Alex_BCFC Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 Clearly not good enough for the championship as would have seen a lot more from him by age of 23. Sounds like a league 2 player who might make it in league one but not the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Numero Uno said: It’s exactly what you say. We are in the midst of a ruthless cull right now. I can see most of the out of contract players gone at the end of the season. With Covid it will be about a more efficient spend of money than the previous speculative to accumulate pattern of previous years that has had very mixed results. Imo of course. Massive summer for us , and many clubs I just hope our recruitment improves on the last few years Will be a lot of spotlight on Dh & MA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: ...and maybe using our true Academy pipeline to fill the gap. Ive no idea how much compensation we paid Wrexham, but say it was £50k. What do we play our 18 year olds? I'll guess 'not a lot' in answer to both questions. His loans would have likely see the majority of his salary covered by the club he was billet at. We might have even made a few quid overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Sheltons Army said: Massive summer for us , and many clubs I just hope our recruitment improves on the last few years Will be a lot of spotlight on Dh & MA I think it’s obvious the Holden was told to use what he’s already got in the building and hence we’ve seen previously loaned players in our first team in recent weeks. Palmer, as it happens, is giving us that occasional spark that only Pato of the other members of the squad is capable of. About the same consistency level too but like it or not it does improve us to a degree. I like the look of the young lad Edward’s and would like to see more of him. Seems to have a bit of swagger which as long as it’s backed up by ability I like to see. It will be a big summer as I think DH/MA will have a fixed budget, no excuses or alterations to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 54 minutes ago, Davefevs said: What do we reckon - £50-100k, plus sell-on? Probably. We seem to sell these promising youngsters on for cheap but then stick a large sell on in just case. I'm not against it, has been "promising" for a few years, but seems to have never done enough to get a run with the squad. If he's not good enough for us now, but plays well lower down the chain, then perhaps that's his level? Good luck to him, and hopefully we'll get a chunk of money if he turns into the next (real) Bale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 This has all the hallmarks of 'preparing for a salary cap' - clear out the dead wood and find a balance between promising youth and the final years pros who just want another couple of seasons at a reasonable level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Bristol Rob said: This has all the hallmarks of 'preparing for a salary cap' - clear out the dead wood and find a balance between promising youth and the final years pros who just want another couple of seasons at a reasonable level. Yep, we are making cost saving measures. I was told I was wrong the other week when I said this would happen but Steve Lansdown will no doubt be as ruthless as the next businessman losing large sums of money not being even partially covered by income when it suits him. I think football in the EFL is in for a tough 5-10 years, I honestly do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 Profit on disposal to add to the list- shame we didn't see what he could do properly, ie a proper chance- we're not that big on wingers so on that level maybe a rationale, we sold Eliasson after all, Adelakun and Watkins out of contract in the summer- maybe this is another pointer towards less reliance on wingers moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 Good luck to the lad. Hope it works out for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 I can see it being a very quiet summer for most clubs in our division. It will be a good opportunity for some of our younger players to be given chances in the first team which would have been much harder to come buy in previous years. Hopefully one or two youngsters a la Semenyo will be able to make the step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 I do have trust in the club when they do decide to sell young players as very few have proven the decision to be wrong. I think Jonny Smith could be joining the likes of Arnold Garita, Shawn McCoulsky and Diego De Girolomo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 37 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: I'll guess 'not a lot' in answer to both questions. His loans would have likely see the majority of his salary covered by the club he was billet at. We might have even made a few quid overall. Hopefully a sell-on clause too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 There is always an alternative - it could actually be that the player made a decision ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 30 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: This has all the hallmarks of 'preparing for a salary cap' - clear out the dead wood and find a balance between promising youth and the final years pros who just want another couple of seasons at a reasonable level. 26 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Yep, we are making cost saving measures. I was told I was wrong the other week when I said this would happen but Steve Lansdown will no doubt be as ruthless as the next businessman losing large sums of money not being even partially covered by income when it suits him. I think football in the EFL is in for a tough 5-10 years, I honestly do. 20 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Profit on disposal to add to the list- shame we didn't see what he could do properly, ie a proper chance- we're not that big on wingers so on that level maybe a rationale, we sold Eliasson after all, Adelakun and Watkins out of contract in the summer- maybe this is another pointer towards less reliance on wingers moving forward. Yep...Will be very small profit on disposal....pretty much any compo we’d paid Wrexham will’ve been sunk already. 6 minutes ago, Mr X said: I do have trust in the club when they do decide to sell young players as very few have proven the decision to be wrong. I think Jonny Smith could be joining the likes of Arnold Garita, Shawn McCoulsky and Diego De Girolomo. I think he’ll do better than those 3 imho. Just now, Hxj said: There is always an alternative - it could actually be that the player made a decision ... You’re from up in Brewers country aren’t you? Any insight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 Just now, Davefevs said: Yep...Will be very small profit on disposal....pretty much any compo we’d paid Wrexham will’ve been sunk already. I think he’ll do better than those 3 imho. He already has !! By a distance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 This reminds me very much of Wes Burns’s move to Fleetwood. I think a number of us were sorry to see him go but we can see now that it was probably the right thing to let him go permanently to League 1. Don’t forget Smith is 23, same age as Vyner and O’Leary, rather than in the same age group as Edwards, for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 1 minute ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: This reminds me very much of Wes Burns’s move to Fleetwood. I think a number of us were sorry to see him go but we can see now that it was probably the right thing to let him go permanently to League 1. Don’t forget Smith is 23, same age as Vyner and O’Leary, rather than in the same age group as Edwards, for instance. Agree with you on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 Realistically, if there was a chance of him making it here he'd have been recalled instead of Adelakun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 13 minutes ago, Davefevs said: You’re from up in Brewers country aren’t you? Any insight? I am but no special insight. I just think that people sometimes forget that they are discussing a person primarily, not a financial asset. The thought of a 2 1/2 year deal at Burton could be remarkably attractive when compared to traipsing around to loan club after loan club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 No issues on this one. He was brought in under a transfer policy of ‘buy young, develop, sell at profit’. They won’t all work out. This one hasn’t. That’s fine. Probably evens on the deal overall. Compo was paid to Wrexham, they also had future clauses, the undisclosed fee likely covers the initial fee we paid. Best of luck to the lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedNachos Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 3 hours ago, WarksRobin said: Bit ironic that we've just hired a player pathway manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted January 29, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 2 hours ago, RalphMilnesLeftFoot said: wtaf Even I'm mystified at that. utterly ridiculous... Why, are you an experienced youth coach, who has developed players to first team level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 With Semenyo and the Edwards brothers emerging, there seems to be a surfeit of players who can play his kind of role. There doesn't seem to be a reason not to cash in on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 What’s his dad say? @Garycpos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 Really?! He was even described as the “next Gareth Bale” by significant people who subsequently turned out to be “fools” according to the connected ‘few’ - oh well, best of luck Jonny - you always seemed to be out on loan under LJ - he never wanted to give you a chance - go prove him wrong son ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted January 29, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 Another of those "signed for the future" that got nowhere near the first team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted January 29, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 26 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: ....He was even described as the “next Gareth Bale” by significant people who subsequently turned out to be “fools” according to the connected ‘few’ Up there with the infamous Marvin Brown statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, phantom said: Up there with the infamous Marvin Brown statement Never forget the Dominic Barclay 5 million bid from Kevin Keegan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Hxj said: I am but no special insight. I just think that people sometimes forget that they are discussing a person primarily, not a financial asset. The thought of a 2 1/2 year deal at Burton could be remarkably attractive when compared to traipsing around to loan club after loan club. Don't disagree- Kalas finally settling here is a good parallel- he was shunted off here, there and everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 10 hours ago, Davefevs said: What do we reckon - £50-100k, plus sell-on? Enough to cover Lansbury’s wages for six months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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