Lrrr Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Rolling 5 game average of xG and xG against Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sludge Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, And Its Smith said: Why would you care? Wonder why they keep appointing managers who produce dire football Possibly because their 'dire' football has resulted in 2 promotions to the Premier League (as well as reaching the play offs). Whilst our dire football doesn't seem to get the same results sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Sheltons Army said: Well you proudly announced how you will be following one who produces dire football and has yet to achieve anything in the game , and has major responsibility for our large squad of misfits if you had watched over his career McCarthy is pragmatic , give him a reasonable squad and he produces efficient winning sides Vastly experienced , including at International level , not a whiff of bull**** or bluff , knows the game inside out Somewhat if a completely different level from the one you have so much interest in As for appointing managers who produce dire football .... look a bit closer to home Just the two recent visits to Premier League and a Cup Final apoearance In recent years for them And they will get back up before we do Bizzare post Think you’ve misinterpreted my question mate. Was asking why they keep appointing managers who produce boring football, I wasn’t saying they shouldn’t be. Guess the owner thinks the defensive first approach is the best. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 44 minutes ago, sludge said: Possibly because their 'dire' football has resulted in 2 promotions to the Premier League (as well as reaching the play offs). Whilst our dire football doesn't seem to get the same results sadly. Yes guess that must be it. Owner looks for a specific type of manager and McCarthy fits the criteria. Would be interested to hear from Cardiff fans to see if they would be happy with another manager who plays negative football. Assume it would be split and there will be those who are fancy a bit more of a change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sludge Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, And Its Smith said: Yes guess that must be it. Owner looks for a specific type of manager and McCarthy fits the criteria. Would be interested to hear from Cardiff fans to see if they would be happy with another manager who plays negative football. Assume it would be split and there will be those who are fancy a bit more of a change You may be right there. However from a personal perspective (and I'm fairly sure there are other CIty fans who share my view), I just want to see us get in the Premier League before my time is up! And I don't really care how we do it. Once you've done it once it's easier to do again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 21 hours ago, Countryfile said: No I’m not. I’m voicing my opinion. I said doesn’t really want, NOT doesn’t want, if you want to reply please don’t edit my comments to suit your agenda. I'm happy to agree that you're voicing an opinion but let's not play semantics. In the context of your sentence the word really is redundant in that it doesn't change its meaning. What's the alternative interpretation as the opposite of really, does dubiously want promotion, does questionably want promotion? Either way you're still having a go at SL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Yes guess that must be it. Owner looks for a specific type of manager and McCarthy fits the criteria. Would be interested to hear from Cardiff fans to see if they would be happy with another manager who plays negative football. Assume it would be split and there will be those who are fancy a bit more of a change I suspect they're like most in that they're willing to put up with it as long as it works. As soon as it doesn't they'll quickly change their minds, as happened with Harris and Warnock before him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Think you’ve misinterpreted my question mate. Was asking why they keep appointing managers who produce boring football, I wasn’t saying they shouldn’t be. Guess the owner thinks the defensive first approach is the best. Fair enough. I wonder if it is also awareness of the players they have. I've lost track of Cardiff a little bit this season but, assuming their personnel is roughly similar to the last couple of years, a manager who imposes a rigid structure and system, soaks up pressure and uitlises pace on the flanks and power and strength up front is going to be better placed to get the best out the players than someone who wants tika taka or total football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Carey 6 said: Warnock took them up, left them in a good place financially I expect what with parachute payments. As I said earlier in the thread, and on several in the summer. I’d have liked McCarthy here, someone who’s been promoted out of this league and knows what he’s doing. McCarthy was my second choice after Hughton aswell to be fair. As you said he is a man that knows what he is doing at this level and with the budget he would have had available here i think he would have got us challenging. Would he have been too outspoken to work under the current regime at the club though? Probably would have been my guess as he does not come under the ‘yes man’ box that the board so desperately wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/speechless--cardiff-city-fans-19679466 Their fans don't seem impressed! Would we have been? Is he a nice human? Was it a thorough and robust recruitment process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 21 hours ago, Carey 6 said: Seen Mick McCarthy is being linked with it. Would’ve took him here when Johnson was sacked. BBC sport says now hes set to sign, exp of taking teams up to prem, Wolves, Sunderland. Unlike our carefully selected (over many weeks of thought) manager, who has.............no exp of anything much really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, bris red said: McCarthy was my second choice after Hughton aswell to be fair. As you said he is a man that knows what he is doing at this level and with the budget he would have had available here i think he would have got us challenging. Would he have been too outspoken to work under the current regime at the club though? Probably would have been my guess as he does not come under the ‘yes man’ box that the board so desperately wanted. Maybe Dean was the only one in "the yes man box" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ackbird Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Some Ipswich fans said they'd rather go down and get rid of Mick than endure another season of his football. Well, they got their wish, I wonder if the footballs any better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 hours ago, IAmNick said: What about the seasons before that? 3rd, 47 points, +14 GD? Sounds like backwards to me! I think people would say considering the huge increase in expenditure and the increase in the wage budget that gaining the same points total is going backwards in meaningful terms. Well, yes: we have gone backwards from that peak of late 2017 - early 2019, but that decline began under LJ. Without Reid, Webster or Brownhill, neither LJ nor Holden can keep that level going. And we didn't manage to finish 3rd. Overall, LJ averaged 12th (where we end up) and Deano is doing a little better than that at the moment. We've gone backwards from a peak but Deano has us trundling along in a middling sort of way; he didn't start the fire (of going backwards), though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Personally I’d have been very content Solid as rock , no flash , no ego or want to talk buzzwords to try and convince audiences he understands or knows the game Hes just been there and done it at this level , the top level , and internationally Rounds off a bad week IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 hours ago, And Its Smith said: Think you’ve misinterpreted my question mate. Was asking why they keep appointing managers who produce boring football, I wasn’t saying they shouldn’t be. Guess the owner thinks the defensive first approach is the best. Fair enough. I would guess that he appoints mangers that he thinks are going to be sucessful rather than get too hung up in whether they’re going to produce something artistic Success brings in crowds , and the revenue, and makes for a healthy club * And I don’t see or label MM as a ‘defensive manager’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: I would guess that he appoints mangers that he thinks are going to be sucessful rather than get too hung up in whether they’re going to produce something artistic Success brings in crowds , and the revenue, and makes for a healthy club * And I don’t see or label MM as a ‘defensive manager’ Nor me, a bit / lot direct at Rep of Ireland, but not at all clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Nor me, a bit / lot direct at Rep of Ireland, but not at all clubs. Always seen him as one who will work with what he’s got and a realist about his squads abilities and best chance of winning / succeeding (RofI being a prime example) Possibly a bit ‘old fashioned’ / British / Not trendy enough for some , but I remember his Wolves , Sunderland sides being front foot Was my first choice personally after LJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 hours ago, glos old boy said: Maybe Dean was the only one in "the yes man box" I thought that was ultimately the only question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Northern Red said: I suspect they're like most in that they're willing to put up with it as long as it works. As soon as it doesn't they'll quickly change their minds, as happened with Harris and Warnock before him. Nailed it. If you play crap football you have to finish top 6 no excuses otherwise people won’t put up with it or if they do it will be with much negativity. Put it this way, if we were in 9th place because we won 5-2 one week, 3-2 the next and then threw a game 4-2 because we can’t defend then battered a bottom of the league team and conceded a last minute equaliser because again we can’t defend it wouldn’t stop people buying season tickets. If you play football to win 1-0 and you lose games 1-0 it absolutely stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 5 hours ago, And Its Smith said: Yes guess that must be it. Owner looks for a specific type of manager and McCarthy fits the criteria. Would be interested to hear from Cardiff fans to see if they would be happy with another manager who plays negative football. Assume it would be split and there will be those who are fancy a bit more of a change McCarthy is tainted by his time at Ipswich. Give him decent players and he’ll play football don’t worry about that. Would have been a good fit for us, not popular with many fans though and the exact opposite personality that Stevie and Marky want to work with. Having said that he put up with a load of restrictions at Ipswich, got hounded out now look at the state of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 hours ago, B1ackbird said: Some Ipswich fans said they'd rather go down and get rid of Mick than endure another season of his football. Well, they got their wish, I wonder if the footballs any better... Mick wasn’t only working with his hands tied behind his back at Ipswich, they tied his bloody legs as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: McCarthy is tainted by his time at Ipswich. Give him decent players and he’ll play football don’t worry about that. Would have been a good fit for us, not popular with many fans though and the exact opposite personality that Stevie and Marky want to work with. Having said that he put up with a load of restrictions at Ipswich, got hounded out now look at the state of them. I’d have been more than happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Sheltons Army said: Always seen him as one who will work with what he’s got and a realist about his squads abilities and best chance of winning / succeeding (RofI being a prime example) Possibly a bit ‘old fashioned’ / British / Not trendy enough for some , but I remember his Wolves , Sunderland sides being front foot Was my first choice personally after LJ He was probably many people’s 3rd choice in reality behind Hughton and Cook. The Board took an eternity to decide on next to nobodies choice (and I don’t blame Dean Holden for that one iota, he was entitled to go for a job that secures his family’s future and he’s giving his best in testing circumstances whether anyone thinks that’s any good or not). It was the Owners prerogative to rubber stamp that recommendation as we are in a situation where he states it’s his dough, his club but if it all goes South from here then there are only three people who are accountable. 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I’d have been more than happy. Same, but many wouldn’t have been because in comparison to Hughton......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 5 hours ago, And Its Smith said: Yes guess that must be it. Owner looks for a specific type of manager and McCarthy fits the criteria. Would be interested to hear from Cardiff fans to see if they would be happy with another manager who plays negative football. Assume it would be split and there will be those who are fancy a bit more of a change Cardiff lads on Facebook that I know are far from happy with what I think will be a good appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Moments of Pleasure said: Well, yes: we have gone backwards from that peak of late 2017 - early 2019, but that decline began under LJ. Without Reid, Webster or Brownhill, neither LJ nor Holden can keep that level going. And we didn't manage to finish 3rd. Overall, LJ averaged 12th (where we end up) and Deano is doing a little better than that at the moment. We've gone backwards from a peak but Deano has us trundling along in a middling sort of way; he didn't start the fire (of going backwards), though. Ah ok, so if we arbitrarily start using average position rather looking at the recent trend then it's not downhill, got it! Also generally I'm not sure what you call the other side of a peak, but a common word is again, downhill. Flippancy aside I agree he didn't start the fire, but I don't think he's helping arrest it either. I think there's a bigger picture here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isawjonshaw Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 As per title. Have we missed out again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Good for them. Poor Mick, has it really come to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Wow , it’s not taken them six weeks to appoint Harris’ assistant , clearly not a full recruitment process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Oh shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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