when Cotterill was employed on someone else's recommendation and bombed out at the earliest convenience, to be replaced by someone that was known and Lansdown was comfortable with. I've often thought that the hierarchy are frightened of being questioned and challenged in their quest for success, as if they're frightened of success. Nail fiirmly on head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Sheds a bit more light on Brunt being released, I'd suggest. Probably saw what was going on and thought "**** that, I'll take my chances and rehab somewhere else" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, markcarter said: Knowing how Gregor has worked in the past, I don’t agree. He will have sought and obtained his own independent corroboration before publishing that at least two players (Williams plus one or more others) who are unhappy with treatment of their injuries and rehabilitation. Pointless as long as The Athletic (who tend to be very well informed) tell him who their sources are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Club and Country Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Glad people are waking up to Andy Rolls role within the club hes Ashtons man and as head of performance is running an absolute shit show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 There's some tin foil hat idiots in here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomThumb84 Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 The fact that we cannot get our first choice centre-midfield duo back on the pitch after suffering innocuous injuries which we have been told they will be back from soon (repeatedly), but then inexplicably relapse (repeatedly) and that we have not heard from Joe Williams again since his debut on Robins TV suggests there might, just might be something in this.... wouldn’t be a conspiracy theory stretch to rival the moon landing would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Carey 6 said: 1 hour ago, markcarter said: Gregor is a very cautious journalist. What this means is: 1. He has had the Williams story corroborated by at least 2 independent people within the club. 2. He has also had corroborated a similar scenario for at least one other player, but has reasons for not naming him, possibly relating to confidentiality with his sources. I'll tell you where the story came from - the Wasserman Agency. They represent Walsh, Williams and Weimann, and they won't be happy with 3 season long injuries! Callum O'Dowda also Wasserman and now also injured... The only question is, did Gregor call the agency or did the agency call him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Shuffle said: Wonder how many Settlement agreements Ashton has had to go along with mutually agreed terminations!! Again, probably an industry standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, mozo said: I'll tell you where the story came from - the Wasserman Agency. They represent Walsh, Williams and Weimann, and they won't be happy with 3 season long injuries! Callum O'Dowda also Wasserman and now also injured... The only question is, did Gregor call the agency or did the agency call him... There I was, looking at some of the free agents represented by said agency- thinking maybe some could be sent our way but that looks somewhat unlikely now! If indeed, they're not happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 29/12/2020 at 14:19, JonDolman said: I thought something was going on with Morrell, and now I think something might be going on with Williams and Walsh. We’re all modern people on OTIB let them live their lives . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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