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7 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I’ve only read Gregor’s transcript....want to listen to the audio later, to hear how he sounds.  The words appear to say “I’m effin pissed off with it”!

Yep, fair point I’ve only read it too. But I agree, certainly doesn’t read like a happy man! 

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20 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

No idea really.  It’s way beyond my knowledge areas.

However as I understand it, pre-season is meant to put a full charge into your battery, so you only need topping up mid season.

That's how I see it, but I thought Holden had pretty much said we did light fitness training between games, may have dreamt it.
It seems strange we've had 4 hamstring tears (3 during games TBF), 2/3 other long term muscle problems sustained on the training pitch. That makes it look like they are over exerting  in training. Not sure we'll ever know until the backroom staff are sacked en mass.

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57 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

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Ok, let’s put some stuff we’ve been told by the club:

Holden was involved in preparing pre-season, as there was no appointment at that point.  It was done in conjunction with Andrew Rolls we were told.

Now, conjecture on my part.....Holden would’ve primarily been advised by Rolls from a pure fitness and conditioning point of view.  I would imagine Dean would be working out how the football but would fit in / compliment the fitness side.  I’m sure Patrick Orme would have input too, as the conditioning guy.

Now, back to training.  Will comprise warm-up, fitness, football, warm-down in a simplistic schedule.  Some may be combined, e.g. fitness with football to make it seem less like fitness work.

Patrick Orme runs the “fitness” elements of the days training....we’ve seen plenty of video of him leading these sessions.  He’s also there when they’re doing football bits too.

What we don’t know is who constructs each days training, but we’ve been told the coaches and fitness team meet daily to review data and plan the session.

Now, more conjecture on my part.  Dean is not a fitness specialist.  He will have to be guided by the fitness team.  If he ignores them when they say a player is fatigued then he’s stupid.  But we don’t know that.

this is the team involved with the first team (for info):

Head of Performance: Andy Rolls
Head Physiotherapist: Andrew Proctor
First Team Physiotherapist: Gill Holt
Head of Fitness & Conditioning: Patrick Orme

Proctor is seen on the training too.

A good and fair summary of things Dave. Thanks. 

Perhaps, when adding in the extra info from your earlier post of what Dean has said about the injuries, the club are looking at the overall performance/qualities and decisions making of the whole fitness set up in terms of their input to the training schedule.   I'm not question their qualifications, certainly Gill has been around the team for years in a fitness capacity but something must be wrong and at the end of the day, has to be identified quickly and changed ASAP. 

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35 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

We do have a recall option.

Joking aside, if we’re not going to sign anyone, George Nurse surely should be recalled and integrated into the squad? Tbh I’ve never seen him play but he’s a full back and has league experience which is more than the majority of our bench have. 

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Courtesy of Tim Shires

 

Just now, Bobbie said:

Joking aside, if we’re not going to sign anyone, George Nurse surely should be recalled and integrated into the squad? Tbh I’ve never seen him play but he’s a full back and has league experience which is more than the majority of our bench have. 

Agree

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6 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

 

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Reading between the lines DH is clearly concerned about injury list and is consequently doing due diligence into what the explanations are.

He obviously has various theories/suspicions but what those suspicions are remain undisclosed.

That of course leaves it wide open to wild speculation and conjecture.......food and drink for otib users.

 

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40 minutes ago, Bobbie said:

Joking aside, if we’re not going to sign anyone, George Nurse surely should be recalled and integrated into the squad? Tbh I’ve never seen him play but he’s a full back and has league experience which is more than the majority of our bench have. 

Seen him. Looks decent going forward and quick, a decent height too. 
For his own personal safety he should refuse to come back though!!!! ?

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2 hours ago, Harry said:

It’s ok. I’m sure our incredible recruitment team will have a lengthy list of expensive has-beens and no-marks to tempt in, who will be ever so excited about the “ambitious project” they’re sold. 

Our recruitment isn't that bad...anyone would think we're bottom of the League etc.

Not saying it's that fantastic either, probably fairly middling.

From a financial sell on perspective, it's more problematic- but injuries have not helped in this respect. I also question our development, and poor development can see value lost!

Has Massengo regressed? I'd suggest he has. Has Moore regressed from first half of 2019/20? Again probably- could we have developed these better to date.

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I also wonder how significant the lack of rotation was at the start of the season. Two games a week, following  only a short pre-season, after a small off season and one of the toughest end to a season in terms of a the number of games in a short period of time. 

I remember DH telling Twentyman in his first interview how he wanted a settled side, suggesting that he would not repeat LJ’s over rotation, and in turn appease fans - as this was (a pretty fair) criticism of LJ for much of his tenure - But given the context of this season it always felt like rotation would be needed to avoid injuries more than ever. Especially true as Delano suggested that he wanted to play a high intensity pressing game. Which in turn would need a large focus on high intensity of running in training to deliver that.  I feel Dean’s quotes throws the conditioning team under the bus a little without any self-reflection. To be fair who would.....

Who knows but the likes of Patto, AW, Kalas, O’Dowda had played a large number of games in a short period of time which can’t help. 

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43 minutes ago, Taz said:

Are we going to have enough players to name a team? At this rate we'll be playing a 1 2 1 formation.

At this rate DH will be posting on OTIB asking who’s available, fit and has a pair of boots.

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5 minutes ago, Red & Gold said:

I also wonder how significant the lack of rotation was at the start of the season. Two games a week, following  only a short pre-season, after a small off season and one of the toughest end to a season in terms of a the number of games in a short period of time. 

I remember DH telling Twentyman in his first interview how he wanted a settled side, suggesting that he would not repeat LJ’s over rotation, and in turn appease fans - as this was (a pretty fair) criticism of LJ for much of his tenure - But given the context of this season it always felt like rotation would be needed to avoid injuries more than ever. Especially true as Delano suggested that he wanted to play a high intensity pressing game. Which in turn would need a large focus on high intensity of running in training to deliver that.  I feel Dean’s quotes throws the conditioning team under the bus a little without any self-reflection. To be fair who would.....

Who knows but the likes of Patto, AW, Kalas, O’Dowda had played a large number of games in a short period of time which can’t help. 

Which begs the question, if it was down to over-playing, why can Vyner, Semenyo, Rowe and Nagy seemingly cope with the workload without their hamstring becoming detached from the bone?!! In fact Nagy has probably done more work than the whole lot of them. Mawson, tbf, was a genuine injury which probably does fall into the "unlucky" category. Dasilva is a known problem that seemingly comes and goes until and unless he can have an operation to fix it? But as others have said we aren't generally suffering "stress" injuries caused by over work, the sort that sees you strain muscles and end up out for 2-3 weeks and which you might expect from lack of rotation. The majority of our muscle injuries seem to be tears and either "half seasoners" or "season enders" and when that happens you really do have to look at the Strength and Conditioning side of things.

There are two issues that go against your point in that firstly we certainly do not play a high intensity pressing game whether that was the plan or not (I cannot believe we would train like that during the week and go low block on a Saturday) and secondly both Joe Williams and Liam Walsh have not played a minute this season and cannot get back to fitness......................so then you are also looking at rehabilitation (which I believe is Joe Williams gripe). The fact that Holden has now made the comments he has made in direct reference to Joe Williams suggests he is becoming frustrated with a problem that he has presumably seen and noticed for too long and for which he has previously kept his mouth shut. He may have reflected a lot more than you give him credit for. Holden isn't stupid, he knows the score with the fans view of his appointment, he knows he has a hard enough job to win many people over as it is and he certainly knows that the equivalent of going into a Boxing Ring to fight with both hands tied behind his back isn't going to get the job done for him and his family.

In a world where bang average players get paid £15K per week for being, well, bang average, if it was my football club (and let's be fair we are at the behest of one man here) I would certainly be looking at spending £30K or whatever it would be for some "expert" in the field to undertake a root and branch investigation into the fitness and conditioning side of the football club. If the Report came back and basically said "the club are doing all the right things, it's nothing more than plain bad luck" then fair enough, still money well spent to find that out and put the issue to bed in my view. However, this catalogue of serious injuries over a sustained period of time does make you wonder though and surely requires the right questions to be asked?

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These type of injuries are just happening far too often. I’m not sure it’s the medical team as such, more the type of training. I’ve seen footage of the failand uncuts they have done in the past and some of the stretches, jumps and leaps over hurdles seem a bit excessive. Is this necessary? 
 

What ever happened to simple injuries like tripping over your BBQ....

*Cough Louis*

 

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28 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

These type of injuries are just happening far too often. I’m not sure it’s the medical team as such, more the type of training. I’ve seen footage of the failand uncuts they have done in the past and some of the stretches, jumps and leaps over hurdles seem a bit excessive. Is this necessary? 
 

What ever happened to simple injuries like tripping over your BBQ....

*Cough Louis*

 

Think you have to drop it.

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Maybe they just fancy playing. Let’s be honest watching it is pretty dull without the fans. 
 

Just maybe they find it pretty dull as well.  What’s the point without fans. We are just putting up with it because it’s better than no football but only just.

Not even transfers to liven it up. I am sure some of the players feel the same. A slight injury and it’s an excuse not to play for a few weeks.

I would love to be a professional footballer I am sure we all would but in empty stadiums...

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On 13/01/2021 at 18:28, ncnsbcfc said:

Just heard from a mate that Pring has torn his hamstring. Leaves us very short at Left Back.

Can't find anything confirming this.

Anyone heard anything?

Can't believe how many hamstring injuries we have had this season.

How tall is Pring? I thought it was Jay Dasilva who left us short at Left Back.

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On 13/01/2021 at 18:28, ncnsbcfc said:

Just heard from a mate that Pring has torn his hamstring. Leaves us very short at Left Back.

Can't find anything confirming this.

Anyone heard anything?

Can't believe how many hamstring injuries we have had this season.

A true rumour on OTIB?

 

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6 hours ago, Robbored said:

Other clubs have injuries - City have been more unlucky than most tho. 

I remember not too long ago being hit by a similar curse and at that time no local hack wrote an article on it........

You're deluded if you think this is just bad luck. 

Blind to the obvious. 

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9 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

Until recently, I felt we were unlucky but we should not have this many injuries and nor should they last as long as they do.

There are some - Mawson, Weimann for example - that could not be helped but how can we have so many persistent niggling injuries that last forever.

Starting to wonder if Brunt agreed to cancel his contract to avoid risking working with our medical team...

I'm not so sure about that.  Remember Afobe did his knee in a freak incident in training too.   If you overload some muscles and do not work others sufficiently then you will get imbalances in your body.  Maybe some of the drills need reviewing?  Maybe the try some half-arsed yoga, when they need a proper teacher in?   Whatever the **** they are doing they need to review it urgently.  Shambles.  And the lack of communication speaks volumes.  They ain't got a scooby. 

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