The hand of RO'D Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 If it wasn’t for that bush twitcher, Lansdown would still have faith in expensive high profile managers. Thanks a lot Steve! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pride of the west Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 I think you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 There’s definitely some plausibility in this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Island Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Lansdown wont recruit a high profile manager because of the coppell debacle yet relentlessly pounds the tried and failed routine of appoiting from within Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Chappers Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Yet another way to say, Boo Hoo, I want a big name manager and I’m not going to give Dean and team a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Coppell is the reason he was the last "big name" manager to come aboard. High profile, would have been on good money, but when he found out about signings and goings on at the club that he didn't think was right, he pretty much said so (see the interview he gave where he wasn't happy about a few things). He didn't like or approve of involvement from higher up, of any sort, so walked. Since then we've had "up and coming" managers, or promoted from within. There is no coincidence about that. Summer gone we were being linked with, and interviewing Chris Hughton - big name, experienced, and would have cost money. Probably also wouldn't have approved from interference from other quarters, e.g. Ashton and Lansdown(s). What happened, well we all know that after 6 years of interviews (it seemed that long at the time), we promoted from within. We won't see a big name manager here, unless there is a change at the top. Happy to be proved wrong, but I just can't see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Perhaps it would be better if you said SL doesn't have faith in his own ability when choosing higher profile people? Coppell didn't even want the job...SL chased him, courted him, even though SC said he wasn't sure. SL wanted him because he wanted to replicate what Reading did. Perhaps you don't promise managers things at appointment, persuade them to join, then when in the job find things you've been promised not available. Look at SL s judgement with David James as well. Imo...SL great businessman, poor judge when appointing football people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Maybe so, but part of the problem lies with the scouting system that was in place when Gary Johnson was manager. There were several expensive (for the time) signings for City that were failures and City was left with unsustainable salary costs. SL has said that after this period he lost faith in the splashing the cash business model. The cost reduction that subsequent managers had to implement was one of the reasons that led to relegation. Unfortunately we’re now left with a mixed business model that doesn’t seem to be working. A mixture of young ish players signed with the aim of selling for a profit at a later date, who aren’t that good enough, and older players who have no resale value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Island Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 If you always do what youve always done youll always get what youve always got Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 29 minutes ago, spudski said: Coppell didn't even want the job...SL chased him, courted him, even though SC said he wasn't sure. SL wanted him because he wanted to replicate what Reading did. Coppell's success at Reading was due in no small way to his support team. Wally Downes, a former member of Wimbledon's crazy gang, led most of the training and off the pitch player contracts / transfer activity was led by Director of Football [and former pro goalkeeper who made almost 100 first team level appearances, unlike our own Mark Ashton with 0] Nicky Hammond. Coppell was not allowed to bring his backroom team with him as he had to work with Keith Millen, another "nice human" by all accounts! Nicky Hammond is now Head of Football Operations at Celtic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 It's not just Coppell, Pulis came here with a good track record and that ended in a similar fashion although he did stay a bit longer than Coppell. Also O'Driscoll had a good track record in the Championship and was OTIB's choice at the time but couldn't do the same here and Cotts didn't show the higher-ups much respect. It's like managers who've been at bigger clubs can't take us seriously, that they know better than the people running things here (perhaps they did?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassomylord Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: It's not just Coppell, Pulis came here with a good track record and that ended in a similar fashion although he did stay a bit longer than Coppell. Also O'Driscoll had a good track record in the Championship and was OTIB's choice at the time but couldn't do the same here and Cotts didn't show the higher-ups much respect. It's like managers who've been at bigger clubs can't take us seriously, that they know better than the people running things here (perhaps they did?). SOD was a spent man as his spell at Walsall showed. Came here too late when he was passed it. Coppell has history of jumping ship quickly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, Bassomylord said: SOD was a spent man as his spell at Walsall showed. Came here too late when he was passed it. Coppell has history of jumping ship quickly.... SOD came here from Forest and left them in a decent position, as I said before nearly all on here wanted him at the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Coppell's managerial career was winding up before he joined us and his heart was never really in another long term project like at Reading. He knew it was a mistake to take it and when he arrived to find the club in the situation it was behind the scenes (I've told you the gym story), with SL heavy handed in transfers (I've told you the Lee Grant/David James story), he cut his losses. Easy to say he simply walked out, reality is he didn't have the motivation to do all the work that was needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, The hand of RO'D said: If it wasn’t for that bush twitcher, Lansdown would still have faith in expensive high profile managers. Thanks a lot Steve! Or you could look at it as that's what you're very likely to get, even if you do appoint an expensive, high profile manager. The sooner fans get over the vanity of a big name appointment, the better for all of us. For example - which of the teams above us currently, have (had at the time of their appointment) a big name manager that would have received unanimous agreement from some of the self entitled cry babies on here...? On the flip side... How many high profile managers, or even ones with far more experience, currently lay beneath us in the table..? Is DH perfect..? No Is he potentially the right choice..? Possibly. Some good early signs but has doubtless been hampered by crippling injury absence. Can DH improve..? Yes, lots. And as long as he does, he's got many of the other attributes needed to be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Alessandro said: Coppell's managerial career was winding up before he joined us and his heart was never really in another long term project like at Reading. He knew it was a mistake to take Easy to say he simply walked out, reality is he didn't have the motivation to do all the work that was needed. Absolutely spot on. That’s pretty much what lay behind Coppells departure. At the time the conspiracy theories on here were truly off the wall! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, The hand of RO'D said: If it wasn’t for that bush twitcher, Lansdown would still have faith in expensive high profile managers. Thanks a lot Steve! It was Lansdown’s fault all along. Sticking his nose in and signing players like David james that coppell didn’t want . That’s why coppell walked . Don’t blame him at all . It’s all on Lansdown . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westonred Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 We will never get a big name manager whilst MA is here. A big name manager would not want MA interfering in who he can and cannot sign and MA would not be happy having someone with experience wanting to make his own decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Personally think it was all lip service regarding a big name . Had no intention of employing one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 interview with Coppell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, The hand of RO'D said: If it wasn’t for that bush twitcher, Lansdown would still have faith in expensive high profile managers. Thanks a lot Steve! I thought the rumours were that bush wasn't his thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 I started supporting City when Fred Ford was manager! And thinking about it Coppell was arguably the only manager we've appointed in those 55 years who had proven experience at a higher level. Wilson got Barnsley to the top div but came straight down. Everyone else was either starting out or came from a lower league- or from the same league but not with a record of success in that league. Ford, Dicks, Millen, Osman, Jordan, Lumsden,Tinnion, Holden,.... 1st job Benny, Houghton, McInnes ...1st English job Cotts,SOD, TC, Ward, Smith, .....same level no promotions at that level ((all except TC had promotions but at a lower level) Lee Johnson, GJ, Pulis, came from a lower level. So we've never actually gone for a high profile, higher level proven manager except for Coppell who lasted 1 game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, CodeRed said: So we've never actually gone for a high profile, higher level proven manager except for Coppell who lasted 1 game. Certainly true but....we all know that appointing an experienced and proven manger doesn’t guarantee success. All managers fail at some point. Houghton isn’t exactly setting the league alight at Forest and he was coveted my many posters in here. Fact is when any manager is appointed you can only hope that they’ll turn out to be a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jin Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Alessandro said: Coppell's managerial career was winding up before he joined us and his heart was never really in another long term project like at Reading. He knew it was a mistake to take it and when he arrived to find the club in the situation it was behind the scenes (I've told you the gym story), with SL heavy handed in transfers (I've told you the Lee Grant/David James story), he cut his losses. Easy to say he simply walked out, reality is he didn't have the motivation to do all the work that was needed. Can you share these stories please? Are you able to share a link to your posts/comments detailing these stories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 40 minutes ago, Jin said: Can you share these stories please? Are you able to share a link to your posts/comments detailing these stories? I can share them directly because they come from me! He was a member of Woodcote Park golf club in Purley and my in-laws were members so I played there often, and with him once, when I lived there for a few years. So was able to talk to him and hear the gossip. The gym anecdote he told was that he was looking to improve the clubs training facilities and asked SL for £20k for gym equipment and they came back with less than £10k for him. Secondly we needed to sign a keeper, he did all his due diligence and organised a deal for Lee Grant at Wednesday and left it with the club to finalise. Next thing he knows is the club unveiling David James (and all his conditions about not training certain days etc) without him knowing. He had his opinions about the owner and the club at that time and decided to walk, but I’ll leave it at that. As I say, his heart didn’t seem in it, at that time he had a house in Thailand too and spent half the year there. Always struck me as quite a mild man and I think he was enjoying a slower pace of life and didn’t want the cut and thrust needed to rebuild the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megansdad Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 and yet the same person appointed Pat Lam, which seems to me to counter the arguments quite effectively- could not have a more high profile manager. Think its a case of SL choosing who he thinks is best able to do the job simple as that. He has been successful with Bristol and hopefully soon will be with Bristol City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 SC was right to walk away from City imo, too much meddling from the owner, i would have done the exact same myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Although I'm no fan of Coppell his leaving had sod all to do with him and everything to do with our Chairman. If, unbelievably, there are those of you yet to cotton on to the fact its his money, his club and he demands 'yes men' to to his calling. There are two mandatory job requirements for the role at City: Accept a lower than average package; Do as the Chairman dictates. The circumstance of Coppell's departure are well documented. Many choose to forget he walked without compensation or job to go to, now that takes some principle. And for those daring to mention the name of the utter guttersnipe Lousy Pint (there isn't a more loathsome individual than he in the whole of football,) forget not he had us over a barrell in offering him employment following our illegal approach to him. Forget not the circumstance of his two major, failed High Court actions, the judges comments and even those of the LMA. Forget not his silence upon summarily being shown the door at Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 29 minutes ago, megansdad said: and yet the same person appointed Pat Lam, which seems to me to counter the arguments quite effectively- could not have a more high profile manager. Think its a case of SL choosing who he thinks is best able to do the job simple as that. He has been successful with Bristol and hopefully soon will be with Bristol City. I think you mean the same person who financed the appointment of Pat Lam, not the one who appointed him. That was largely driven by Tainton and Booy. SL knows even less about rugby than he does about football. As for Coppell being the reason SL doesn't go down a similar route, I genuinely think a trip to the Nou Camp has more to do with SL's decision-making than SC. He's gone on record about how a trip to FCB inspired the Bristol Sport model and I supsect SL thinks it's the right thing to appoint from within because FCB do it (albeit with former players who've won tropies and caps at the highest levels). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, BTRFTG said: Although I'm no fan of Coppell his leaving had sod all to do with him and everything to do with our Chairman. That is simply not true.................. Alessandro was spot on in his post earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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