Silvio Dante Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 I knew stopping buying Boosters on Candy Crush would have a positive impact on all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Never liked Derby but wouldn’t wish administration on any club’s fans. I wonder what sort of salary Rooney is on?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Administrator's Derby County Football Club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassomylord Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Won't happen because its Derby County. Too bigger club. Deluded ownership and deluded fans, have no sympathy for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephjnr Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, Midred said: Administrator's Derby County Football Club? Deloitte County. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Thought they were being taken over by a wealthy Middle Eastern backer - it’s not wallys brother is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 26 minutes ago, Bobbie said: Never liked Derby but wouldn’t wish administration on any club’s fans. I wonder what sort of salary Rooney is on?? £100k per week isn’t? IIRC the idea was that Derby’s shirt sponsor increased their sponsorship deal by an amount sufficient to cover WR’s salary. As they can’t pay this directly to the player/coach ( 3rd party ownership and FFP) it has to go into Derby’s coffers, where it is swallowed up covering all the other overheads and the rest of the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 33 minutes ago, Bobbie said: Never liked Derby but wouldn’t wish administration on any club’s fans. I wonder what sort of salary Rooney is on?? And therein lies part of the problem. I say part because of the sponsorship deals etc, but is it really that much of a surprise with that owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Bassomylord said: Won't happen because its Derby County. Too bigger club. Deluded ownership and deluded fans, have no sympathy for them. I don’t see Derby that big of a club to be honest. They’ve never travelled well down here either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, Lew-T said: I don’t see Derby that big of a club to be honest. They’ve never travelled well down here either! I can remember going up there a about 10 years ago, 28k pretty much sold out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 They’ll be in big big trouble if they get a points deduction. Think they’re still top 5/6 for wages in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, Bassomylord said: Won't happen because its Derby County. Too bigger club. Deluded ownership and deluded fans, have no sympathy for them. It might not happen, and if it does then sadly they are likely to be one of many clubs to go into administration. However, if it does it will be karma for the jiggery pokery and financial shenanigans they got up to over the “sale” of Pride Park in order to wiggle around ffp and escape serious punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Not too much sympathy on this thread and rightly so. Haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busterrimes Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, Lew-T said: I don’t see Derby that big of a club to be honest. They’ve never travelled well down here either! I saw them bring 4-5K in the 90s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busterrimes Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, downendcity said: It might not happen, and if it does then sadly they are likely to be one of many clubs to go into administration. However, if it does it will be karma for the jiggery pokery and financial shenanigans they got up to over the “sale” of Pride Park in order to wiggle around ffp and escape serious punishment. That is the weird thing. They are so badly run that even with the ground con they may still go into Administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 27 minutes ago, downendcity said: £100k per week isn’t? IIRC the idea was that Derby’s shirt sponsor increased their sponsorship deal by an amount sufficient to cover WR’s salary. As they can’t pay this directly to the player/coach ( 3rd party ownership and FFP) it has to go into Derby’s coffers, where it is swallowed up covering all the other overheads and the rest of the squad. As I recall, £100k per week sounds right- however the sponsor 32Red were covering all but £20k of it. It could have been £80k-£20k weekly, would have to doublecheck but it's big money either way! 18 month deal, above a number of PL clubs shirt sponsorship deals- to say nothing of all the other clubs sponsored by 32Red! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 19 minutes ago, petehinton said: They’ll be in big big trouble if they get a points deduction. Think they’re still top 5/6 for wages in the league. Admin constitutes an automatic 12 point deduction. That would surely lead to certain relegation. Who knows if there would be further punishment for non-payment or late payment of wages- could we see a firesale of their better players too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBibs Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Fans have been struggling to get season ticket refunds too. Makes me realise we have a lot to be thankful for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Their fans definitely wouldn't agree with me, but they would surely be best off taking the 12 point hit, and looking to rebuild- a long hard road yes, but to rebuild in League One. Strong academy, keep some and sell some- sound footing, new prudent owner and they would work their way back I expect. Also an interesting post- when Mel Morris took over he inherited an excellent scenario! On their forum. Quote If you want to defend Mel then that's fine, but in 2014 we were a club on the verge of promotion with financial stability. It now appears we cannot afford to pay players wages at all. His heart might have been in the right place but he's got it wrong. Horribly wrong. Both him and Chansiri at Sheffield Wednesday took over clubs in an excellent and a stable position respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 I think that the big question is why would anyone buy Derby County at this time? No guarantee of Championship football next year. No final resolution of FFP issues with EFL, no resolution of Dell investment in two clubs, vast cash investment to pay wages .... potentail further EFL action in respect of non-payment of wages ... A buyout from administration will also need to deal with the assets charged to the secured lenders, the 'crook fron Switzerland' and Dell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Think you hit the nail on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosey Boy Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 for admin and a point deduction.....be good to see them relegated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Happy to correct myself slightly on Rooney. His wages will be accounted for as part of the total wage bill in the accounts. Whether it was £80k in total per week with £60k per week out of sponsorship or £100k per week with £80k per week out of sponsorship I can't recall. How it would be accounted for I expect, is appearing in the wages with a big bump in the Commercial revenue. Unclear if that commercial revenue bump would expire when Rooney's contract does or if it would it outlive it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Have a word with Brighton and say we'll actually pay Clarke's wages if Brighton were to recall him and send him to us on loan. Then make a cheeky bid for him in the summer... sorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: I knew stopping buying Boosters on Candy Crush would have a positive impact on all of us. Sought another loan from LSD? Must be out of their minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Other than the stuff with the ground sale I've not really been following this. What's the crack? Morris running out of money or just not willing to put any more in? Or does FFP mean he can't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 24 minutes ago, Lrrr said: Have a word with Brighton and say we'll actually pay Clarke's wages if Brighton were to recall him and send him to us on loan. Then make a cheeky bid for him in the summer... sorted Clarke would be nice! Tbh despite their position a few players there who certainly I wouldn't mind seeing in a City shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Other than the stuff with the ground sale I've not really been following this. What's the crack? Morris running out of money or just not willing to put any more in? Or does FFP mean he can't? The former I think. I assume he is funding them up to and including FFP limits. General funding there's no limit on, but that would basically be Balance Sheet or Cash Flow. Owner loans that sort of thing. Again he can put in as much equity as he likes but beyond the limits, the rest doesn't count towards FFP. Might also add, a couple of interesting theories on Derby forum (or couple of straws being clutched). 1) This is brinkmanship by Morris to force the new would be owners to get it through and now. 2) Michael Dell will inherit the club and all its assets given the loans secured against these. Whether he has any ambitions in this respect who the hell knows! Given he has loaned many clubs cash through MSD, I'd be surprised. Also theories that it could be a secondary attempt to pressure Dell to agree if his loans are a stumbling block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Clarke would be nice! Tbh despite their position a few players there who certainly I wouldn't mind seeing in a City shirt. No doubt but I expect most we'd be looking at so would others, but think Clarke will soon be on the verge of thinking if he's not going to be getting in Brighton's team with the emergence of White he may look to settle elsewhere ala Kalas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 Nixon. Apologies for the source. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/13737376/derby-knight-sibley-pay-wages-wayne-rooney-administration/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunfootballtwitter&utm_source=Twitter Might have to sell players such as Knight and Sibley in order to pay wages. It mentions administration or what I said about MSD gaining the club being possible. Says 14 day notice for players being able to leave due to unpaid wages can soon be invoked. Mentions EFL and possible punishment in the form of points deductions if that happens. Also says in the article: "County are set to speak to the EFL about their issues in an attempt to avoid punishment." Give no quarter, says I. I see no justification here! What do we think @chinapig@Davefevs @downendcity @Hxj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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