Dolman_Stand Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 minute ago, italian dave said: I don't follow the 'reduce impact on the NHS....' bit? Surely the NHS isn't paying for Premier League and EFL testing? Me neither, I think what he is getting at is freeing up more testing capacity as footballers wouldn't need testing any longer but I'm not aware testing capacity is under pressure at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 If footballers were vaccinated it would allow them to be even more irresponsible than they are now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Honiton Tony said: Rubbish as always they think they can buy there way up the list Really don’t think that’s the point being made this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Gifford said: There’s a queue mate. .....and there’s the back of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 Not all of what he said is quoted above, he made the point that he didn’t mean getting vaccinated before the most vulnerable, elderly, NHS staff etc, but before the general public for want of a better phrase. But all the money that goes into testing the players gets distributed to the NHS or rolling out the vaccines quicker. He makes some valid points, although when I read it initially, I knew it would be misconstrued & make some headlines. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 It's an interesting point. Instinctively I'd be inclined towards 'no'. However, perhaps it's worth it for the greater good. I don't really agree with his NHS angle, it's too convoluted and in real terms no one would be able to see any benefit impact. I think there's certainly an argument for ensuring sport/entertainment continues - especially during the lockdown period with not much daylight. People are fed up, lonely and bored. Ensuring sport/entertainment continues in some form could be crucial to some people's morale and wellbeing. I think in a worst case scenario and things are still bad in the summer, you could make a far stronger argument for the Olympic athletes taking part in 2021 receiving the jab. It's a huge global event and most people can usually find one sport they like. I agree though that Dyche's idea starts to unravel as you question how far down the pyramid you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 This is the article I read “It's my view, I think vaccination is the way forward throughout football," Dyche said. "The amount of money being spent on testing in the Premier League, if that was channelled back into the NHS and into the vaccination system, surely that's a better place to be than continually testing footballers.“ “I appreciate some people will be surprised by that comment and people will say: 'Why should footballers get vaccinations?' But, if the testing diminishes, that money could be used for a much better cause.” "Football then also remains a competitive industry rather than what might end up as a skewed industry because of players missing from games. It's a common-sense view.“ "Let me make it clear, there are people way in front of footballers [as a priority to be vaccinated]. I'm not remotely suggesting that should be put in front of the welfare of people who are very vulnerable.” "What I'm saying is: Is there a timeline where they can fast-track to that period? Logically, it would be better putting the funding that is put into testing into the system to encourage more vaccinations.“ "That money could be used more wisely, I would suggest, to get it out there quicker to the vulnerable and beyond." as I said, makes some valid points. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Gifford said: There’s a queue mate. If you don’t mind games being called off then fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 Even once you have a vaccination you can still transmit it, so surely they'd still need to be tested to ensure they don't spread it to others not so fortunate to have had a vaccination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 49 minutes ago, Midred said: If footballers were vaccinated it would allow them to be even more irresponsible than they are now! Yes. Sadly true. Even now they still can’t help themselves can they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Bassomylord said: Please refer yourself to the quotes highlighted at the top of this thread. Thanks. Robbored actually has a point for once. The OP even said "a few quotes". In the video of it Dyche does say it shouldn't be a way for them to jump ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 If the players could be trusted to do what everyone else is expected to do then would many games be cancelled? How many other groups of workers could put themselves forward if this went ahead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassomylord Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 18 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Robbored actually has a point for once. The OP even said "a few quotes". In the video of it Dyche does say it shouldn't be a way for them to jump ahead. Refer to my original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 RedM is an essential worker in supermarket. Does she have the privilege of working with her colleagues in a bubble - with tests every week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 That's a no from me, but he certainly needs a few dozen Strepsils that bloke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Bassomylord said: Refer to my original post. Dyche doesn't say footballers should jump ahead of them you imbecile. Try reading or listening to the full thing FFS. You don't have to agree with him, that's fine, but your criticism of what he said is based off of something he has said should NOT be the case. ******* hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 29 minutes ago, TomF said: Even once you have a vaccination you can still transmit it, so surely they'd still need to be tested to ensure they don't spread it to others not so fortunate to have had a vaccination. Indeed. This is the crucial point i think many are missing or just don’t know about. Being vaccinated still means you can transmit the virus so unless you vaccinate every single person involved on match day backroom staff ,stewards etc etc then Dyche’s argument isn’t going to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassomylord Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Dyche doesn't say footballers should jump ahead of them you imbecile. Try reading or listening to the full thing FFS. You don't have to agree with him, that's fine, but your criticism of what he said is based off of something he has said should NOT be the case. ******* hell. Deep breaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bassomylord said: Deep breaths. JamesBCFC is 100% correct on this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Dyche doesn't say footballers should jump ahead of them you imbecile. Try reading or listening to the full thing FFS. You don't have to agree with him, that's fine, but your criticism of what he said is based off of something he has said should NOT be the case. ******* hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassomylord Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Midred said: If footballers were vaccinated it would allow them to be even more irresponsible than they are now! Too true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Phileas Fogg said: It had already been explained clearly two times to them that the criticism they were using was invalid (and there are valid issues with what Dyche has said that others have raised). They then went with a dismissive response to me, I make no apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassomylord Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 Just now, JamesBCFC said: It had already been explained clearly two times to them that the criticism they were using was invalid (and there are valid issues with what Dyche has said that others have raised). They then went with a dismissive response to me, I make no apologies. Exhale slowly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Bassomylord said: Exhale slowly. You've learned to read now then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassomylord Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: You've learned to read now then? Trying too hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, glos old boy said: So give 100 odd millionaire footballers the vac before the millions of others in the queue certainly more deserving folk like me; 68yr copd and battling bowel cancer........yes sounds like a great plan...........NOT. and the reason for jumping the queue MONEY. Wait in line like the rest of us. That’s not what he is saying though. Someone like yourself should be at the front of the que. It’s after the obvious most vulnerable or most warranted people (NHS) he is talking about. As I said earlier, it’s being misconstrued. A few have mentioned on here, there may be other things to consider, can vaccinated people still pass Covid on to others etc? But I think he makes a common sense suggestion, certainly worth at least thinking about. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon79 Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 Let’s put it another way, if by doing this it speeded up the production or distribution of the vaccine ( which is what he’s suggesting) Would it be a good idea? Can anyone say no to that question? I appreciate what people probably more in the know than myself have said about vaccinated people still being carriers, but certainly not the most craziest of ideas if possible. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, TomF said: Even once you have a vaccination you can still transmit it, so surely they'd still need to be tested to ensure they don't spread it to others not so fortunate to have had a vaccination. Please do correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding was that it wasn't known if the vaccine prevented transmission rather than it was known that the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission? Obviously, in practical terms, it doesn't make a difference in this case as you'd still need to assume someone vaccinated could transmit unless you knew otherwise but I keep seeing people stating that people who've had the vaccine can still transmit it whereas I thought it was hoped - and theoretically very possible - that the vaccine would prevent transmission but this was yet to be proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 32 minutes ago, Robbored said: JamesBCFC is 100% correct on this topic. Close the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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