Davefevs Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 Forgetting individuals tonight, as a team, for all the good things Saturday, we were poor tonight. Lack of physicality a big problem, which was a shame, because when we did show a little bit, it really put Norwich off their stride....just not for long enough. I really wanted someone to “boot” one of their players. Wasn't a “we went down fighting” performance was it. Guessing we will see some changes for cup games Saturday. Link to comment
BCFCGav Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, bexhill reds said: Millwall away. Cup run over I have a good feeling. Link to comment
Major Isewater Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 We had less penetration than a eunuchs orgy and front line that made glaciers look quick. We lack energy, invention and sharpness. Bentley, Kalas and Mawson played well. The others are just not firing. Link to comment
Blackbird1 Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, bexhill reds said: Millwall away. Cup run over Far from it . Link to comment
spudski Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 The difference between us and Norwich was huge. They were an organised side that made it look easy. But they didn't do anything spectacular. They moved, created space, made angles, and stretched us. It's not rocket science...it was very simple football, that was ingrained and second nature. I can't remember the last time I watched us going forward, and thought we played as a team. We just look like a bunch of individuals making it up as we go along. Again...the lack of movement and angles was missing. It's basic stuff. This is some of the worst football I've ever seen us play in all the years, it's that bad. Even under SoD it wasn't this bad. Link to comment
Banjo Red Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 Be interesting to see if Fam Nagy and Bentley jump ship or are sold to balance the books. Link to comment
Banjo Island Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, spudski said: The difference between us and Norwich was huge. They were an organised side that made it look easy. But they didn't do anything spectacular. They moved, created space, made angles, and stretched us. It's not rocket science...it was very simple football, that was ingrained and second nature. I can't remember the last time I watched us going forward, and thought we played as a team. We just look like a bunch of individuals making it up as we go along. Again...the lack of movement and angles was missing. It's basic stuff. This is some of the worst football I've ever seen us play in all the years, it's that bad. Even under SoD it wasn't this bad. best post of the night Link to comment
Robbored Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, spudski said: The difference between us and Norwich was huge. They were an organised side that made it look easy. But they didn't do anything spectacular. They moved, created space, made angles, and stretched us. It's not rocket science...it was very simple football, that was ingrained and second nature. I can't remember the last time I watched us going forward, and thought we played as a team. We just look like a bunch of individuals making it up as we go along. Again...the lack of movement and angles was missing. It's basic stuff. This is some of the worst football I've ever seen us play in all the years, it's that bad. Even under SoD it wasn't this bad. That’s a very harsh assessment Spudski......... You have to appreciate that Norwich are top of Championship for a reason - they’re a very decent well organised outfit who regularly snifle the opposition and that’s what happened to City tonight.We barely created a chance - thanks to the opposition. I doubt that any of us were expecting to avoid defeat at Carrow Rd for exactly those reasons, Link to comment
Rossi the Robin Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, spudski said: The difference between us and Norwich was huge. They were an organised side that made it look easy. But they didn't do anything spectacular. They moved, created space, made angles, and stretched us. It's not rocket science...it was very simple football, that was ingrained and second nature. I can't remember the last time I watched us going forward, and thought we played as a team. We just look like a bunch of individuals making it up as we go along. Again...the lack of movement and angles was missing. It's basic stuff. This is some of the worst football I've ever seen us play in all the years, it's that bad. Even under SoD it wasn't this bad. We even make the crap teams look good and well organised. We’ve been like it for a few seasons now, no real system or pattern of play We even made Wycombe look decent ffs Link to comment
IAmNick Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Robbored said: That’s a very harsh assessment Spudski......... You have to appreciate that Norwich are top of Championship for a reason - they’re a very decent well organised outfit who regularly snifle the opposition and that’s what happened to City tonight.We barely created a chance - thanks to the opposition. I doubt that any of us were expecting to avoid defeat at Carrow Rd for exactly those reasons, You can expect a bit more desire, organisation, and a game plan to at least have a chance though - lots of teams we are (supposedly) comfortably better than manage to do that to us when we play them. Why can't we do it to Norwich, even to a level where we feel competitive. I'd have accepted the defeat if I felt we did the above, personally. Link to comment
stephenkibby. Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, spudski said: The difference between us and Norwich was huge. They were an organised side that made it look easy. But they didn't do anything spectacular. They moved, created space, made angles, and stretched us. It's not rocket science...it was very simple football, that was ingrained and second nature. I can't remember the last time I watched us going forward, and thought we played as a team. We just look like a bunch of individuals making it up as we go along. Again...the lack of movement and angles was missing. It's basic stuff. This is some of the worst football I've ever seen us play in all the years, it's that bad. Even under SoD it wasn't this bad. Couldn't agree more. Even though the movement was non existent the times players had the ball in space and couldn't play a ten yard pass to someone unmarked was astounding. Have seen many unattractive sides over the years down the gate but this ranks alongside the worse. it's scary to me that the player with the most vision and passing ability is Mawson who's not even our player. Link to comment
Jerseybean Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 hour ago, wendyredredrobin said: 85 minutes and still not a shot on target 94 minutes and still not an attempt on target Link to comment
cidered abroad Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 Poor display against a side that comfortably won while not exceeding third gear. Our only plan is to go backwards when confronted by the opponents almost anywhere on the pitch. We will be safe this season but next one? Rudderless, square pegs in round holes. Some not up to playing at this level. Absolute caution instead of "having a go" and trying to upset their comfortable game. Seemed like we expect to lose so why bother. PS, some excluded from previous comments but no team will ever win any match with only four to six trying. Link to comment
spudski Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Robbored said: That’s a very harsh assessment Spudski......... You have to appreciate that Norwich are top of Championship for a reason - they’re a very decent well organised outfit who regularly snifle the opposition and that’s what happened to City tonight.We barely created a chance - thanks to the opposition. I doubt that any of us were expecting to avoid defeat at Carrow Rd for exactly those reasons, I wasn't expecting us to win Robbo. We defended and kept shape ok. When without the ball we focus on keeping shape etc. It's when we have the ball it's a problem. Norwich aren't some stand out defensive side. We look the same going forward regardless of who we play. There is no plan, no movement, no understanding, no ingrained coaching, no natural footballing angles, no movement to draw players, no urgency, no aggression, little composure...I could go on. We have no strengths going forward. It's all very opportunist. The players when going forward look like they are just going through the motions...it's apathetic...as well as pathetic. Holden's football is worse than LJs. We have been in decline football wise for the past two seasons. Our position in the league last season flattered us. We are just continuing to spiral and stagnate. Someone new needs to come in and shake things up. That's the problem...it's become too cosy. MA and JL don't want anyone undermining their ideas imo. We've got some decent players...we've got a very poor coach imo. It's becoming a joke... sarcastically he'd play 10 forwards in hope of a goal if he could. Do it once I'd laugh...do it regularly and it looks like a kid on a game... embarrassing. Link to comment
Sheltons Army Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, spudski said: I wasn't expecting us to win Robbo. We defended and kept shape ok. When without the ball we focus on keeping shape etc. It's when we have the ball it's a problem. Norwich aren't some stand out defensive side. We look the same going forward regardless of who we play. There is no plan, no movement, no understanding, no ingrained coaching, no natural footballing angles, no movement to draw players, no urgency, no aggression, little composure...I could go on. We have no strengths going forward. It's all very opportunist. The players when going forward look like they are just going through the motions...it's apathetic...as well as pathetic. Holden's football is worse than LJs. We have been in decline football wise for the past two seasons. Our position in the league last season flattered us. We are just continuing to spiral and stagnate. Someone new needs to come in and shake things up. That's the problem...it's become too cosy. MA and JL don't want anyone undermining their ideas imo. We've got some decent players...we've got a very poor coach imo. It's becoming a joke... sarcastically he'd play 10 forwards in hope of a goal if he could. Do it once I'd laugh...do it regularly and it looks like a kid on a game... embarrassing. We ‘kept shape’ like 10 training dummies , whilst Norwich cut through us at will Application , intelligence and effort Embarrassing We were actually bullied by their ‘footballers’ (And Totally And utterly outplayed) Link to comment
Garland-sweden Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 Norwich beat most of the teams in this leauge, Bristol City included. Had a hope for one point but we were far from that Link to comment
slartibartfast Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 27 pages and counting...........we only had 21 when we won well against PNE............it just goes to show (I don't know what, but something )! Link to comment
1960maaan Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, spudski said: I wasn't expecting us to win Robbo. We defended and kept shape ok. When without the ball we focus on keeping shape etc. It's when we have the ball it's a problem. Norwich aren't some stand out defensive side. We look the same going forward regardless of who we play. There is no plan, no movement, no understanding, no ingrained coaching, no natural footballing angles, no movement to draw players, no urgency, no aggression, little composure...I could go on. We have no strengths going forward. It's all very opportunist. The players when going forward look like they are just going through the motions...it's apathetic...as well as pathetic. Holden's football is worse than LJs. We have been in decline football wise for the past two seasons. Our position in the league last season flattered us. We are just continuing to spiral and stagnate. Someone new needs to come in and shake things up. That's the problem...it's become too cosy. MA and JL don't want anyone undermining their ideas imo. We've got some decent players...we've got a very poor coach imo. It's becoming a joke... sarcastically he'd play 10 forwards in hope of a goal if he could. Do it once I'd laugh...do it regularly and it looks like a kid on a game... embarrassing. I normally wait until the day after to add my rambling thoughts on a game, mostly to calm down and think or maybe look at the goals again. Tonight was a car crash waiting to happen from the minute I saw the team sheet. Against a side who's movement is brilliant, who's midfield made us look stupid last Time out and currently sit top of the table, while seemingly easily beating all before them. We send out Palmer & Adelakun in a MF role that relies on them hunting down opposition players. We set up to give some very good wide players all the room they could wish for, and why ? Well it worked against PNE ? I have defended Holden before, he has been hammered by injury and illness, but some decisions are bordering on madness. He's not getting the best out of the players we have available and not only that, he seems to have managed to make some players worse. His substitutions make LJ look like a genius. Usually reactive, usually late and usually just throw another forward at it, mainly pointless. I would also ask, what does he see in Martin to play him however he's played previously (not a reflection on tonight), and what does he see in playing our most clinical Box striker on the wing? He's not getting sacked any time soon, minimum here until the end of the year, but it feels more and more like we need a overhaul of head coach, the link to the board and the amount of say non football people have to affect the team. Again , ain't gonna happen, and I don't think I'll enjoy the ride. Link to comment
stephenkibby. Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: 27 pages and counting...........we only had 21 when we won well against PNE............it just goes to show (I don't know what, but something )! Probably shows more on here think the Titanic is sinking than those that think it's staying afloat. Link to comment
Davefevs Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 39 minutes ago, spudski said: I wasn't expecting us to win Robbo. We defended and kept shape ok. When without the ball we focus on keeping shape etc. It's when we have the ball it's a problem. Norwich aren't some stand out defensive side. We look the same going forward regardless of who we play. There is no plan, no movement, no understanding, no ingrained coaching, no natural footballing angles, no movement to draw players, no urgency, no aggression, little composure...I could go on. We have no strengths going forward. It's all very opportunist. The players when going forward look like they are just going through the motions...it's apathetic...as well as pathetic. Holden's football is worse than LJs. We have been in decline football wise for the past two seasons. Our position in the league last season flattered us. We are just continuing to spiral and stagnate. Someone new needs to come in and shake things up. That's the problem...it's become too cosy. MA and JL don't want anyone undermining their ideas imo. We've got some decent players...we've got a very poor coach imo. It's becoming a joke... sarcastically he'd play 10 forwards in hope of a goal if he could. Do it once I'd laugh...do it regularly and it looks like a kid on a game... embarrassing. It’s been cosy for too long. The upward challenge has been non-existent since Cotts. Link to comment
bexhill reds Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Blackbird1 said: Far from it . Because we really play well against physical in your face teams. I would suggest we’d need to score at least 2 goals to beat Millwall, just can’t see it. Sorry Link to comment
lenred Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 42 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: We ‘kept shape’ like 10 training dummies , whilst Norwich cut through us at will Application , intelligence and effort Embarrassing We were actually bullied by their ‘footballers’ (And Totally And utterly outplayed) Wasn’t too long ago that you were deriding people for holding views like this Shelts. Not gloating btw, just sad it’s not turning around, the football is just so poor. Can’t see how it changes either, injuries or not. Link to comment
bexhill reds Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 hour ago, spudski said: The difference between us and Norwich was huge. They were an organised side that made it look easy. But they didn't do anything spectacular. They moved, created space, made angles, and stretched us. It's not rocket science...it was very simple football, that was ingrained and second nature. I can't remember the last time I watched us going forward, and thought we played as a team. We just look like a bunch of individuals making it up as we go along. Again...the lack of movement and angles was missing. It's basic stuff. This is some of the worst football I've ever seen us play in all the years, it's that bad. Even under SoD it wasn't this bad. Post of the night as far as I’m concerned, and this from one of the more reasoned less emotive contributors. Collectively this team is a mess, and perhaps that’s all we’ll ever be, a stepping stone for youngsters to get a bit of blooding before moving on, or a comfortable wage for someone not going anywhere. An entertaining team to watch, nope not even close. Link to comment
Northern Red Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 2 hours ago, LoyalRed said: Why don’t you pull your head out if the sand Don't have a pop at me because you've been caught out. You're about as loyal to this club as Ian Holloway. Link to comment
Sheltons Army Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 33 minutes ago, lenred said: Wasn’t too long ago that you were deriding people for holding views like this Shelts. Not gloating btw, just sad it’s not turning around, the football is just so poor. Can’t see how it changes either, injuries or not. No my issue is with the personal name calling of , or agendas against some players before a ball is even kicked My comments are , and as a team , about an unacceptable performance that I’ve just witnessed Link to comment
Bassomylord Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 36 minutes ago, bexhill reds said: Post of the night as far as I’m concerned, and this from one of the more reasoned less emotive contributors. Collectively this team is a mess, and perhaps that’s all we’ll ever be, a stepping stone for youngsters to get a bit of blooding before moving on, or a comfortable wage for someone not going anywhere. An entertaining team to watch, nope not even close. It is dire to watch worst in my time following city. At least with Mcinnes it was so bad it was funny. Link to comment
lenred Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: No my issue is with the personal name calling of , or agendas against some players before a ball is even kicked My comments are , and as a team , about an unacceptable performance that I’ve just witnessed Fair enough, I thought I recalled you standing up for the poor football that’s been on show for a while now. Apologies if I got that wrong. Wasn’t a dig as I said, was just relatively surprised to see your comments that was all. Link to comment
Sheltons Army Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, lenred said: Fair enough, I thought I recalled you standing up for the poor football that’s been on show for a while now. Apologies if I got that wrong. Wasn’t a dig as I said, was just relatively surprised to see your comments that was all. I can’t recall that Len but no probs - Tonight was a car crash in just about every respect IMHO (Save somehow escaping without a embarrassing scoreline) Not only in the performance it highlighted poor recruitment again , naive management , the looming contracts crisis All off the back of the injury crisis and some noises regarding this I can suffer some poorish football if I can see what we are trying to do and it’s some pain for a step some sort of current plan going forward but I don’t I see us having lost , and losing momentum as we’ve done time and time again at this level over the years and historically that’s only ended in one thing Ill admit that tonight got to me - not losing to a decent side but all the alarm bells ringing Watching a gutless stand off performance I thought ‘ £33 million pound wage bill - what a ****** joke ‘ Link to comment
lenred Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: I can’t recall that Len but no probs - Tonight was a car crash in just about every respect IMHO (Save somehow escaping without a embarrassing scoreline) Not only in the performance it highlighted poor recruitment again , naive management , the looming contracts crisis All off the back of the injury crisis and some noises regarding this I can suffer some poorish football if I can see what we are trying to do and it’s some pain for a step some sort of current plan going forward but I don’t I see us having lost , and losing momentum as we’ve done time and time again at this level over the years and historically that’s only ended in one thing Ill admit that tonight got to me - not losing to a decent side but all the alarm bells ringing Watching a gutless stand off performance I thought ‘ £33 million pound wage bill - what a ****** joke ‘ There’s a definite feeling that things aren’t right in a few of the key areas at the moment, which is a worry. Strong leadership is needed from the very top now to try and get a grip of things over the next couple of months as I think we have safety pretty much guaranteed for this season so can look to get in a better place for 21/22. Not sure how much confidence I have in that happening as it stands but we shall see. Link to comment
richyy66 Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 This has all the signs of the Keith Millen era. Gutless and dreadful performances week after week. Link to comment
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