BS3City Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: At least he’ll have time to top up his tan now. He was looking far too pale for my liking Bournemouth closer to the equator than Bristol, so I would imagine a decent tan without the need to relocate is certainly achievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: And he’s not the only one. At the risk of this turning into a Holden out thread, the commonality between him and Tindall is not one other club at our level or the level below would have appointed them. In the summer, DH was in the betting for one other job - Southend. Poor decision from both clubs considering other candidates @Silvio Dante I won't rule out City making a change at the end of the season with regards to the Head coach. Your views? It's a 12 month rolling contract, and MA wouldn't be drawn on extending it. With so many players OOC; it would be a good time for a new coach to come in, and reshape the team for the 21-22 season. Interesting to see that PS & KD, both signed 3 year contracts though. They're not stupid when it comes to knowing that they'll be gone in 12 months; and will want a decent payout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 minute ago, ncnsbcfc said: @Silvio Dante I won't rule out City making a change at the end of the season with regards to the Head coach. Your views? It's a 12 month rolling contract, and MA wouldn't be drawn on extending it. With so many players OOC; it would be a good time for a new coach to come in, and reshape the team for the 21-22 season. That’s the annoying thing tho, why wait until then - a new manager would get a free hit for a little while. I feel bad suggesting that we replace Holden, but someone else would do a better job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Fordy62 said: That’s the annoying thing tho, why wait until then - a new manager would get a free hit for a little while. I feel bad suggesting that we replace Holden, but someone else would do a better job. @Fordy62 I know what you mean, I want to get behind DH, but the football at the moment is pitiful; and as others have said it's lucky the team don't have live fans to get on their backs as well. The 21-22 season is absolutely key for the next 3 years, as its an opportunity to completely refocus the playing staff. If we have the wrong person in charge, then it won't be long before we're back in L1 again unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 Certainly ruthless, 22 years service as a player, coach and manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, ncnsbcfc said: @Silvio Dante I won't rule out City making a change at the end of the season with regards to the Head coach. Your views? It's a 12 month rolling contract, and MA wouldn't be drawn on extending it. With so many players OOC; it would be a good time for a new coach to come in, and reshape the team for the 21-22 season. Interesting to see that PS & KD, both signed 3 year contracts though. They're not stupid when it comes to knowing that they'll be gone in 12 months; and will want a decent payout. Well I did say this wouldn’t be a Holden out thread but as you asked...! I think you’re probably right in your reading. SL/MA don’t pull the trigger quickly in normal circumstances, and they won’t while the playoffs are attainable (which was minimum target). It’s a technicality for me that they’re attainable as they are mathematically but I would challenge anyone to say that they expect us to do it based on how we’re playing. Add in here the Covid factor - we don’t know when fans are back, to what extent and how many will be able to financially. I do think it would be quite toxic if fans were there so DH is benefitting, but I also have sympathy for the theory that games seem more boring with no atmosphere! Summary: Yeah, end of season I think he’s gone barring a miracle. The injury excuses are gone, he’s been backed in the market and he’s had a year to stamp an identity in the team - while theoretically knowing what needed to improve. If we’re not in the playoffs or very close to and still playing in the same style, I don’t see a way back. The kicker will be season ticket sales. The club will anticipate a reduction due to Covid finances/concerns, but it’s how far below that bar they fall. I’ll be renewing regardless, but I would think many won’t and that will be the feedback they act on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ackbird Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 Just now, Spoons said: Certainly ruthless, 22 years service as a player, coach and manager. This league's unforgiving mate, you know that.. Deno gets a pass this year because of the injury's (unless we sink like a stone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 Jack Wilshire working his magic again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Well I did say this wouldn’t be a Holden out thread but as you asked...! I think you’re probably right in your reading. SL/MA don’t pull the trigger quickly in normal circumstances, and they won’t while the playoffs are attainable (which was minimum target). It’s a technicality for me that they’re attainable as they are mathematically but I would challenge anyone to say that they expect us to do it based on how we’re playing. Add in here the Covid factor - we don’t know when fans are back, to what extent and how many will be able to financially. I do think it would be quite toxic if fans were there so DH is benefitting, but I also have sympathy for the theory that games seem more boring with no atmosphere! Summary: Yeah, end of season I think he’s gone barring a miracle. The injury excuses are gone, he’s been backed in the market and he’s had a year to stamp an identity in the team - while theoretically knowing what needed to improve. If we’re not in the playoffs or very close to and still playing in the same style, I don’t see a way back. The kicker will be season ticket sales. The club will anticipate a reduction due to Covid finances/concerns, but it’s how far below that bar they fall. I’ll be renewing regardless, but I would think many won’t and that will be the feedback they act on I don't see any point DH leaving now as you say. We are, where we are this season. The championship is generally very poor, and potentially yet again it's a missed opportunity to get into the playoffs. I'm sure however that there are a lot of clubs that feel the same. The bizarre things about the whole appointment was the two England coaches coming in to support him. Collectively their wages, must be on a par; if not larger than DHs. It's also a bit of an acknowledgement that the new coach is inexperienced, and needs help. Just like in normal life, no-one knows what's going to happen after all the government support for businesses end. I'm just lucky that i'm in the same business as @Fordy62; and my wife's a Uni lecturer. So both public sector thankfully. With regards to the salary cap. They still haven't explained what's going to happen with the clubs coming down from the PL. If existing contracts from their time in the PL are excluded; then the disparity in squad wages will be even more acute. I'm guessing that, on that basis; MA will struggle to sell the concept to a number of clubs. Who will feel that arguably the most unequal financially competition in world football will become even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red panda Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 The stakes are much higher in Bournemouth's case. They've kept many of their players for the moment, but how many of them are going to hang around for another season of Championship football if they don't go up this year, especially if the external environment improves and the summer transfer window is more normal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Red Army 75 said: Paul Cook IMO could do a decent job at Bournemouth Paul Cook could do a decent job at a lot of clubs, but his image might not be right for Bournemouth. I imagine they'll go for someone a bit more exotic. He course, of course, change his name to Paulo Cookazoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley_Smith10 Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 minute ago, pongo88 said: Paul Cook could do a decent job at a lot of clubs, but his image might not be right for Bournemouth. I imagine they'll go for someone a bit more exotic. He course, of course, change his name to Paulo Cookazoo Paul cook would be class here, would never happen under lansdown tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 If they don't go straight back up they are in trouble, This is a panic sacking as they think they should be romping it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, nellie said: I don't think so they have worked out he isn't the man to take them up and acted quickly Perhaps Lansdown should be reading this, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Redandproud said: Perhaps Lansdown should be reading this, Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 Just now, frenchred said: Why? Open your eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said: And he’s not the only one. At the risk of this turning into a Holden out thread, the commonality between him and Tindall is not one other club at our level or the level below would have appointed them. In the summer, DH was in the betting for one other job - Southend. Poor decision from both clubs considering other candidates Commonality. Good word. Had to google it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said: Commonality. Good word. Had to google it though. I’m in home schooling mode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 23 minutes ago, pongo88 said: Paul Cook could do a decent job at a lot of clubs, but his image might not be right for Bournemouth. I imagine they'll go for someone a bit more exotic. He course, of course, change his name to Paulo Cookazoo I don't think Bournemouth has ever had a foreign manager before, aside from Sean O'Driscoll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 It does seem that a bad run these days ends in a sacking....well unless you are at Bristol City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbird1 Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: Fair play to Bournemouth for giving a chance to the number two from a failed season and equally acting quickly to try to resolve the problem of a stuttering campaign. Will it work ? No one can tell but it is a brave move and sends out a statement of intent from the club. Or just another basket case of a club destined for the lower leagues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 3, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 Interesting comments on talksport this morning Wrong to appoint from within Would have been same voice as previous manager Owner pushed appointment from within Poor recruitment over past 12 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, WarksRobin said: A reprieve for Eddie Howe? My thoughts also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said: Not glamorous enough for them. I wonder whether he wasn’t ‘glamorous’ enough for us.. in that he wanted to do things his own way. Think he’d have been an excellent choice for us. Can 100% see that. True. Do you think we should apply the same logic if/when Playoffs look unlikely? Why would they want a glamorous manager? What the **** is glamorous about Bournemouth? The town is bang average and its other part Boscombe is a dump. The ground is pretty ordinary, like the park it sits in. The club found some new money and had a little success but they have no given right for that to continue. Eddie Howe, their most successful manager in recent history, could hardly be described as glamorous either. If they have any sense a manager like Cook is exactly who they should appoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 31 minutes ago, Selred said: I don't think Bournemouth has ever had a foreign manager before, aside from Sean O'Driscoll? Antonio Pulisio ? He was Welsh after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 58 minutes ago, Monkeh said: If they don't go straight back up they are in trouble, This is a panic sacking as they think they should be romping it Definitely should be top 2 at least with that squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, ncnsbcfc said: It's a 12 month rolling contract, and MA wouldn't be drawn on extending it. A 12 month rolling contract means that there is always twelve months of work ahead . The advantage for the club is that in the event of a rupture there would only be twelve months compensation due ( as I understand it ) . For the coach , he has perpetually a year’s job security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: A 12 month rolling contract means that there is always twelve months of work ahead . The advantage for the club is that in the event of a rupture there would only be twelve months compensation due ( as I understand it ) . For the coach , he has perpetually a year’s job security. No it doesn’t I think it was @Davefevs that posted an explanation from a specialist lawyer on here re rolling contracts He explains that there will be a set date , by which both parties have to state their intentions (To renew or not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPAZZA Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 If I remember rightly Bournemouth are on the hook for £80m in unpaid transfers fees as they splayed the cash in the 19/20 season to stay up, it failed and the equal instalments mean the parachute money is completely taken up whilst they did (last year) have a £109m Wage Bill. Ergo; if they don’t go up this year they are royally ******. I see you’ve still got your No.2 in charge, it’s all very much the same, as you all know my best mate is a City fan and for years we’ve both been saying decent manager = decent chance. There is really no point spending money on players if you have a poor manager, those players by themselves will not be enough to get you up so it doesn’t make sense. When you think that as a club you’ve sold more than you’ve bought (probably because Lansdown can’t be arsed to continue funding the football side of sport Bristol) it makes no sense you’d be happy to spend £8m on a Kalas or £7m on a Massengo and have no one decent to coach them? It confuses me, he made his money in investment, so why can’t he see the BIGGEST investment should be in the manager, no point having fast cars if you’ve got no one who knows how to drive them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 3, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: No it doesn’t I think it was @Davefevs that posted an explanation from a specialist lawyer on here re rolling contracts He explains that there will be a set date , by which both parties have to state their intentions (To renew or not) I stand to be corrected but I always believed a rolling 12 month contract basically meant it was an open ended contract, but if the Manager is to be let go they have a 12 month period to be paid off. The whole point of it being "rolling" is that there are no fixed dates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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