Colemanballs Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 9 hours ago, mozo said: What if he got City (somehow) to an FA cup semi final? It wouldn't change the fact that he is tactically clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 It feels horribly like a rerun of the Millen era. The board reluctantly sacking a Johnson after a long spell, eventually appointing his trusty ‘nice guy’ assistant after flirting with the idea of a more established manager. At least back in 2010 we actually bit the bullet and bought one in for a few weeks! Back then we also had an unbalanced squad on big wages and a clear lack of direction. Lots of strange coincidences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 22 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: It feels horribly like a rerun of the Millen era. The board reluctantly sacking a Johnson after a long spell, eventually appointing his trusty ‘nice guy’ assistant after flirting with the idea of a more established manager. At least back in 2010 we actually bit the bullet and bought one in for a few weeks! Back then we also had an unbalanced squad on big wages and a clear lack of direction. Lots of strange coincidences. "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 25 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: It feels horribly like a rerun of the Millen era. The board reluctantly sacking a Johnson after a long spell, eventually appointing his trusty ‘nice guy’ assistant after flirting with the idea of a more established manager. At least back in 2010 we actually bit the bullet and bought one in for a few weeks! Back then we also had an unbalanced squad on big wages and a clear lack of direction. Lots of strange coincidences. It has felt like a rerun of the Millen era from the moment Holden was announced! The coincidences aren't strange though - this is precisely what we should be expecting from Lansdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 Look at the turn around in Forests results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City oz Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 13 hours ago, YGBjammy said: Absolutely. They had to do so much spin with the announcement to make it sound like he was their ideal choice when they appointed him; Ashton and Lansdown can't be seen to be wrong so quickly. I honestly think Holden will be here until the end of the season (or until 40ish games played). I just pray that Ashton is working in the background right now to identify a new manager for when Holden is shown the door. Does Ashton know though what he is looking for. Does Ashton know what a good head coach is worth. Does Ashton know that if he does get a good head coach that he needs not to micro manage the new head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, City oz said: Does Ashton know though what he is looking for. Does Ashton know what a good head coach is worth. Does Ashton know that if he does get a good head coach that he needs not to micro manage the new head coach. He is an administrator who thinks he is qualified to be Head of Recruitment, Director of Football and Chief Scout. He isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 36 minutes ago, spudski said: Look at the turn around in Forests results. Relagation contenders Derby, Rotherham and Weds seem also to be getting there acts together in last 6 games..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Red Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 I would be amazed if we sack Holden, the club will cite we are only 6pts off the play offs in an injury ravaged squad etc etc. If we do though, we will probably interview for 6 weeks and end up with Paul Simpson! With Ashton doing the interviews do you really think we will get a different 'style' of manager? www.otibclothing.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 42 minutes ago, City oz said: Does Ashton know though what he is looking for. Does Ashton know what a good head coach is worth. Does Ashton know that if he does get a good head coach that he needs not to micro manage the new head coach. Perhaps Lansdown's demands of utilising the young players that we've developed limited Ashton's head coach search to rookie punts because the experienced managers refused to be dictated to. If that were the case, Ashton isn't so much to blame for poor head coach recruitment but more for trying to sell the lie that the recruitment strategy was open minded and selection on merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Real Red said: I would be amazed if we sack Holden, the club will cite we are only 6pts off the play offs in an injury ravaged squad etc etc. If we do though, we will probably interview for 6 weeks and end up with Paul Simpson! With Ashton doing the interviews do you really think we will get a different 'style' of manager? www.otibclothing.co.uk 8 losses in 11 says he may be waking up....least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 hour ago, spudski said: Look at the turn around in Forests results. One hammering in there, but other than that, pretty impressive. Who is their gaffer these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Island Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 Watching our woefull performances week after week with very little or no improvements iam starting to look at bottom six rather than top six Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 50 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: One hammering in there, but other than that, pretty impressive. Who is their gaffer these days? Exactly... he'll have them going in the right direction, whilst we'll head south and be told in the not too distant future we're in transition again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Red Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 7 hours ago, glos old boy said: 8 losses in 11 says he may be waking up....least Yes, but Ashton will then just employ a similar manager, he wants to be in control I fear. www.otibclothing.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 19 hours ago, spudski said: Exactly... he'll have them going in the right direction, whilst we'll head south and be told in the not too distant future we're in transition again. Hughton would of done wonders with our squad IMO. I keep forgetting he wasn’t a nice enough human though was he.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, bris red said: Hughton would of done wonders with our squad IMO. I keep forgetting he wasn’t a nice enough human though was he.. More to do with fitting in with our blueprint imo. It limits who will fit. Basically blooding Academy products, buying and developing undervalued players, then selling them, mixed in with some old heads past their best. And agreeing to work with MA and his system of recruitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 22 hours ago, City oz said: Does Ashton know that if he does get a good head coach that he needs not to micro manage the new head coach. He does indeed know..only too well. That would entail relinquishment of X amount of control. A risky business! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 22 hours ago, spudski said: Look at the turn around in Forests results. Hughton is a class act. Some on here were saying "told you so" when he lost his 1st few matches in charge at Forest. And now, look at the results. Opportunity missed Lansdown & Ashton. The problem is that CH wanted his own backroom staff also I assume. Unfortunately Bristol City is a football club have a complete arse in Ashton pulling the strings. Season ticket sales will be down next season as most will just "pay as you go" including me. Pretty pissed off with it at the moment and just not missing football currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 21 hours ago, mozo said: Perhaps Lansdown's demands of utilising the young players that we've developed limited Ashton's head coach search to rookie punts because the experienced managers refused to be dictated to. If that were the case, Ashton isn't so much to blame for poor head coach recruitment but more for trying to sell the lie that the recruitment strategy was open minded and selection on merit. I don't buy that SL's remit limited us to rookie punts at all. There are plenty of candidates out there, particularly in Europe, who could've come in, brought through the kids and had us playing far better than under Holden, IMO. 33 minutes ago, spudski said: More to do with fitting in with our blueprint imo. It limits who will fit. Basically blooding Academy products, buying and developing undervalued players, then selling them, mixed in with some old heads past their best. And agreeing to work with MA and his system of recruitment. Hughton knows how to bring kids through, he ran the U21s at Spurs for years. The issue for him would've almost certainly been Ashton, specifically how and goes about recruiting players and the limited pool we seem to fish in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, GasDestroyer said: Hughton is a class act. Some on here were saying "told you so" when he lost his 1st few matches in charge at Forest. And now, look at the results. Opportunity missed Lansdown & Ashton. The problem is that CH wanted his own backroom staff also I assume. Unfortunately Bristol City is a football club have a complete arse in Ashton pulling the strings. Not really the situation though. Don't confuse the puppet with his puppet master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoyalRed Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 I think Northern Red wants Holden here for life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoyalRed Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 I have a feeling that we will end up with Simpson/Downing double act before the end of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Frenchay Red said: Not really the situation though. Don't confuse the puppet with his puppet master Don’t confuse the Strategy Planner and the Strategy Implementer. Steve was involved initially in both. I suspect now, Ashton has been largely left to get on with it and what an absolute, utter disaster he has been. It’s all a friggin nightmare. IMO Ashton has ruined our Club and is now busy finishing us off. The only decent thing we’ve got is the ground and the training facilities where, I suspect, Ashton had little control. A coincidence? We’ve let things drift. Once LJ had gone (2 years too late) it needed a ‘root and branch’. The opportunity has been lost, and we now have to watch our steady and rapidly accelerating decline. Thanks Ashton, I didn’t think any single person could be less popular than Pulis - he’s achieved that and then some. Let’s hope his beloved Oxford come in for him and quick. He can take his analysts, medics, fitness gurus, coaches, manager and CoD with him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 On 06/02/2021 at 22:47, Ska Junkie said: This is concerning In the last 2 home games, we have been outplayed, yet somehow beat the team currently at the bottom and today we were utter crap against the team that were 2nd bottom before todays games. The one before that, we limped past the 4th bottom. As for our away form, we're bottom already as we can't even win a raffle away from BS3. Crap home form and awful away form. If you go on the last 3 games overall we would be bottom ourselves. Happy bloody days eh! I thought I would get the last 10 overall, looking for something more +ve but.. We are soo shit! What bothers me the most about this is Forest, Hughton proving all those who were saying we didn't need him when Holden took over wrong. Hughton has taken a Forest team who had no confidence or direction and look at their form now. We really missed an opportunity with him and the fact that we took on Holden shows the utter lack of realisation that the coach /manager role is the most important signing that you can make if you genuinely want progression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 At least they can’t blame the fans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, spudski said: More to do with fitting in with our blueprint imo. It limits who will fit. Basically blooding Academy products, buying and developing undervalued players, then selling them, mixed in with some old heads past their best. And agreeing to work with MA and his system of recruitment. And be expected to deliver the play offs at the same time! The idea you can regularly play someone as raw as Semenyo, or Bakinson for that matter, in a top 6 side I find baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 Our transfer business showed naivety. I appreciate buying for a 352 - and Cotterill showed how that can work - but you need a plan B. A plan B for a 352 is generally a formation containing wide attacking midfielders or wingers with pace. We don’t have the personnel for that - only O’Dowda and Semenyo (who’s learning the role) fit that description. I’m not including Edwards because clearly we didn’t anticipate him being first team. Palmer or Paterson could do it I suppose but they’re primarily central players. In Cotterill’s side - we had players who could play wide if needed if a 352 wasn’t working. Freeman, Burns, Bryan, Agard even JET. I appreciate we’ve had injury problems - but we’ve hamstrung ourselves through a lack of options with our personnel. Too many central midfielders of similar type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: And be expected to deliver the play offs at the same time! The idea you can regularly play someone as raw as Semenyo, or Bakinson for that matter, in a top 6 side I find baffling. At 22/23, having served a 5+ year apprenticeship, imo a footballer (aside from a keeper) should be entering the peak phase of his career. High intensity, aggressive football demands fit, mobile athletes. If they are still ‘raw’ at 22/23 - which I wouldn’t disagree- questions need to be asked about either our youth scouting system ( didn’t we pay 500k for Bakinson?), the player development strategy or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, RedRock said: At 22/23, having served a 5+ year apprenticeship, imo a footballer (aside from a keeper) should be entering the peak phase of his career. High intensity, aggressive football demands fit, mobile athletes. If they are still ‘raw’ at 22/23 - which I wouldn’t disagree- questions need to be asked about either our youth scouting system ( didn’t we pay 500k for Bakinson?), the player development strategy or both. Not true, generally footballers peak from 27-31. By that age generally players have plenty of game experience, physicality and have grown into their ‘man strength’. A good example is Cristiano Ronaldo. He was clearly a world class player at 22/23 but had holes in his game. With game experience and a development on his S&C he’s become a complete player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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