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I’m not one for sacking managers, I’ve always believed in consistency breeds consistency, but one question, would any other Championship club pick Holden over Johnson? Not for me they wouldn’t. I think he will keep his job for the rest of the season & we will see how we end up. But imo, this was a really good opportunity this season, as apart from Norwich, I don’t see any really dominant teams in this division. COYR 

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6 minutes ago, Simon79 said:

I’m not one for sacking managers, I’ve always believed in consistency breeds consistency, but one question, would any other Championship club pick Holden over Johnson? Not for me they wouldn’t. I think he will keep his job for the rest of the season & we will see how we end up. But imo, this was a really good opportunity this season, as apart from Norwich, I don’t see any really dominant teams in this division. COYR 

I wholly agree

...but on reflection, how many other Championship clubs would have appointed Lee Johnson?

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Holden won't get sacked this season, City won't lose heavily against Brentford midweek. He's a novice, an unproven manager, SL & MA will be seeing if he can get City safe this season ASAP, 50+pts, so 4 wins away.....

With some of the players we currently, he really shouldn't be struggling against the like of Derby, Millwall, Rotherham etc. I don't think Dean yet knows his best 11 or his best formation, and that's a legacy of watching from the sidelines with the chopping and changing with LJ.  Will he be  a good manager for us?  Who knows.

Some of the players probably took one look at the pitch today and didn't fancy it.  Seems like we're lacking leaders.  And that's where a manager really earns his corn. I've written off this season already, and as long as we don't threaten the relegation places...

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Not another single club in the championship would hire him. Not a single club in league 1 would've hired him. How he got the job is beyond me.

The football is the worst I've seen in my time here.....LJ is twice the manager he is.....I was glad he went and still am but I never ever expected that Holden was going to be his replacement.....if I had known that prior I would have had second thoughts.

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Over coached or under coached ? Or more simply, poorly coached?

Over trained  or under trained ? 

Over friendly?  No backbone?

Why do we have an owner who after now decades of telling us he wants top flight football puts up with such levels of (in)competence ?

One day we will know the whole story but for me Cotterill’s falling out with the club tells us a great deal - let alone the unprecedented quick departure of Coppell.

 

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1 hour ago, the1stknowle said:

Well they are the owner and CEO so you do want them to have a bit of control over the club. 
 

Weak backbone is just insulting. 
 

 

if your argument is about managerial selection missteps or a lack of clear philosophy when picking a manager, I can see that. But this ‘yes man’ thing is, I think, nonsense  

 

 

What a very insightful post. I haven't agreed with a comment so much in ages. 

I, like you , am not happy about how things are but some of these posts which you are reacting to are just plain silly and unrealistic.

 

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Be careful what you wish for.

In Lee Johnson we had a very bright up and coming coach. A real student of the game. Always wanting to learn.

He had a style and strategy that fitted into the owners ethos for the club.

Not everyone's choice largely due to nepotism.

He, along with his coaching staff  lost his way towards the end but a large part of that was having important players sold. 

Now we have part of that same failed coaching staff at the helm, so basically the same ideas but without the style so should we be surprised at the way the season is panning out? I'm not.

Its the same old same old. Only this time there is no pattern. There is no tactics. Having the best part of three or four shots per game only papers over the cracks. We are a shambles with this bloke as head coach.

He's lucky in a way because the Hierarchy's next player to be sold for big money looks likely to be Bentley and we have a more than capable replacement in  O'Leary. 

 

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3 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

I wouldn’t bet against it and I’m not taking the piss either.

Unfortunately you are spot on, by nature of his name Ashton is unfortunately bigger than our club, problem is I can’t see Steve and his family with the success he has had being victim to such a wolf in sheep’s clothing? Surely mr Ashton is not involved in Bristol bears, why have they done so well under a world class (and potentially) next England manager when we appoint such inexperienced and obviously not world class coaches!

Can we not please have the same world class set up as the rugby please, Mr Ashton please stand up and remove the spell you have cast on the successful landsdown family........... you are the weakest link, goodbye if necessary give Pat the job for 6 months

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53 minutes ago, Red Exile said:

I wholly agree

...but on reflection, how many other Championship clubs would have appointed Lee Johnson?

None would of, don’t get me wrong championship clubs go for league one managers a lot but not one that had just taken Barnsley on their longest ever losing streak 

 

so as usual the problem leads back to the people at the helm 

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1 hour ago, lenred said:

 

Was a joy to watch which makes this week even more annoying - thought we may have turned a corner of sorts. Guess those saying beware it’s a false dawn as it wasn’t Millwalls full team were right. 

That's football. Was it our full team ? Maybe shows we should be playing some of the younger fringe players.

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Couple of interesting quotes here from an SL interview with the post. (not recent I might add)

"First of all, we don't need anybody with Premiership experience at the moment, we've got to get there first. Although Dean (Holden) doesn't have the managerial experience, he certainly knows the Championship very well.

 Different names were thrown into the hat, some were true, some weren't but they were all well and good but they didn't bring that solidity, the honesty and that range of experience to get us where we wanted to. 

"It took an awful long time to look at the type of person we wanted, the type of set-up that we wanted. We went out and explored the market.

As long as we stay in the championship he is going nowhere.. 

 

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1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

Let’s be fair about Tuesday, we got annihilated for the last hour of that game. One of the few occasions, ever, that I wasn’t actually that bothered that we won.

I may be in a minority but for me watching football is about enjoying the game not just saying “we won so it was great”. I don’t really enjoy watching players misplace 10 yard passes with monotonous regularity or clearances being lumped up to their centre halves who have time to bring it down and go again. I don’t want to watch us on the back foot for 60 solid minutes tbh.

If the above was the exception I would take it every day of the week but it isn’t the exception, it’s the norm. Points wise we are doing alright. Performance wise the football is complete and utter shite.

Well said. Wouldn't mind losing if we played well but it's poor, defensive and clueless

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4 hours ago, dREDful said:

Don't care where we are in the table, this is the worst football I've ever seen at any level. It's a disgrace. 

He might be a nice guy, but frankly he's not got a ******* clue what he's doing. 

Thats not going to happen, would mean admitting that they made a mistake and wrong appointment 

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27 minutes ago, BigTone said:

That's football. Was it our full team ? Maybe shows we should be playing some of the younger fringe players.

A touch of hindsight I know but Onawura Edwards came on and gave us a bit of spark again today. In a game played on a peat bog where the only grass was in wide areas perish the thought that we might play a specialist wide man (or boy!!), aim to get the ball into those wide areas to him at every opportunity and go direct with early crosses..................no, the way to was go tippy-tappy up the middle of the bog apparently. Shame we don't have local journalists with sufficient football knowledge to query that point. Two crosses we slung in all game and those were our two best chances. As much as I do not blame Holden for the issues we have had this season he certainly did himself no favours today and it also leads me to ask the question.....what the hell do Downing and Simpson say when such an obvious "mistake" in the way we approached the game was so clearly unfolding in front of them? And if they didn't see it then words fail me.

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1 hour ago, Red Exile said:

I wholly agree

...but on reflection, how many other Championship clubs would have appointed Lee Johnson?

Yes, there is an argument there. But he was known to be at least a bright up & coming manager who had previously been at 2 clubs. COYR 

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9 minutes ago, Simon79 said:

Yes, there is an argument there. But he was known to be at least a bright up & coming manager who had previously been at 2 clubs. COYR 

Should also add that the difference in potential managers this time round was totally different. COYR 

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8 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

Impossible to call at the moment but we still have a lot of time left of this season. 

In reality 9-10 points probably needed at most in 20 games with Williams almost fit, O'Dowda almost fit and Lansbury coming in. Dave will get around half a dozen goals between now and the end of the season and you know that if played every week Palmer will have at least three or four games where his isolated burst of quality wins us points so I don't see this season as an issue in any way. However, something has to change next season whether it's the Manager, recruitment or both.

We have this conversation every year where people say they won't renew but then they nearly always do when push comes to shove. I will be renewing but for some I can see the way this season is panning out in terms of performances and with the added minor complication of Covid to consider being the straw that breaks the camel's back.

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We should be seeing a lot more from the squad of players currently at Ashton Gate and it's just not happening. As I've said before, a poor decision was made by the hierarchy and not for the first time better choices were passed up. I wish Dean Holden all the best, but so far, for me he's "playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order".

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7 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

In reality 9-10 points probably needed at most in 20 games with Williams almost fit, O'Dowda almost fit and Lansbury coming in. Dave will get around half a dozen goals between now and the end of the season and you know that if played every week Palmer will have at least three or four games where his isolated burst of quality wins us points so I don't see this season as an issue in any way. However, something has to change next season whether it's the Manager, recruitment or both.

We have this conversation every year where people say they won't renew but then they nearly always do when push comes to shove. I will be renewing but for some I can see the way this season is panning out in terms of performances and with the added minor complication of Covid to consider being the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Some good points, well made.

IIRC, each season since AG has been rebuilt, we have increased the number of ST holders.

If the board think this will be the case for the coming season, then I think they are in for a very big shock, for the reasons you have highlighted.

Covid has affected many people, some simply won’t be able to afford an ST anymore .

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Having a cheeky search through the bins out of the back of the training ground a few weeks back I found some notes from a talk that Deano had given on coaching, this is the most interesting section:

"I believe that my team should have a clear identity. I call this "Coaching Reflecting Attacking Performance". My teams will strive to demonstrate my CRAP plan whenever they take to the pitch. 

It goes without saying that without goals a team can't win games. To this end I ensure all of our forwards follow a strong training plan. Our "Strikers Have Individual Training" plan is reflected in the number of SHIT strikers I am able to field. 

More generally, any of my players should be able to demonstrate "Attitude, Resilience, Strength, Energy" throughout the 90 minutes. Just because a player may not have had SHIT coaching in attack it doesn't mean we as a management team can't ensure he's as ARSE as possible when he runs out on the pitch. 

In short, I hope that by having a  CRAP plan, making sure we are SHIT going forward and demonstrate ARSE performances all over the pitch will bring success to Bristol City"

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3 hours ago, Kempson said:

From my viewpoint.

 

I'm not delighted with today, I'm not excited by this season, I feel things could've been done better overall.

 

But jesus christ if today is the worst football you've seen as a city fan be happy you weren't there for mcinnes and o'Driscoll. Wasnt even that long ago.

It's not the worst football I've seen at City. 

But do not forget that this squad are costing us many times more in £'s than those available to McInnes, O'Driscoll and many other former City managers.

Terrible value for money! Seriously mismanaged.

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45 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

A touch of hindsight I know but Onawura Edwards came on and gave us a bit of spark again today. In a game played on a peat bog where the only grass was in wide areas perish the thought that we might play a specialist wide man (or boy!!), aim to get the ball into those wide areas to him at every opportunity and go direct with early crosses..................no, the way to was go tippy-tappy up the middle of the bog apparently. Shame we don't have local journalists with sufficient football knowledge to query that point. Two crosses we slung in all game and those were our two best chances. As much as I do not blame Holden for the issues we have had this season he certainly did himself no favours today and it also leads me to ask the question.....what the hell do Downing and Simpson say when such an obvious "mistake" in the way we approached the game was so clearly unfolding in front of them? And if they didn't see it then words fail me.

I was answering a comment about the Millwall game not Derby

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9 minutes ago, Midlands Robin said:

Having a cheeky search through the bins out of the back of the training ground a few weeks back I found some notes from a talk that Deano had given on coaching, this is the most interesting section:

"I believe that my team should have a clear identity. I call this "Coaching Reflecting Attacking Performance". My teams will strive to demonstrate my CRAP plan whenever they take to the pitch. 

It goes without saying that without goals a team can't win games. To this end I ensure all of our forwards follow a strong training plan. Our "Strikers Have Individual Training" plan is reflected in the number of SHIT strikers I am able to field. 

More generally, any of my players should be able to demonstrate "Attitude, Resilience, Strength, Energy" throughout the 90 minutes. Just because a player may not have had SHIT coaching in attack it doesn't mean we as a management team can't ensure he's as ARSE as possible when he runs out on the pitch. 

In short, I hope that a having a  CRAP plan, making sure we are SHIT going forward and demonstrate ARSE performances all over the pitch will bring success to Bristol City"

For Real Pan Am many years ago had Theater In The Sky!

I was so fed up after this I tweeted Jon L. Saying...Really! what was that about!

I am still behind Holden as he has not had the rub of the green with injuries, but there was no excuse for that! None!

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