054123 Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 It may just be recency bias on my part, but I feel like we concede a lot from balls directly into the box, either from open play or set piece. We seem to struggle to either pick up, or contest with, the first runner, or the second ball. I could be completely wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 I’ve been saying for a while now Vyner is a liability in the air and that doesn’t help. I’d say Kalas, Fam and to a lesser extend Martin are the only ball winners in the air we have in the entire squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley_Smith10 Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 minute ago, tin said: I’ve been saying for a while now Vyner is a liability in the air and that doesn’t help. I’d say Kalas, Fam and to a lesser extend Martin are the only ball winners in the air we have in the entire squad. Most of the crosses we’ve conceded this season have came from Kalas. For example today he lost his man back stick. His job as a centre half to win headers and clear the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassomylord Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Just now, Finley_Smith10 said: Most of the crosses we’ve conceded this season have came from Kalas. For example today he lost his man back stick. His job as a centre half to win headers and clear the ball bollocks Vyner heavily culpable earlier in the season. Kalas has carried this team so has plenty of credit in the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 minute ago, tin said: I’ve been saying for a while now Vyner is a liability in the air and that doesn’t help. I’d say Kalas, Fam and to a lesser extend Martin are the only ball winners in the air we have in the entire squad. Yet, I believe that we have conceded three goals from corners when Kalas was the guilty party! Yet again tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Finley_Smith10 said: Most of the crosses we’ve conceded this season have came from Kalas. For example today he lost his man back stick. His job as a centre half to win headers and clear the ball Kalas can’t do it all on his own, fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley_Smith10 Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, tin said: Kalas can’t do it all on his own, fella. U said Kalas is one of our ball winners, my opinion is that he’s not all that hyped up aerially. Footballs a game of different opinions so agree to disagree. Gets caught out too much due to a lack of concentration but we’d lose a lot more games without him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, Finley_Smith10 said: U said Kalas is one of our ball winners, my opinion is that he’s not all that hyped up aerially. Footballs a game of different opinions so agree to disagree. Gets caught out too much due to a lack of concentration but we’d lose a lot more games without him He got caught tonight, he won us the game at Cardiff by standing up to Keifer Moore - and in other games as well. He’s won us more points than we’ve lost us so far this season IMO. I don’t see Vyner or Moore ever being anywhere near dominant in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Dazzler Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Bentley rarely comes to claim a cross, if he does he just flaps at it and hopes the ref will give a free kick. He never seems to claim a corner or have any domination of the six yard box, which means the defence get nervous knowing they will have to atone for his lack of quality in commanding the box and handling (not faulting his shot-stopping, tonight's second goal excepted). I would be interested to see what has stats are for cleanly catching crosses when challenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Problem tonight was failing to stop crosses at source, not * yes apart from the first one* defending them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 I’m not entirely convinced it was Kalas’s man that scored. I’d need to look a bit closer if there’s a camera angle but it looked to me as if it was Vyner’s man (or at least, Vyners lack of movement / awareness). Prior to the corner, Luton lined up with 4 in a line. Massengo stays with his man, who stays out. Rowe’s man runs near post, and Rowe goes with - albeit a late reaction! The other 2 Luton players go to the back post. Kalas goes too, but Vyner just stays put. Kalas then sees Vyners man free and makes a move toward him, which then puts him a yard out of position and he jumps under the ball. Basically, Vyner hasn’t marked his man, leaving Kalas with 2, and Kalas then made the split second decision to try to cover the unmarked man nearest the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Harry said: I’m not entirely convinced it was Kalas’s man that scored. I’d need to look a bit closer if there’s a camera angle but it looked to me as if it was Vyner’s man (or at least, Vyners lack of movement / awareness). Prior to the corner, Luton lined up with 4 in a line. Massengo stays with his man, who stays out. Rowe’s man runs near post, and Rowe goes with - albeit a late reaction! The other 2 Luton players go to the back post. Kalas goes too, but Vyner just stays put. Kalas then sees Vyners man free and makes a move toward him, which then puts him a yard out of position and he jumps under the ball. Basically, Vyner hasn’t marked his man, leaving Kalas with 2, and Kalas then made the split second decision to try to cover the unmarked man nearest the goal. That is an effin great spot Harry. That is the danger of marking touch tight in a condensed space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Vyner switches off every game at set pieces. It’s like he doesn’t know what he’s suppose to do so just stands and watches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Our defenders during corners are like cows watching a train go by their field, they have no bloody idea what's going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 I think we’d be better off playing zonal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Sturny said: Our defenders during corners are like cows watching a train go by their field, they have no bloody idea what's going on True . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Harry said: I think we’d be better off playing zonal. Totally agree. It is too easy in the modern game to get sucked into going man-for-man when they bunch 4/5 together. Chris Martin or Fam (whoever is playing) do a great job on the near post. The others then basically zonal mark. By all mean use one player to go with whoever darts towards the near post, but the others watch the runners and the ball, not necessarily their man. A lot of bad press about zonal marking, but only because it was different. Like all defensive systems you gotta work at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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