REDOXO Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Ashton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubble Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 19 minutes ago, Davefevs said: No, that’s not correct. Here’s the structure. unfortunately as a limited company of a certain turnover it’s public domain. If my business fell into that reporting category then I’d accept what goes with it. And if I want to have an opinion on whether I think our CEO deserves £500+ in a business that has revenue of £16m, I will....and I have. Wouldn't there be a charge back from Bristol Sport Ltd to Bristol Rugby Club Ltd and Bristol City Holdings LTD (and subsidiaries) as per the rental as an example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, BigAl&Toby said: I know for sure. It’s not me You and me both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Bubble said: Wouldn't there be a charge back from Bristol Sport Ltd to Bristol Rugby Club Ltd and Bristol City Holdings LTD (and subsidiaries) as per the rental as an example? Rent is paid by BCFC and BR to AGLtd....not to BS. Common misunderstanding that BS has all the other sport’s under it. It doesn’t. However BCFC and BR will also pay BS for outsourced services like ticketing, marketing, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubble Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Rent is paid by BCFC and BR to AGLtd....not to BS. Common misunderstanding that BS has all the other sport’s under it. It doesn’t. However BCFC and BR will also pay BS for outsourced services like ticketing, marketing, etc. My reference was to outsourced services being charged back, not rent - I wasn't clear, the diagram had a charge for rent but not a charge back for services. No drama, the point i was attempting to highlight is BC Holdings cost will filter back into the football club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl&Toby Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Still not a realised gain until such time as it is realised- and if he sells to say US Investors as a few have mooted on here, that might not be good for us! You’re right. It’s not realised. But it will be. At a time of Clan Lansdown’s choosing. Whenever the time is right for him, Jon, Jon’s offspring or Jon’s offspring’s offspring it’ll be realised. That’s how it works. Assets that are acquired and the value that goes with them will eventually be realised. Land, shares, footballers or clubs. When the time is right - whenever that is and for whatever reason - they chips will be cashed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 MA makes more money than Rovers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, WarksRobin said: MA makes more money than Rovers Our matchday programme sellers make more money than Rovers even in a pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bubble said: My reference was to outsourced services being charged back, not rent - I wasn't clear, the diagram had a charge for rent but not a charge back for services. No drama, the point i was attempting to highlight is BC Holdings cost will filter back into the football club Yes, simplistic picture. As we’ve both said, Bristol Sport will charge each sporting team for providing services like ticketing, marketing, etc. Bristol City Holdings Ltd does not trade at all, it merely acts as a holding company for the two businesses beneath it. It has no income or costs of its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubble Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yes, simplistic picture. As we’ve both said, Bristol Sport will charge each sporting team for providing services like ticketing, marketing, etc. Bristol City Holdings Ltd does not trade at all, it merely acts as a holding company for the two businesses beneath it. It has no income or costs of its own. Good pass through tho - Tax efficient, and beneficial for spin off, lets not go there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yes, simplistic picture. As we’ve both said, Bristol Sport will charge each sporting team for providing services like ticketing, marketing, etc. Bristol City Holdings Ltd does not trade at all, it merely acts as a holding company for the two businesses beneath it. It has no income or costs of its own. Every company has costs even it is just that of their annual confirmation statement to Companies House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, BigTone said: Every company has costs even it is just that of their annual confirmation statement to Companies House. Very true. Mine are £13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Very true. Mine are £13. As are mine x 3 = £39 It takes me a month of selling myself for sexual favours to pay it and it isn't easy finding 78 punters I can tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, BigTone said: As are mine x 3 = £39 It takes me a month of selling myself for sexual favours to pay it and it isn't easy finding 78 punters I can tell you. How many are paying punters though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: How many are paying punters though? Ok, Ok so I have to raid the Wifes housekeeping!! Sent her out one night and she came back with £108.50. I said "who paid you the 50p ?" She replied "all of them" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, BigTone said: As are mine x 3 = £39 It takes me a month of selling myself for sexual favours to pay it and it isn't easy finding 78 punters I can tell you. Easier in France though isn`t it Tone - they`re nowhere near as choosy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Easier in France though isn`t it Tone - they`re nowhere near as choosy. They do love their stinky cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Just now, BigTone said: They do love their stinky cheese Something you have in abundance, you were always promising some to Dolly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Something you have in abundance, you were always promising some to Dolly. Dolly got her quota believe me. Last time was at the Ashton Gate 8 dinner but I've matured since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Does it really matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cidre Monita Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Still not a realised gain until such time as it is realised- and if he sells to say US Investors as a few have mooted on here, that might not be good for us! I am not sure why you feel that way, Liverpool seem to have done OK. If you look at club owners, and there are a multitude of nationalities , there is no clear perfect owner nationality. As ever in life, it is down to the person not the nationality. Having said that if Mathew Benham wanted to come in.... If Sl is selling, he will recover a large amount of his spend, and any net loss will be a tiny amount compared to the lack of UK taxes he would have paid if he was not living in the Channel Islands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Psychopomp said: I am not sure why you feel that way, Liverpool seem to have done OK. If you look at club owners, and there are a multitude of nationalities , there is no clear perfect owner nationality. As ever in life, it is down to the person not the nationality. Having said that if Mathew Benham wanted to come in.... If Sl is selling, he will recover a large amount of his spend, and any net loss will be a tiny amount compared to the lack of UK taxes he would have paid if he was not living in the Channel Islands. SL won't sell anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Psychopomp said: I am not sure why you feel that way, Liverpool seem to have done OK. If you look at club owners, and there are a multitude of nationalities , there is no clear perfect owner nationality. As ever in life, it is down to the person not the nationality. Having said that if Mathew Benham wanted to come in.... If Sl is selling, he will recover a large amount of his spend, and any net loss will be a tiny amount compared to the lack of UK taxes he would have paid if he was not living in the Channel Islands. US Investors have been pretty mixed in English football. They have a tendency to like Leveraged Buyouts, or to claw back cash- or not to spend that much- or big dividends. Hicks and Gillett were US Owners, Liverpool were heading for disaster under them! That bit is a whole different debate but on that note, £600m in Dividends vs £200m on City, as per @The Constant Rabbit a while back- something like that anyway. Dividends are 20% in Guernsey said one site? Or share sales maybe, I can't remember the exact figures but according to those figures it'd be well in his favour, factoring in Business life vs Sports Investment- or City Investment at least. Maybe I'm mixing up my finances but there is certainly zero capital gains tax there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, BigTone said: SL won't sell anytime soon. He won't be sole/majority owner of the football club by the end of this decade. In my humble opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 hours ago, Clevedon Red said: Not a huge sum paid to his pension scheme considering the salary I thought that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 hours ago, Davefevs said: His salary seems to go up very fast. I wonder if he has any direct commission on player sales or net profit that is boosting this? This feels like a lot of money for his act but that's Steve Lansdown's problem not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevedon Red Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Olé said: His salary seems to go up very fast. I wonder if he has any direct commission on player sales or net profit that is boosting this? This feels like a lot of money for his act but that's Steve Lansdown's problem not mine. Salary up, pension down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 28 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: He won't be sole/majority owner of the football club by the end of this decade. In my humble opinion. Well we have a good few years to wait then. It is only 2021 !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Olé said: His salary seems to go up very fast. I wonder if he has any direct commission on player sales or net profit that is boosting this? This feels like a lot of money for his act but that's Steve Lansdown's problem not mine. Almost certainly. Tbh if I was assisting in bringing in players like Webster for £3.5 then selling them for £20m the least I'd expect is a wee bonus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolboy_06 Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Well this is doing the rounds on social media... put up tonight apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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