James54De Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 22 minutes ago, big dosser said: THIS WILL UPSET THE APPLE CART BUT IM GETTING FED UP OF THE FEEL SORRY FOR ME STORIES AND IF YOUR WHITE AND YOU DONT AGREE THEN YOU MUST BE RACIST OR RIGHT WING WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOX THE ONLY KNEE I WILL TAKE IS FOR THE QUEEN OR THE NEXT CITY MANAGER TO GET US TO THE PROMISE LAND KNOW MATTER WHAT BLOODY COLOUR HE IS The wall to wall hypocrisy that we are being drowned in today from the world globalist media is nothing short of stunning. A Black man dies while being arrested and the Leftwing extremists riot, murdering police officers and members of the public while rampaging through America cities leaving devastation fire and dead bodies in their wake. According to corporate mass media, Black Lives Matter riots and violence are actually “peaceful protests.” Virtue signallers the world over pay tribute … why? Because they’re Black! A White girl is gunned down by police while actually ‘ protesting in the senate and Trump supporters are condemned as rioters. There is no mention of the slaying of Ashley Babbitt . Instead, there was only condemnation of what was overwhelmingly a huge protest OH AND LETS NOT FORGET ALL THE BLM PROTEST WITH COVID IN THE AIR WHICH NO ONES SEEMS TO MENTION RANT OVER The capital letters and the bold writing really helped you get the point across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dredd Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, big dosser said: THIS WILL UPSET THE APPLE CART BUT IM GETTING FED UP OF THE FEEL SORRY FOR ME STORIES AND IF YOUR WHITE AND YOU DONT AGREE THEN YOU MUST BE RACIST OR RIGHT WING WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOX THE ONLY KNEE I WILL TAKE IS FOR THE QUEEN OR THE NEXT CITY MANAGER TO GET US TO THE PROMISE LAND KNOW MATTER WHAT BLOODY COLOUR HE IS The wall to wall hypocrisy that we are being drowned in today from the world globalist media is nothing short of stunning. A Black man dies while being arrested and the Leftwing extremists riot, murdering police officers and members of the public while rampaging through America cities leaving devastation fire and dead bodies in their wake. According to corporate mass media, Black Lives Matter riots and violence are actually “peaceful protests.” Virtue signallers the world over pay tribute … why? Because they’re Black! A White girl is gunned down by police while actually ‘ protesting in the senate and Trump supporters are condemned as rioters. There is no mention of the slaying of Ashley Babbitt . Instead, there was only condemnation of what was overwhelmingly a huge protest OH AND LETS NOT FORGET ALL THE BLM PROTEST WITH COVID IN THE AIR WHICH NO ONES SEEMS TO MENTION RANT OVER Literally broke into a government building, while the entirety of the American congress was there, through the doors and windows after building a gallows outside, while armed. So yes they were rioters. If you don’t think it deserves the condemnation it’s got then I’ve got nothing for you. Ashley Babbitt broke into a federal building illegally, and got shot while trying to climb through the window of the Congressional Hall that was locked and barricaded. I’d expect that to happen in the UK if she broke into parliament let alone in a country where everyone and his dog is armed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 51 minutes ago, big dosser said: THIS WILL UPSET THE APPLE CART BUT IM GETTING FED UP OF THE FEEL SORRY FOR ME STORIES AND IF YOUR WHITE AND YOU DONT AGREE THEN YOU MUST BE RACIST OR RIGHT WING WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOX THE ONLY KNEE I WILL TAKE IS FOR THE QUEEN OR THE NEXT CITY MANAGER TO GET US TO THE PROMISE LAND KNOW MATTER WHAT BLOODY COLOUR HE IS The wall to wall hypocrisy that we are being drowned in today from the world globalist media is nothing short of stunning. A Black man dies while being arrested and the Leftwing extremists riot, murdering police officers and members of the public while rampaging through America cities leaving devastation fire and dead bodies in their wake. According to corporate mass media, Black Lives Matter riots and violence are actually “peaceful protests.” Virtue signallers the world over pay tribute … why? Because they’re Black! A White girl is gunned down by police while actually ‘ protesting in the senate and Trump supporters are condemned as rioters. There is no mention of the slaying of Ashley Babbitt . Instead, there was only condemnation of what was overwhelmingly a huge protest OH AND LETS NOT FORGET ALL THE BLM PROTEST WITH COVID IN THE AIR WHICH NO ONES SEEMS TO MENTION RANT OVER Once upon a time, an unhinged man wrote something on the internet. The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Bong Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 I have a Norwegian mate that thinks it's utterly bizarre that we are all absolutely OBSESSED with racism in the UK. Even things nothing to do with race are turned into a racial issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinny Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 It's very brave of him to literally stand up like this. He acknowledges the issues but wants them dealt with in sane manner. And he's willing to spend his time and effort actually doing something. Very commendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 6 hours ago, big dosser said: THIS WILL UPSET THE APPLE CART BUT IM GETTING FED UP OF THE FEEL SORRY FOR ME STORIES AND IF YOUR WHITE AND YOU DONT AGREE THEN YOU MUST BE RACIST OR RIGHT WING WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOX THE ONLY KNEE I WILL TAKE IS FOR THE QUEEN OR THE NEXT CITY MANAGER TO GET US TO THE PROMISE LAND KNOW MATTER WHAT BLOODY COLOUR HE IS The wall to wall hypocrisy that we are being drowned in today from the world globalist media is nothing short of stunning. A Black man dies while being arrested and the Leftwing extremists riot, murdering police officers and members of the public while rampaging through America cities leaving devastation fire and dead bodies in their wake. According to corporate mass media, Black Lives Matter riots and violence are actually “peaceful protests.” Virtue signallers the world over pay tribute … why? Because they’re Black! A White girl is gunned down by police while actually ‘ protesting in the senate and Trump supporters are condemned as rioters. There is no mention of the slaying of Ashley Babbitt . Instead, there was only condemnation of what was overwhelmingly a huge protest OH AND LETS NOT FORGET ALL THE BLM PROTEST WITH COVID IN THE AIR WHICH NO ONES SEEMS TO MENTION RANT OVER Ashley Babbitt was a rioter who broke into a federal building - she was dealt with accordingly. Please don’t try and tell me she wasn’t in the wrong she got shot dead just like any black , white , hispanic or any other race of individual would if they broke into the Capitol as part of a rioting mob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 8 hours ago, big dosser said: A White girl is gunned down by police while actually ‘ protesting in the senate and Trump supporters are condemned as rioters. There is no mention of the slaying of Ashley Babbitt . Instead, there was only condemnation of what was overwhelmingly a huge protest Babbitt broke into a federal building and threatened law enforcement officers to such an extent they shot her. I note no sympathy expressed for the dead police officer, killed by a protestor. Honestly, some of the responses to this thread make me shudder with fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 10 hours ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said: It's not worth debating with any of them they are apparently correct on Brexit being wrong, pro Corbyn, pro Starmer, anti Covid, Anti Boris etc etc So you are "pro-COVID", then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 There was a white man in the US who died in exactly the same way as George Floyd a few years before. Without using Google, could anyone tell me his name? This was a story after the George Floyd killing whereby the family of the white man wanted to know why no justice was ever served on the officer that killed their son, and the answer is no rioted over it or launched a campaign against it. What is the difference? I’m not saying white supremacy doesn’t exist in some areas, and it is quite clear racism exists, but what I am saying is I have never evidently witnessed it. I know as many white people living in poverty as black or Asian. I have never given someone a job because of ethnicity and have employed people from all types of backgrounds. What annoys me if that nowadays I am seen as racist for not letting the colour of someone’s skin affect my opinion on them. Apparently not being racist ‘is not enough’?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 Football chat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: Football chat? Agreed. Mods, please move this. Or delete, it's getting pretty nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 22 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: There was a white man in the US who died in exactly the same way as George Floyd a few years before. Without using Google, could anyone tell me his name? This was a story after the George Floyd killing whereby the family of the white man wanted to know why no justice was ever served on the officer that killed their son, and the answer is no rioted over it or launched a campaign against it. What is the difference? GEORGE FLOYD MURDER WAS THE STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMELS BACK I’m not saying white supremacy doesn’t exist in some areas, and it is quite clear racism exists, but what I am saying is I have never evidently witnessed it. I know as many white people living in poverty as black or Asian. I have never given someone a job because of ethnicity and have employed people from all types of backgrounds. GOOD. What annoys me if that nowadays I am seen as racist for not letting the colour of someone’s skin affect my opinion on them. Apparently not being racist ‘is not enough’?! NOT BEING RACIST IS ENOUGH. IF YOU ARENT THEN WELL DONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Rocker Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 This thread reminds me why I've never visited the politics forum (or what ever it's called) section on OTIB. Not that racial prejudice or the opposition to it have anything to do with politics, but hey ho. There are lots of really good posters on here whose opinions and views on football I value and admire. It would be so disappointing to discover any of these people are blinkered, bigoted ignoramuses. I'd rather not know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks' Barmy Army Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, SecretSam said: So you are "pro-COVID", then? Ahh here is my case in point You know what I meant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks' Barmy Army Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, City Rocker said: This thread reminds me why I've never visited the politics forum (or what ever it's called) section on OTIB. Not that racial prejudice or the opposition to it have anything to do with politics, but hey ho. There are lots of really good posters on here whose opinions and views on football I value and admire. It would be so disappointing to discover any of these people are blinkered, bigoted ignoramuses. I'd rather not know. You are so right @City Rocker It is like a little boys club over there, there are a few posters that are so self obsessed with their views that they talk more and more rubbish. I expect most of them are tucked up in their bedroom with their parents downstairs The best thing is how those people offer nothing on the football side of the forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said: Ahh here is my case in point You know what I meant Nope. As for "case in point", what on earth are you on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said: Ahh here is my case in point You know what I meant Getting yourself in a bit of a tangle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big dosser Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 9 hours ago, And Its Smith said: Once upon a time, an unhinged man wrote something on the internet. The end. i must be unhinged following city for over 35 years, long enough to make anyone stir crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big dosser Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, SecretSam said: Agreed. Mods, please move this. Or delete, it's getting pretty nasty its not getting nasty just a bit tasty, we all have different views and opinions but im not going to chuck the toys out the pram because we disagree i respect everyone's opinion agree or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 2 hours ago, formerly known as ivan said: There was a white man in the US who died in exactly the same way as George Floyd a few years before. Without using Google, could anyone tell me his name? This was a story after the George Floyd killing whereby the family of the white man wanted to know why no justice was ever served on the officer that killed their son, and the answer is no rioted over it or launched a campaign against it. What is the difference? I’m not saying white supremacy doesn’t exist in some areas, and it is quite clear racism exists, but what I am saying is I have never evidently witnessed it. I know as many white people living in poverty as black or Asian. I have never given someone a job because of ethnicity and have employed people from all types of backgrounds. What annoys me if that nowadays I am seen as racist for not letting the colour of someone’s skin affect my opinion on them. Apparently not being racist ‘is not enough’?! The difference is likely the frequency that it happens. It disproportionately happens to black people in America (note, all killings by police when trying to arrest someone who is complying with them are wrong). But the numbers show black people are killed far more often by the police in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 36 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: The difference is likely the frequency that it happens. It disproportionately happens to black people in America (note, all killings by police when trying to arrest someone who is complying with them are wrong). But the numbers show black people are killed far more often by the police in America. Any comment on David Dorn at all by those BLM protests? A Black police officer murdered by the looters. Nope, not a thing... It is either you are with us or you are racist regardless of whether you are white or black with a lot of these BLM riots. Like how Micah Richards was hammered on social media, like how QPR were hammered, like how John Barnes was. It's a political aim to disrupt and I am under no illusion that the riots in DC were a disgrace, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 41 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: The difference is likely the frequency that it happens. It disproportionately happens to black people in America (note, all killings by police when trying to arrest someone who is complying with them are wrong). But the numbers show black people are killed far more often by the police in America. Unless you have spent any significant time in the states or have family there that have experienced it FIRST HAND us Brits really haven’t a clue what it is like as a non-white in America. I wish bigoted ignorant British people would stop commenting from the comfort if their suburban British home on a the subject they clearly do not have a clue about. Its war on the streets in the inner cities over there people - trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Alan Dicks' Barmy Army said: You are so right @City Rocker It is like a little boys club over there, there are a few posters that are so self obsessed with their views that they talk more and more rubbish. I expect most of them are tucked up in their bedroom with their parents downstairs The best thing is how those people offer nothing on the football side of the forum Err the accepted boring insult is actually that people are in their parents basements, not that they're upstairs. Lazy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 41 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: But the numbers show black people are killed far more often by the police in America. I’m not disagreeing with you but can you please post the evidence of this , keep seeing it pop up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 37 minutes ago, Wiltshire robin said: I’m not disagreeing with you but can you please post the evidence of this , keep seeing it pop up https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ Black/African Americans are just 13.4% of the population, from the 2019 census. Whites over 60%. So with 4x less black people the numbers of them shot to death by police are roughly half as many as they are for white people, meaning it is 2x more likely to happen to a black person. The precise numbers would actually be more skewed to a higher rate. (60.1/13.4 gives 4.485..., so 4.49x (at 3 significant figures) more white people than black people. 4 year average of 414.5 white people killed by police, 4 year average of 223.25 black people killed. 223.25/414.5 0.5386... so 0.539 at 3 s.f. 0.539x4.49 is 2.42011. Making the deaths of black people at the hands of police 2.42011 times more likely when you account for their total make up of the population). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 50 minutes ago, 2015 said: Any comment on David Dorn at all by those BLM protests? A Black police officer murdered by the looters. Nope, not a thing... It is either you are with us or you are racist regardless of whether you are white or black with a lot of these BLM riots. Like how Micah Richards was hammered on social media, like how QPR were hammered, like how John Barnes was. It's a political aim to disrupt and I am under no illusion that the riots in DC were a disgrace, as well. none of that is relevant to what I said. No police should have been killed by protesters, whether by BLM or by the insane Trumpists. You're trying to make an argument that you do not have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Leigh of Somerset Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 Does this help? https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ This may be a carp source and/or I may be reading it wrongly altogether. However, if it's accurate, it shows that while more white people than black people are killed by the police in the USA, the death rate (ie deaths per million of the population) is much higher for black people than it is for white people or hispanic people or asian people. (Apols - took too long writing this and it's been posted!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Sir Leigh of Somerset said: Does this help? https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ This may be a carp source and/or I may be reading it wrongly altogether. However, if it's accurate, it shows that while more white people than black people are killed by the police in the USA, the death rate (ie deaths per million of the population) is much higher for black people than it is for white people or hispanic people or asian people. (Apols - took too long writing this and it's been posted!!) not the only source either, there is also https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793 Notable lines Quote Our results show that people of color face a higher likelihood of being killed by police than do white men and women, that risk peaks in young adulthood, and that men of color face a nontrivial lifetime risk of being killed by police. Quote Black men are about 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police over the life course than are white men. Black women are about 1.4 times more likely to be killed by police than are white women. (the numbers for black men being very close to what I worked out above). Quote Among all groups, black men and boys face the highest lifetime risk of being killed by police. and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/ Quote Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims. Quote Victims were predominantly male (96.1%) with a mean age of 36.7 years. Although a majority were white, black victims were over-represented (32.4%) relative to the U.S. population.f36 Blacks had 2.8 times the rate of legal intervention death compared with whites; The numbers here slightly higher than I had worked out, but I believe from slightly older data. Quote Black victims were significantly more likely to be unarmed than white or Hispanic victims. Black victims were also significantly less likely than whites to have posed an immediate threat to LE. (Law Enforcement) Another interesting line Quote In most cases, at least one involved officer was white (84.3%), with fewer cases involving a black officer (13.6%) or an officer of another race/ethnicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tts_city Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 All very interesting, whats it got to do with the UK and the current kneeling tokenism before each game ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 16 hours ago, BCFCGav said: I vow not to argue on otib and I won’t but I have to bite here. Especially when you can that casually call people of colour ‘blacks’. Please share your evidence that BLM support ‘black supremacy’. That is really interesting. I recently used the "people of colour" phrase thinking this was correct, only to be told of by a friend of my kids (who with Caribbean heritage should know) that this was insulting and I should use the term black ?? I can't keep up. I just don't understand why it is wrong to say "all lives matter" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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