Ashton Matt Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2014/jan/15/arsenal-head-sport-science-west-ham - Andy Rolls has a track record of overseeing clubs with long injury lists. I'm fairly sure Arsenal suffered similar long-term injuries during his tenure. Serious questions need to be asked of the club as to Ashton's thought process when making the appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, JonDolman said: I wonder what the medical team are actually doing that is so wrong Amazing what sort of qualification you can get online..... I jest, but reading between the lines, it all points towards one man with a horrid history of injuries at all of his clubs. Getting a job sometimes, is nothing to do with what you know, but who you know. Maybe that has a lot to do with our current situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Carey 6 said: Hello mate, not my observations just sharing tweets relevant to the conversation. (Not my tweets) Yep....I understand, I didn't phrase it very well, Thanks for putting me straight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Just read he was at Arsenal. Wonder if that was when they used to consistently have as many injuries as we do now! If this is down to him or a combination of bad medical staff and it's obvious to some of the players then that is an absolute disgrace. The club put so much effort into so many areas, and to have incompetent medical staff is unacceptable. Not just for us fans, but more so for these players careers. Joe Williams was looking a top quality championship midfielder for Wigan. Walsh was exceptional for Coventry and we all thought ready for his chance this season. You’re right about Rolls and Arsenal and have a read of this to see his record at West Ham. And yet still Ashton appointed his old mate (mates if you include Proctor) down here. One of many disgraces associated with this charlatan CEO of ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassomylord Posted January 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Mark Ashton the most slippery man in English football. He holds far too much power......sooner he goes the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Carey 6 said: Very damming final para as others have said. 3 hours ago, tin said: What's the common denominator there, I wonder? Gregor reports that Rolls is a long-term acquaintance of Ashton. Proctor was at Oxford United at the same time Ashton was CEO (2014/15). I wasn’t sure grammatically which one Gregor was implying, e.g. Rolls or Proctor. 2 hours ago, Finley_Smith10 said: Andy rolls mates with Ashton then. Explains it all. Lansdown needs to get rid of anything to do with him but can’t see that ever happening Rolls is ex-Watford....just checked his LinkedIn! Also when Rolls was appointed I recall him mentioning he knew Ashton. None if this says they are crap at their jobs, but another case of Ashton surrounding himself with people he’s worked with in the past. Werhun is another. I would love to know whether Ashton’s son works at the club too. Rumoured that he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 I am not casting aspersions..........but Andy Rolls left injury plagued West Ham for injury plagued Arsenal , and then on to injury plagued Bristol City. He must have smashed a lot of mirrors? Maybe he could put his head above the parapet, and tell fans why he thinks we are having so many injury problems in comparison to previous years (Yeah i know about the constant treadmill of games, but we are not unique in that regard?) I think some communication with the long suffering supporters would be beneficial all round, as all we get from DH is bland non-commital sound bites....."We have no definite time scale blah blah". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Very damming final para as others have said. I wasn’t sure grammatically which one Gregor was implying, e.g. Rolls or Proctor. Definitely Rolls. Proctor’s a local lad who was in my year at school (I played with and against him many times). He was at Oxford at the same time as Ashton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Just now, tin said: Definitely Rolls. Proctor’s a local lad who was in my year at school. He was at Oxford at the same time as Ashton. Yes, definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Can anyone enlighten me? Has Ashton ever worked for Donald Trump? It all sounds very Trumpian at Ashton Gate and we know how that is ending in US. Nothing, IMO, will be right until we have a proper sized Board with people of proven worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 I raised suspicions last week when it was mentioned that Paterson had seen a specialist, but then had seen another specialist, which finally cut to the problem. I would hazard a guess that Paterson is likely one of those “other players” that were supposedly not very happy. As for Ashton and his clan of incompetence. I’ve been trying to warn you all for 4 years. There are none so blind etc..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 49 minutes ago, Bassomylord said: 0Mark Ashton the most slippery man in English football. He holds far too much power......sooner he goes the better. Reminds me of 1 Clavdivs, Sejanus (Patrick Stewart) became the evil power behind the throne of Tiberius (as if he wasn't evil enough), came to a very sticky end, mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 8 hours ago, JamboBCFC said: Given the nature of the two sports, it's frankly ridiculous that the Bears are missing about 5/6 players all due back in the near future when compared to the injury list at city. They've only played 7 games to be fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 I have defended the medical team because injuries are often bad luck, but if multiple players aren't happy there is an issue. Same issue as transfers which don't work out. Same issue as why we have an inexperienced manager. Ashton. Get him out, get football men in like Joe Jordan, and let's get our club back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Wilson Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 There’s been something off with our medical department for years. Djuric spent 42 days injured total before joining us. He then proceeded to spend 112 days injured here, and now 0 at Salernitana. Hegeler as well, I remember, was injured a lot. We’ve seemingly had an injury crisis for each of the last like 4/5 years. Ain’t right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 hours ago, mozo said: I'll tell you where the story came from - the Wasserman Agency. They represent Walsh, Williams and Weimann, and they won't be happy with 3 season long injuries! Callum O'Dowda also Wasserman and now also injured... The only question is, did Gregor call the agency or did the agency call him... But but but but That can’t be right as MA has a personal arrangement with Wassermans, to his personal benefit, according to some ....... ‘ Premier League ready ‘ ‘ Premier League Club In Waiting ‘ My arse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Over a few seasons I’ve repeatedly scorned the suggestion that our injury problems have been anything other than bad luck. That was on the basis that becoming injured struck me as an occupational hazard of football which the club could hardly be responsible for, unless they didn’t know how to warm the players up properly, which seemed a ludicrous suggestion. That still strikes me as being the case, but the idea that the club is being negligent in the way it handles injuries, now that really IS an interesting suggestion. The more I think about the more it seems that virtually every injury we have had over the last three or four seasons has turned out to be longer than expected. However, as we know only to well from events over the pond, we need some evidence. Joe Bryan’s father is a senior medical man who might have some opinions based on Joe’s time at the club - anyone got a connection in the Bryan family? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 hours ago, mozo said: I'll tell you where the story came from - the Wasserman Agency. They represent Walsh, Williams and Weimann, and they won't be happy with 3 season long injuries! Callum O'Dowda also Wasserman and now also injured... The only question is, did Gregor call the agency or did the agency call him... Wasserman have some highly reputed top champions league footballers in their group according to transfermarkt, i really dont see them taking much interest in a constantly under achieving second tier english club... and those players mentioned have barely kicked a ball in the top flight in their whole careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Given that Rolls was at West Ham, you can bet that his name has come up in conversation between Messrs Allardyce and Holden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 On 29/12/2020 at 22:39, Club and Country said: It’s Lansdowns, Mark Ashton and Andy Rolls house down there, everyone else will take the fall and you better fall in line with what they want talks of dynamism, athleticism power being posted on this thread Andy Rolls is head of performance and I can tell you now for a fact the bloke is getting away with murder C&C interestingly posted this before the smoke now emitting from reporters Can I ask C&C whether you are able to expand on your knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Rarely smoke without fire. Pieces of the puzzle coming together and the picture isn’t looking good. Makes sense, players rushed back, injuries exacerbated. The list is ridiculous. I speculated a week or so ago that the players were being pushed to hard in training too - seems that could well be the case if the injured players rehab is similarly treated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 53 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Over a few seasons I’ve repeatedly scorned the suggestion that our injury problems have been anything other than bad luck. That was on the basis that becoming injured struck me as an occupational hazard of football which the club could hardly be responsible for, unless they didn’t know how to warm the players up properly, which seemed a ludicrous suggestion. That still strikes me as being the case, but the idea that the club is being negligent in the way it handles injuries, now that really IS an interesting suggestion. The more I think about the more it seems that virtually every injury we have had over the last three or four seasons has turned out to be longer than expected. However, as we know only to well from events over the pond, we need some evidence. Joe Bryan’s father is a senior medical man who might have some opinions based on Joe’s time at the club - anyone got a connection in the Bryan family? Been saying this for a while Im amazed how long all our injured players take to come back compared to other clubs The only player that I can think of that seemed to do well to get back when he did was Benik Afobe..... Afobe who did all his rehab with Gary Lewis back in London Hmmm You don’t need to be a medical person to look at the injuries and recovery times back to playing for the alarm bells to be ringing . Makes our playing at recruitment look good in comparison and both recruitment and injury absences have impacted on us massively in last few seasons ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Club and Country Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 24 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: C&C interestingly posted this before the smoke now emitting from reporters Can I ask C&C whether you are able to expand on your knowledge Unfortunately not mate with regards to where information is coming from and whether people chose to believe me or not, there are serious issues down there at the moment (which is now becoming obvious I think we will all agree) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 This is all sounding very bad. Relegation bad if there is dissension in the camp. Come on City sort it out, and fast. Wonder what the returning Palmer thinks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 49 minutes ago, Simon bristol said: Wasserman have some highly reputed top champions league footballers in their group according to transfermarkt, i really dont see them taking much interest in a constantly under achieving second tier english club... and those players mentioned have barely kicked a ball in the top flight in their whole careers. I've never worked at an agency before but I'd imagine Wasserman has loads of consultants working for them around the country and beyond, only some of which would represent the big stars. The agents that work with Championship footballers are probably very well paid and would have license to speak with journalists where appropriate. Gregor probably has contacts for all the agencies representing City players, but will only get any nuggets on a story if the agent feels it is in their best interest. Leaking this story has already got us talking about the issue, and we're scrutinising the staff, which in turn puts pressure on the club. Well played football agent, I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 The Holden we must ‘stick together’ recent media quotes raised some fears at the time with me. Said I thought the Club was looking a ‘mess’ a couple of weeks ago. I was rather hoping it wasn’t. Not very confident now my initial analysis was incorrect. One assumes there’s a fairly cosy relationship between a ‘favoured’ agent and the Club so - if this has come via the agent - things must be pretty dire. Seems the whole set-up needs to be rebooted. Only our City eh!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin101 Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Didn’t Lee Johnson say last season “I could write a book about what’s happened this season”? I paraphrase. But does anybody know what he might be referring to? Concerning times at City imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 It’s all just a bit of a mess isn’t it? It’s becoming more evident that in certain areas of this football club, we are so amateurish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Sheltons Army said: Been saying this for a while Im amazed how long all our injured players take to come back compared to other clubs The only player that I can think of that seemed to do well to get back when he did was Benik Afobe..... Afobe who did all his rehab with Gary Lewis back in London Hmmm You don’t need to be a medical person to look at the injuries and recovery times back to playing for the alarm bells to be ringing . Makes our playing at recruitment look good in comparison and both recruitment and injury absences have impacted on us massively in last few seasons ..... I still don't think our recruitment on individual levels that bad. How well they're put together, how fit they are- different debate. The ever present sell on issue too, think it's so so, but to be getting both playing and cash value it needs to be notably better. Always had it down as middling, rather than stellar- needs to be closer to the latter with our model. However our physios, rehab, etc- number of injuries in recent years, recurring injuries, injuries that are to first choice and what I'd call first reserve players. I'm mixed in terms of views to Ashton on the recruitment front given the limitations for a side without Parachute Payments but there's zero excuse for this, if Rolls is an Ashton connection/pick. Two issues overlap as well, less injuries might mean more successful combinations, which in turn would add a few notches to recruitment and potentially sell on value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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